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Quote from: CyanFox on February 18, 2017, 05:09:06 AM

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In the long run (200k++ hands), your knowledge and skill or lack thereof, will be more of a factor than random episodes of luck. Knowledge and skill, combined with proper bankroll management and tilt control will allow you to ride out and overcome extended periods of bad variance. I'm happy when ~~fish~~ less experienced players occasionally get lucky - either against me or especially against other players at my table because that's what keeps them in the game.

Bankroll management is not easy, even super poker gurus like Tom Dwan and Gus Hansen were broke, Gus made 20 million but lost it all. It is a tragedy when we be rich, but can't stop.

well, we have to understand that when we become rich in gambling, we will be seduced by it. The more you play, the more addicted your are and you will believe that gambling can bring money to you. Therefore, although they have earned lots of money, they still keep gambling and gambling to earn more and more and then, they have nothing

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Quote from: Junko on February 18, 2017, 12:10:49 AM

In the long run (200k++ hands), your knowledge and skill or lack thereof, will be more of a factor than random episodes of luck. Knowledge and skill, combined with proper bankroll management and tilt control will allow you to ride out and overcome extended periods of bad variance. I'm happy when ~~fish~~ less experienced players occasionally get lucky - either against me or especially against other players at my table because that's what keeps them in the game.

Bankroll management is not easy, even super poker gurus like Tom Dwan and Gus Hansen were broke, Gus made 20 million but lost it all. It is a tragedy when we be rich, but can't stop.

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Poker is a game of chance if you don't know how play it, but if you know how to play it then poker is a game of skill and probably one of the most rewarding games in the casino since almost any other game does not give you the chance of winning at all.

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Quote from: bering on February 14, 2017, 05:56:01 AM

Quote from: tyz on February 11, 2017, 10:04:37 AM

Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.

i think you forgot mentioning the last things to playing poker and that is mentally because poker online or offline you would facing a various opponents and some of them also very brave to risky their money even have bad cards and if you have no good mentally then you will lost even your cards more good rather than your opponents

Mentality should be covered by the psychology already, indeed there are some crazy players who like to bluff you no matter how bad his cards are. Without great mentality, you will be afraid even if you have great cards but you have less bankroll. It is the art of poker games, we should be smart in making decision on every hand.

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In the long run (200k++ hands), your knowledge and skill or lack thereof, will be more of a factor than random episodes of luck. Knowledge and skill, combined with proper bankroll management and tilt control will allow you to ride out and overcome extended periods of bad variance. I'm happy when ~~fish~~ less experienced players occasionally get lucky - either against me or especially against other players at my table because that's what keeps them in the game.

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Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.
5 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

Online is probably way higher % on math and skill and psychology only comes into play 10%. Most of the online reads are math based with a little psychology. Live is different animal.

At online poker you don't just use math. I mean, you use it, but it's not that different than the one you use on live poker. You need to place you opponent on a hand, see your hand and calculate your probability of beating him with your hand considering the cards on the table, and of course the ones you need to further improve your hand. But you do all that in live poker. Either on online or live poker, you must place your opponent on a hand, giving the stats you know about him. You must also consider what your opponent action will be in reaction to what you can do (how he reacts to a bet, or raise, etc etc). All of those things happen in live and online poker. And it gets easier on online, if you have a good tracker software.
I don't believe in those tells that you should try to get from live poker. Yes some players might have them, but they are week players, because any good player will know how to hide them. So all you have is the statistics, but on live poker you do it based on what you remember from that player, and on online poker, you can do it with software.

Its possible to beat online games with purely math tbh, unless you play high stakes. That is not really possible in live games, you have to think about body language etc.

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Quote from: tyz on February 11, 2017, 10:04:37 AM

Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.

i think you forgot mentioning the last things to playing poker and that is mentally because poker online or offline you would facing a various opponents and some of them also very brave to risky their money even have bad cards and if you have no good mentally then you will lost even your cards more good rather than your opponents

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Quote from: bitjoin on February 13, 2017, 04:08:11 PM

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Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.
5 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

Online is probably way higher % on math and skill and psychology only comes into play 10%. Most of the online reads are math based with a little psychology. Live is different animal.

