Topic: Let's help everyone to get merit! - page 2. (Read 645 times)

You are being painfully ignorant. Please, stop trying to change the definition of Plagiarism. Clearly you do not understand plagiarism, so I'll lay it out for you. Plagiarism is the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. That is copying and presenting it elsewhere. There is no other word, because the word is plagiarism.


Nope, that is not what I mean.

Copying anything and passing it off as your own work (plagiarism) is unacceptable in all of it's forms on this forum.

That child board is not full of plagiarism, the Press board is full of links, references and sourced material.

I can differentiate between copying and plagiarism, however it doesn't seem that you can do the same. Plagiarism attempts to claim the work is your own and does not give credit to the original source. Plagiarism is a bannable offense, while sourcing information is perfectly acceptable.


You're wrong, you don't need to keep repeating yourself hoping that it sounds more correct the third time it comes out of your mind. The situation you describe is not correct and it isn't reality. I casually go about my business, without even considering merit for a second and it has come in due time. I do not write technical stuff or copy anything from wikipedia, therefore you're just wrong. I do exactly what you say will never result in merit, yet I am currently one of the merited users on the forum.


You don't believe that complex ideas can be put into your own words?
Everyone has their own personality. If I asked you "How do I sign a message from a Bitcoin address?", there are literally thousands of correct ways to answer this question. You do not need the answer to come verbatim, and if you do feel that you need to copy it verbatim there is a simple solution: Link your source and do not pass it off as your own work. You continue to claim I don't know the difference between plagiarism and "copying", but here you are demonstrating that this is exactly the case for you.

Helpful and on-topic. There is no rocket-science in this. You don't need to know a formula to become worthy of Merits, but your posts should contain something that should be helpful for the community, or an individual.


Correct grammar, meaningful words, logical sentences, a good construction. Overall, it should deliver some information that has not already been delivered.


There are no specific words someone needs to include in a post to make it meritorious or constructive. The words depend on the situation and content you are talking about.

So, bitcointalk is not for poor English knowledge people? not for non English speaking members? As English is not my mother language i can not write quality content but i can express my ideas. I can manage to express what i have try to express with my poor English.

I am also a beginner, it is very difficult to get rewarded in every post that I make, it is very difficult to make a very high quality post so someone give me reward, what should i do to make writing look quality, please help me.

I did not ask him to write technical stuff and copy a lot from wikipedia, I was describing situation in which if he casually just think that merit will come in due time, then he would be wrong with that mindset, only those who write highly technical stuff and copy stuff a lot from wikipedia can hope that their post will get merit in due time, from my observation some of those people copy a lot from somewhere else, probably to keep their writing from misinterpreted maybe, some of highly technical stuff you just cannot make too many changes to it, it is what it is, you better just copy it in verbatim, if satoshi write something and 100 people cannot copy the same sentence he write and must write their own sentence then there would be 100 different saying carrying 100 different interpretation. That happen a lot in technical writing, in highly empirical writing, highly precise language needed to describe it, sometime you better just copy it, in other word quote it

if plagiarism here takes another meaning then don't use the word plagiarism, use another word or just simply describe the action that you do not want committed here, that is how justice be uphold. If you put word which universally recognize as such and then want another interpretation of it that is not fair to everyone.

It is not plagiarizing wikipedia that is not acceptable here it is spamming with content copied from other places that is not wanted here, and I certainly did not tell him to spam this forum as much as he can, how would anyone plagiarizing wikipedia text content when they already waived their right to the text they publish on their website, it is like accusing canonical breaking the copyright of linux kernel code when the creator already gave permission to anyone to copy it and distribute it as they like as long as the publish their modification.

Just check this child board here Press almost all of the topics is copied from somewhere else, how is that fits into your own interpretation of totally no plagiarized content allowed here. Copying something from wikipedia and posting there would be not acceptable but copying something from coindesk is allowed is that what you mean.

You can't even differentiate between copying and plagiarizing how would you know which one is ok and which one is not ok.

I don't understand why my experience is irrelevant. My experience is no different from anybody else; I do not have any helping hands or long-term friends that are helping me out. Why is my experience something you discredit, and yet think your own experience matters?

You said that they should specifically focus on merit when you said -

My disagreement is with your initial statement :
You said nothing about one-liners in that post. Honestly, there might just be a miscommunication here and there may be more agreement that we are making it appear. I'm just trying to point out blatant flaws in your premises and conclusions as they have been presented, because this is how you improve yourself and everything around you. I did the same with Milkz, and now their thread has caught fire and the attention of staff/DT members in a phenomenal way.


I am speaking about the statistics and the publicly available record of every merit transaction that there is. From what I've inferred from the data suggests that a very small minority of users are abusing the merit system with their friends or accomplices. The rest of us are just out here using it as it was originally intended; far from the way you describe it. Your individual observations are not the reality, they are an anecdote, a drop in the bucket. While it may be anecdotally significant, it is statistically irrelevant when we consider what is really going on.

