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Quote from: Foxpup on September 23, 2015, 09:04:00 PM

Quote from: XMRpromotions on September 23, 2015, 08:46:53 PM

I can confirm that Nxb5 will lose the knight for one pawn (along with the game).

No, no, no. You're not "thinking ahead". 16. Nxb5 axb5 is a cunning sacrifice to allow 17. a6 Bxa6 18. Rxa6 Qxa6. Losing the rook and knight for a bishop is a good idea because it "leaves the queen exposed on her own". Roll Eyes

Timelord2067 is either a troll or doesn't know actually how to play chess.

The good news is that we don't need to worry about this unless enough lots of new people show up to add voting support for these types of moves.

For now I will assume everyone is trying their best with some of us being more experienced than others. One of the benefits of this thread is to help new people learn how to play chess or improve their skills. OP may want to convince more chess players to support bitcoin but (almost) everyone here already supports bitcoin. Many people on bitcointalk either don't know how to play chess or are very inexperienced.

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Quote from: XMRpromotions on September 23, 2015, 08:46:53 PM

I can confirm that Nxb5 will lose the knight for one pawn (along with the game).

No, no, no. You're not "thinking ahead". 16. Nxb5 axb5 is a cunning sacrifice to allow 17. a6 Bxa6 18. Rxa6 Qxa6. Losing the rook and knight for a bishop is a good idea because it "leaves the queen exposed on her own". Roll Eyes

Timelord2067 is either a troll or doesn't know actually how to play chess.

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Quote from: XMRpromotions on September 23, 2015, 08:46:53 PM

I will also vote for b3. I disagree that it will stop "c4" because black can still play it but I still think it is a good option.

I can confirm that Nxb5 will lose the knight for one pawn (along with the game).

So far I see 1 vote for Nxb5 1 vote for Ng5, 1 vote for Nd2 and one vote for e5 and everyone else prefers 16.b3 or 16.h3.

It may be easier to find a consensus if everyone focused on the top two options presented so far and chose between those.

Not so much in stopping the move c4, but rather to stop the passed pawn chain on a6 and b5.
That is VERY dangerous later on in the game and is nearly winning for black if we trade off all pieces

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Quote from: actmyname on September 23, 2015, 08:07:35 PM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

Do try to keep up.

...and don't be so condescending.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:33:16 PM

Seriously? One whole square?

Follow your own advice, please.
b3 is fine for a move - it prevents c4 from being played. I'm not quite sure why you would want to play b5 as it just loses the pawn and forces you to give up your knight

I will also vote for b3. I disagree that it will "stop" c4 because black can still play it but I still think it is a good option.

I can confirm that Nxb5 will lose the knight for one pawn (along with the game).

So far I see 1 vote for Nxb5, 1 vote for Ng5, 1 vote for Nd2 and one vote for e5 and everyone else prefers 16.b3 or 16.h3.

I have seen all of the above moves discussed with the exception of Nd2. If the point of Nd2 is to help defend against c4 I will ask why you prefer to it b3? In some situations the knight may like to move to e5 instead (a few moves down the road). I can see how it provides extra defense for our e4 pawn (which may become important if our d3 pawn is traded soon) but Nd2 looks very passive to me.

It may be easier to find a consensus if everyone focused on the top two options (b3 and h3) voted on so far and chose between them.

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Quote from: Foxpup on September 23, 2015, 06:51:43 PM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

Next move is pawn to a6 threatening both the Bishop and the Queen.

The bishop will just take the pawn. The rook can't recapture because then the queen will take it.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

...and don't be so condescending.

No can do. This is the second time in the row you've voted for a move that loses material on the spot (third if you count a6).

Oh dear, you're counting backwards...

anyways, on to answer you...

Three pieces take three pieces, leaving the Queen exposed on her own with the nearest black pieces on the c column.

Quote from: Foxpup on September 23, 2015, 07:58:32 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 07:39:52 AM

Knight takes pawn on b5 thank you.

Then pawn takes knight on b5. Please try to think at least one move ahead.

I was; you just couldn't see the three moves ahead.

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Quote from: actmyname on September 23, 2015, 08:07:35 PM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

Do try to keep up.

...and don't be so condescending.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:33:16 PM

Seriously? One whole square?

Follow your own advice, please.
b3 is fine for a move - it prevents c4 from being played. I'm not quite sure why you would want to play b5 as it just loses the pawn and forces you to give up your knight

It opens up the left hand side especially for the Rooks to come out and exposes his Queen and Bishop on that side.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

Do try to keep up.

...and don't be so condescending.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:33:16 PM

Seriously? One whole square?

Follow your own advice, please.
b3 is fine for a move - it prevents c4 from being played. I'm not quite sure why you would want to play b4 as it just loses the pawn and forces you to give up your knight

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

Next move is pawn to a6 threatening both the Bishop and the Queen.

The bishop will just take the pawn. The rook can't recapture because then the queen will take it.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

...and don't be so condescending.

No can do. This is the second time in the row you've voted for a move that loses material on the spot (third if you count a6).

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 06:25:59 PM

Quote from: Foxpup on September 23, 2015, 07:58:32 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 07:39:52 AM

Knight takes pawn on b5 thank you.

Then pawn takes knight on b5. Please try to think at least one move ahead.

I am thinking ahead,

Next move is pawn to a6 threatening both the Bishop and the Queen.

The Bishop through take and the Queen by the Rook

Do try to keep up.

