Not that I would favour a change of rule on this matter, but brainstorming on ideas around it is fine, and the outcome will likely be one of those let’s agree to disagree ones.
By principle, any change on the rule should give everyone equal chances, and having to escrow 0,5 BTC (or whatever relatively high value to many) to have a proper appeal, is creating a justice that is segmented by class from the start (no different to real life, buy I don’t think it should be a starter).
Whatever system may be devised cannot be one that takes up bags of time from mods/admins, so a thorough search for the plagiarism ratio of a given user should not be down to a semi-manual search. That could in any case be on the table if there were to be a back-end admin tool to perform such a task, but until there is some high degree of automatism to the process, the required time is better served on moderating tasks.
@ETFbitcoin though seem like a sensible set of criteria to make exceptions for those that are net positive. Ok justice on different levels again, but the underlying principle is that the postulant is a clear net positive, has been so for some time, and that resources to look into the case are spread over, and not concentrated solely on admins/mods.
A couple of things could be added in general terms:
- Just as in real life crimes prescribe after a certain period of time, there could be a limiting timeframe to allow for personal redemption and change of ways (i.e. plagiarism rule infraction limited to last 2 years).
- A bit wild, but one could accept being deranked a couple of levels as part of the penalty (for the top ranks only).
I agree with a lot of your points
However if we make it too small of an amount then it kind of lowers the risk reward ratio. I mean say if they only had to pay 0.05 then it is not much risk for them to put us through the trouble of scanning the history looking for more so they will still all appeal...and I don't think would inspire many people to try and find additional copy and pastes. I guess we could make legends pay more than noobs because they have larger post histories to scan so it is more time consuming to locate additional infractions? also legend should have more money? not essentially true either i guess so perhaps just cut it back to 0.25 if people think 0.5btc is too much. I mean remember if not guilty of more they get it all back.
Also legends are going to be getting something more the other way with the 1.1000 rule so it is swings and roundabouts.
Also the finding of extra infractions is a rewards structure for anyone or first to find enough for perm ban exceed 1.1000
I think merit reduction as suchmoon said could be good but people know my opinion on merit and noobs have none anyway. I guess it could work since very high merit earners (although may not be the best posters on this board) but they are probably very unlikely to be copy and pasters so perhaps the merit reduction could work because that would reduce rank usually anyway.
I mean if it was possible to disable sigs in the console of the forum this would be great at some point and could easily become part of the punishment then without messing with merit nor rank because they cant join sigs whatever then for 1 year.
@ etf i like those ideas too but I think a list of strict criteria is better than a group who decides without a list of criteria to match against.
Cutting down appeals from the real spammers who know they are spammers is key because that cuts away most of the waste of time.
If you get only 1 or 2 appeals a week or less from REAL good posters who know okay I have messed up or been lazy or done something someone didnt give a toss about years ago but It will easily be evident i am net positive under close scrutiny.... you have almost already solved the issue. Well you still need to detect