At online poker you don't just use math. I mean, you use it, but it's not that different than the one you use on live poker. You need to place you opponent on a hand, see your hand and calculate your probability of beating him with your hand considering the cards on the table, and of course the ones you need to further improve your hand. But you do all that in live poker. Either on online or live poker, you must place your opponent on a hand, giving the stats you know about him. You must also consider what your opponent action will be in reaction to what you can do (how he reacts to a bet, or raise, etc etc). All of those things happen in live and online poker. And it gets easier on online, if you have a good tracker software.
I don't believe in those tells that you should try to get from live poker. Yes some players might have them, but they are week players, because any good player will know how to hide them. So all you have is the statistics, but on live poker you do it based on what you remember from that player, and on online poker, you can do it with software.

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Quote from: kidoseagle0312 on February 11, 2017, 09:48:30 AM

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Quote from: Barbut on December 31, 2016, 06:02:20 AM

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

this is one of those questions that people are never going to come to a conclusion on. i however believe it is so simple, it is a combination of both and the result is only depending on the skills. you have to be lucky to get a good card but it is your skills in the end that is going to save you.

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For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

to be honest i have tried many online poker games, but i always end up disliking all of them.
i prefer the actual game of poker face to face with my friends.

Well I can relate on what you had said a bit more of it. Because in online games in poker, you cannot do bluffing with your opponents unlike in the actual game of poker face to face you can see their face reaction when you are using bluffing strategy, even you have a bad card hold it. This might most often happened in the midst of the games together with skills and brain.

Actually there are online poker where you are competing against other player. Bluffing is not only shown on the words or makeface, they are actually strongly shown on the chips/bet if you raise or fold or all in. Bluff is like going all in even if you have an inferior card in hand.

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Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.
5 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

Online is probably way higher % on math and skill and psychology only comes into play 10%. Most of the online reads are math based with a little psychology. Live is different animal.

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Quote from: rindo on February 10, 2017, 09:35:38 PM

Well it is going interesting according to where many of us told me that it requires skill
For this like tournament I do agree about it if a player must have the skill it will be different when you at gambling with a large of funds

in my idea by large funds you can play as you want and of course its you whose own the table

Having more chips gives you an advantage in a tournament, but you still need to play tight poker because if you don't you risk losing your advantage very quickly, I prefer to think of having more chips as having more ammunition to try to beat your opponents but the other players can use a sniping technique to bring you down.

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Quote from: kidoseagle0312 on February 11, 2017, 09:48:30 AM

Quote from: Red-Apple on December 31, 2016, 08:46:01 AM

Quote from: Barbut on December 31, 2016, 06:02:20 AM

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

this is one of those questions that people are never going to come to a conclusion on. i however believe it is so simple, it is a combination of both and the result is only depending on the skills. you have to be lucky to get a good card but it is your skills in the end that is going to save you.

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For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

to be honest i have tried many online poker games, but i always end up disliking all of them.
i prefer the actual game of poker face to face with my friends.

Well I can relate on what you had said a bit more of it. Because in online games in poker, you cannot do bluffing with your opponents unlike in the actual game of poker face to face you can see their face reaction when you are using bluffing strategy, even you have a bad card hold it. This might most often happened in the midst of the games together with skills and brain.

I dont agree with you, if the site providing the real players playing online then surely you can do bluffing in online poker also, i use to play in fortunejack and in low range tables i use to play and so many time i use to bluff and won it also, it is only upto that you dont play with bot because if the site bot is playing then you can do nothing and you will lose. So that is why dont play with one on one just play with multi player table so bot dont work mostly on this tables.

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Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.

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Quote from: Barbut on December 31, 2016, 06:02:20 AM

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

If memory serves me right poker is classified as a game of skill, luck plays a role of course, but just by looking at poker in television you will see the same faces winning tournaments and lots of money so it stands to reason that poker is a game of skill.

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Quote from: Red-Apple on December 31, 2016, 08:46:01 AM

Quote from: Barbut on December 31, 2016, 06:02:20 AM

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

this is one of those questions that people are never going to come to a conclusion on. i however believe it is so simple, it is a combination of both and the result is only depending on the skills. you have to be lucky to get a good card but it is your skills in the end that is going to save you.

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For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

to be honest i have tried many online poker games, but i always end up disliking all of them.
i prefer the actual game of poker face to face with my friends.

Well I can relate on what you had said a bit more of it. Because in online games in poker, you cannot do bluffing with your opponents unlike in the actual game of poker face to face you can see their face reaction when you are using bluffing strategy, even you have a bad card hold it. This might most often happened in the midst of the games together with skills and brain.