My observation does not differ from what you said -
My contention is that this is irrelevant, because once you read a post you technically "know" them. To know someone simply means to be aware of them. How is it a problem for people to merit people they are aware of or know? There would seem no other possibility, unless it was being randomly handed out blindly.

Do you define "knowing someone" as different from that?


Yes, you did advocate for copying from wikipedia, and that's exactly what you said originally. At least, you claimed this to be the only way to get merit.


You're right though, you didn't say they should just copy and paste. You suggested that he become a BTC guru through the technical knowledge of wikipedia. You suggested a dichotomy in which the option are, you can either be a technical Bitcoin guru of wikipedia or make friends that distribute merit and become a task-rabbit of the merit system.


It feels weird to continue referring you to what you said. It feels like you aren't keeping a consistent train of thought. These statements are indefensibly thoughtless and I hope you realize this, or do not actually believe these things.


I have no idea what you're talking about.
You should see the bewildered look on my face, from what you're saying. If that was your attempt at an analogy... Ouch.

If you kill someone, there are only two options, you have either committed homicide or you have been involved in a legally justifiable homicide. One of these carries legal action against a criminal, the other does not, but both of them are homicide and both resulted in the death of an individual. One of these we are okay with, while the other we are not, generally speaking.

Plagiarism from wikipedia is not acceptable on this forum, therefore it fits in the place of the homicide in this analogy. Plagiarism from wikipedia elsewhere may be acceptable and therefore, justified homicide (plagiarism). You following me? Plagiarism is homicide, the location/medium is the circumstances/environment and the original author is the cold-body on the floor. Whether it is justified or not depends upon the location, circumstances surrounding the dead body and the identity of that person.


You ask way too many questions that have nothing to do with what we are discussing in an attempt to take us off topic for no apparent reason. Please refrain from doing this, as it just makes it more difficult when we're trying to reach a mutual understanding; or at least that's what I'm attempting to do. You seem you be trying to "win" or antagonize, when the only win to be had is for you to become more informed about how things really work.

"I don't understand, you are upset because I speak English well? " How you come up with this I don't have idea.
Again you are describing your experience here which does not apply to other people experience with merit system. Did I say that he should be obsess with Merit, I stated that there is criteria to receive merit and simply just posting 1-2 liners will not do.

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Read this thread and tell me if it is not giving merit to his friends, you are talking about your ideals but that is not the reality happening here, from my observation most of people giving merit to those they know or like, if your observation is different thats yours

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Did I advocate copy & pasting from wikipedia or I am just stating what is happening or I am just giving example of how some people get Merit from their posting, I don't even say he should just copy & paste there

Do you even know what plagiarizing is? how would you uphold justice when you run rules that can be bent & misinterpreted here and there as you like.
Next you should go to police station to report BTCtalk for stealing money from their consenting donator by means of asking donation, and look at the police officer bewildered face at what you are saying

Did I not give him a link for him to check and try to follow?

Begging for merit is not allowed and there will be proper punishment to every member who beg and abuses the merit system. Just follow the rules ,make high quality post in order to get some merits to other members.

Hello everyone, but get merit it's really difficult;) When I understood with a rank, I saw that a full member would receive an automatic merit or not?

Rank is irrelevant to merit in a very large way. Lower ranking members have received the majority of merit that has been distributed. I don't understand, you are upset because I speak English well? I write English, like somebody that puts thought and care into their writing. I would not receive merit if I only put a comma, in your words; that's another idiotic statement that you've made, without proof, that shows how naive and defeated you are about the whole merit system. You do not get flamed for opening topics, unless they break the rules. The entire picture you paint of this forum is half-baked, uninformed, unfortunate and childish in every way. I personally do not obsess over merits and they have come, so what is your point? Merit ends up in the hands of those that warrant merit, not in the hands of those that beg for it or obsess over it. Please point me to a single user that is begging or obsessing over merit, and doing so successfully. If you cannot do this, then you have no point, yet again.

Why would anyone merit me for posting a comma? You are talking out of your ass.

Copper membership is free for higher ranking members, because it doesn't add any functionality; it is simply a useless usergroup for me.


I can see you are uninformed and ignorant in multiple areas. Wikipedia allowing people to freely distribute it's information does not circumvent the rules of this forum. You will still be banned for plagiarism, I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about that. What the source of the information says in terms of their information is irrelevant to the rules of the forum. It is plagiarism and plagiarism/copy+paste is against the rules, therefore justifiable plagiarism is still ban-worthy.

It is cute that you are attempting to get all technical, and find a way to justify the nonsense you are spouting, rather than acknowledging that what you have said is uninformed, not helpful and whiny.

If another website says "Go ahead and copy our material", do you think this prevents you from being banned for copying their material on a website such as this? A website that is actively attempting to cut down on the type of spam you are advocating for.


Every one of the conclusions were wrong, and I've already explained why with supporting evidence. I don't even remember your name or what we have disagreed on in the past, so that has nothing to do with anything. The fact that you remember something insignificant and think that has anything to do with our present conversation is baffling to me. You have refuted none of my points, have defended none of yours and have only served to make yourself look more foolish and ignorant than you already did. Please, quit while you're ahead, because you're not making sense, you're not making salient points and you should realize you are defending a losing argument. The merit system is much more nuanced, useful and complex than your cynical and derivative explanation of it has to offer.