...and don't be so condescending.

and if he doesn't take the Knight, he's got to move his Queen most likely to a8 in which case the Knight returns to his former position.

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Quote from: actmyname on September 23, 2015, 06:14:56 PM

I go with b3 here. There can be issues, sure, but it's the best move in this position. The matter of c4 is pressing.

Seriously? One whole square?

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Quote from: scruffy scruffington on September 23, 2015, 03:29:45 PM

I like h3 too.) b3 doesn't save us at the queen side in any case, h3 is uncomfortable for black at the king side, we can quickly open the center after black c4 and start active game at the king side.

Seriously? Move one whole square?

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Quote from: jjacob on September 23, 2015, 11:47:34 AM

Is anybody else interested in Ng5?
If it was a local game, I would have played it. I am not sure if it is the right move against a Grand Master.

Not really, once the Knight on f5 moves, the Ng5 would be taken by the Bishop on e7

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Quote from: Foxpup on September 23, 2015, 07:58:32 AM

Quote from: Timelord2067 on September 23, 2015, 07:39:52 AM

Knight takes pawn on b5 thank you.

Then pawn takes knight on b5. Please try to think at least one move ahead.

I am thinking ahead,

Next move is pawn to a6 threatening both the Bishop and the Queen.

The Bishop through take and the Queen by the Rook

Do try to keep up.

...and don't be so condescending.

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I go with b3 here. There can be issues, sure, but it's the best move in this position. The matter of c4 is pressing.

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I'll go with h3 here.

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Quote from: jjacob on September 23, 2015, 11:47:34 AM

Is anybody else interested in Ng5?
If it was a local game, I would have played it. I am not sure if it is the right move against a Grand Master.

Black can just play h6 and force you to retreat.

If your idea is to eventually play d4 (or dxc4 after c4) opening the queen and then e5 hoping the f6 knight will move so you can play Qxh7 check, it wont work. If it does work it will prove we are not really playing a GM.

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Quote from: languagehasmeaning on September 23, 2015, 03:01:03 AM

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Quote from: languagehasmeaning on September 23, 2015, 02:41:25 AM

16. b3 looks good

We cant actually stop c4 but we can force him to recapture with his pawn instead of his rook.

One possible continuation is

16. b3 c4
17. bxc4 bxc4
18. d4

He will be on the attack but our center pawns are finally looking more aggressively placed

Indeed b3 is a good move. with your line is even 18. Ld3 stronger I guess.

What is 18. Ld3?
Do you mean Bishop to e3? I know L means bishop in some languages. We cant move a bishop to d3 but we can move one to e3.

16. b3 c4
17. bxc4 bxc4
18. d4 Bb4 puts pressure on e4 by attacking our knight which defends it. If we have to play e5 then black will have nice d5 square for his knight

I thought some more about your comment (if 18 Ld3 means Be3 somehow). If we want to play Be3 on move 18 then maybe we should play dxc4 on move 17. That way if black captures our pawn he must capture cxb3 and allow Qxb3 which I think is a better square for our queen than if we allow cxd3 and Qxd3.

16. b3 c4
17. dxc4 bxc4
18. Be3 forcing black to retreat his queen or allow us to trade pieces on c5

I meant indeed Be3. in Holland the L is for bishop. And it was indeed the wrong square. The diagram was on the previous page so was out of the mind.

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Quote from: scruffy scruffington on September 23, 2015, 03:29:45 PM

I like h3 too.) b3 doesn't save us at the queen side in any case, h3 is uncomfortable for black at the king side, we can quickly open the center after black c4 and start active game at the king side.

16. h3 Looks okay to me too and is my 2nd choice after b3. I say its my second choice because I would rather black be forced to recapture on c4 with his pawn instead of his rook. After

16. h3 c4
17. dxc4 Rxc4

Material is still even but his rook is active and he can make threats against our e pawn and our knight that is pinned to our queen on c3. We may have the chance to defend by playing Ne5 (which defends e4 again) and trading off some pieces.

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Quote from: abacus on September 23, 2015, 09:00:34 AM

I like both the suggested b3 and h3. With b3 we'll have a better final position after reacting to the Black c4, while with h3 we could then move the Bishop to e3, where I think we really need it to be.

But before my vote, I would like to ask you what do you think about the following move, if it could work or if it deserves one or more question marks. Kiss

Let me introduce...

16. e5

After this, Black will need to move the Knight in f6 (he can't take our pawn with the other Knight because of our Bishop). Now, where can he move?

There are only few options, and they all seem favourable to us:

Ne8 (the Knight has been pushed back to the starting line, we can move Be3)
Nh5 (sort of like above, we can move Be3)
Ng4 (now we can play h3; after that the Knight in g4 will not take the e5 pawn because it isn't a favourable swap for him)
Ne4 (forget about it: we would take the Knight with dxe4 or Nxe4)
Nd5 (now Be3 is precluded to us, but we could decide to swap the Knights with Nxd5. Black'll then move exd5 letting us, if it's worth it, to move our pawn to e6 with suicidal tendencies to break the castle wall).

What do you think?

16. e5 is reasonable Nd5 is clearly the best square for black to move to. I don't think black will play exd5 as it would block in his bishop. Instead this looks good for black

16. e5 Nd5
17. Nxd5 Bxd5

Its not a horrible position for us but black looks better developed to me

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I like h3 too.) b3 doesn't save us at the queen side in any case, h3 is uncomfortable for black at the king side, we can quickly open the center after black c4 and start active game at the king side.

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