*Yawn*
Let me just ask you something to be clear, do you think copying/plagiarizing from Wikipedia is against the rules/guidelines of the forum we're on?
Can you acknowledge that merit has been distributed outside of the close-minded criteria you originally laid out?

Looks like the merit topic is dominating this forum, everywhere I go there's posts about Merit.  I guess Merits are the new currencies in BCT.

There is no such thing as negative merit. Please let me know if I've just missed a joke that's gone over my head, because when I see someone that is uninformed to common knowledge I seek to show them where to find this information.

Please read up on the official announcement thread started by theymos; it goes into great detail. Almost every question you can think to ask regarding the merit system has been asked and answered within that thread. You can only send sMerit, you cannot take, remove, delete or send negative merit to someone in any way.

I'm also confused with why you are rolling your eyes after you talk about sharing/contributing to the community is the best track for receiving merit. Almost as though you are sarcastic about that being the correct path, while being ignorant about the simple foundational aspects of the merit system.

Either I am sorely mistaken and a joke has gone leagues above my head, or you need to do some more reading to educate yourself before making condescending remarks.

You have Hero Member and Copper Member under your username and can write in English like slurping coke, even if you put a comma on the posting area people will give you Merit for it, don't compare yourself with lower rank members who open a topic and immediately would be flamed and accuse of trying to rank up to make money from signature campaign, if you read and look at the user I am responding to that say "I personally do not obsess over Merits as I believe they'll come in due time." clearly what he say have not resulted in any Merit for him so far. Thats what I am trying to emphasis to him. hoping that way will not resulted in Merit, he mostly reply with 1-2 lines at Alternative Cryptocurrencies, do you think he will write any technical guide or helping other with technical difficulties with that kind of background.

By the way have you read this from Wikipedia:Copyright violations
which I quote the first paragraph here:

One of the most important aspects of Wikipedia is that its text (not media; but that will be discussed shortly) may be freely redistributed, reused and built upon by anyone, under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License (CC BY-SA) and, except where otherwise noted, the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). Contributors agree to release their original content under both licenses when they submit it, and material from public domain sources or other compatibly licensed sources may also be used in accordance with the copyright policy, provided correct attribution is given.

Which one of my conclusion about Merit is wrong ? is that even thoughtful finding on your part or you just want to argue because I have argued against your opinion in the past.

Just make sure you do not get negative merit for begging for it. Otherwise just carry on with what you do best and share with the community. Thats the right track imo.

I will be very glad if I get a merit
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.33530151

I disagree with everything you just said. That is a pretty thoughtless analysis of the merit system. There are plenty of instances of merit being distributed in exactly the way you say it is not. I am not a BTC guru, writing technical responses; by the way, highly technical responses do not come from wikipedia, for future reference. If you're copying from anywhere, this is plagiarism and will not get you any merits, but it will get you a ban. I have received quite a few merits outside of the parameters you have laid out within your post here. I have seen countless Jr. Member's contributing very significantly in technical discussions and answering difficult technical questions that I have no clue about. You have the merit system very wrong, and I am unsure why you believe these conclusions to be true. There are users that get merit for "telling it like it is", calling out scams, creativity, humor, quality products, services, altruism, the list goes on and on.

Frankly you won't get Merit unless you have friend here, or you try hard and look around finding anyone who reward merit for some small task, just posting and hoping you will get Merit will not do unless you are BTC guru and write some highly technical stuff and copy from wikipedia a lot then only you may get Merit, other than that almost zero chance you will get Merit, since you are just Jr. Member here then there is no chance you can write highly technical stuff.

As it say your post must be of quality post, constructive or helpful which is very subjective making it almost impossible to achieve without purposely aiming for it. Just like exam, most likely you won't pass unless you study hard and try to put effort fulfilling the requirement of the required answer or assignment.

So try do some research and post quality reply and if your post doesn't get any Merit just don't give up try again. This post received some Merit just for simple guide making text with link clickable on this forum so try check this one

The way the questions are worded tells me a little something about your intent and I cannot say it is something I am interested in entertaining. You're asking which words to include into your posts in order to accumulate merit; that is one of the single strangest questions I have seen so far regarding merit. I suggest you become genuinely more concerned about contributing to or benefiting the community in anyway than you are in receiving merit. Once you have accomplished this you will be in a much better position to warrant a positive reputation, merit points and all o' dat clout. 

I'll go through these questions directly, quickly.

Posts worthy of reward would be a post that is something along the lines of being any one or a combination of informative, beneficial to the community, or entertaining to an extensive degree. That's the best way I can think to word it, right now. It should consist of the aforementioned qualities. There has been thousands of posts from members of all backgrounds and ranks giving their opinion on what constitutes a merit-worthy post. You should use the search function, as it will give you exponentially more information that staying confined to your own thread.

There are no magic words.

Hi. You don't need merit to become Jr.Member but for getting the next rank of course you need it. You can read about ranks in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-read-before-posting-1689727