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Quote from: tyz on February 09, 2017, 02:31:41 PM

I personally prefer Poker over slots, blackjack and roulette. Just because the liklihood is higher to win if you have good skills and money management strategies. I also like to poker on Betcoin because it is probably the best Bitcoin poker out there with a lot of players.

The good thing is there is almost a never ending learning curve to poker vs some other types of betting where you can reach a optimum level of play and improve no longer.

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Poket is great,I really like that game and it's just so intriguing,yeah it involves luck but also psychology and strategy,it isn't like you just gamble and hope for the best,in poker you actually have to rely on your skills first before anything else.

Everybody does it ! Believe me if you say that to playing poker you just need skill well let me say that it might useless cause out there are many unskilled player with big funds out there but when they raise the bet till the limit of the skill player well you'll see they'll (skill player) slide the card and fold fold fold fold and fold except if they get the good card Ã°Å¸Æ’Â�

i think skill is important factor to play poker, although the luck factor is a must to have, but still we need to have skill to play poker, without having a good skill then i think we can not win with easy. maybe you can say that the good card will come to us if we luck, but from our skill we can modify or make something with our card so we can win without having a good cards.

And also with your opinion I would say in playing poker you don't need skill
You just need a luck
Or you don't need luck but you need to have a large fund and confidence with your brave Ã°Å¸ËœÂ�

But in poker it is a mind game not really just about luck, there are plenty of situation where you can play your cards right. Even if you have a royal flush but you cannot get anyone to commit to your bet then there is no point. That is where skills come into play. Even with a shit hand you can still win by bluffing your way to it.

This, the real trick with poker is about maximizing your earnings and minimizing your losses, if you got poker by the flop but when you bet everyone folds, then you are doing it wrong, you need to give your opponents the chance to get something going in their hands and that is when you trap them with your winning hand.

Quote from: rvbtccom on February 10, 2017, 06:50:29 AM

The major online poker sites offer varying features to entice new players. One common feature is to offer tournaments called satellites by which the winners gain entry to real-life poker tournaments. It was through one such tournament on PokerStars that Chris Moneymaker won his entry to the 2003 World Series of Poker. He went on to win the main event, causing shock in the poker world, and beginning the poker boom. The 2004 World Series featured three times as many players as in 2003. At least four players in the WSOP final table won their entry through an online cardroom. Like Moneymaker, 2004 winner Greg Raymer also won his entry at the PokerStars online cardroom.

Well it is going interesting according to where many of us told me that it requires skill
For this like tournament I do agree about it if a player must have the skill it will be different when you at gambling with a large of funds

in my idea by large funds you can play as you want and of course its you whose own the table

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Quote from: michkima on February 09, 2017, 11:16:24 PM

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Quote from: asuryan180 on February 09, 2017, 09:27:48 PM

Poket is great,I really like that game and it's just so intriguing,yeah it involves luck but also psychology and strategy,it isn't like you just gamble and hope for the best,in poker you actually have to rely on your skills first before anything else.

Everybody does it ! Believe me if you say that to playing poker you just need skill well let me say that it might useless cause out there are many unskilled player with big funds out there but when they raise the bet till the limit of the skill player well you'll see they'll (skill player) slide the card and fold fold fold fold and fold except if they get the good card ðŸƒ�

i think skill is important factor to play poker, although the luck factor is a must to have, but still we need to have skill to play poker, without having a good skill then i think we can not win with easy. maybe you can say that the good card will come to us if we luck, but from our skill we can modify or make something with our card so we can win without having a good cards.

And also with your opinion I would say in playing poker you don't need skill
You just need a luck
Or you don't need luck but you need to have a large fund and confidence with your brave ðŸ˜�

But in poker it is a mind game not really just about luck, there are plenty of situation where you can play your cards right. Even if you have a royal flush but you cannot get anyone to commit to your bet then there is no point. That is where skills come into play. Even with a shit hand you can still win by bluffing your way to it.

This, the real trick with poker is about maximizing your earnings and minimizing your losses, if you got poker by the flop but when you bet everyone folds, then you are doing it wrong, you need to give your opponents the chance to get something going in their hands and that is when you trap them with your winning hand.

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First place, I will play step 2 tomorrow. I still dont have enough luck to get through the all steps. But anyway nice game tonight I enjoyed, I think I also won 6.25 mbtc with this win. See you tomorrow on step 2 at betcoin.ag. Good luck poker player's!

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I think no need to require a skill to play poker just that we need to dare to play scare feared opponents in the table with a big bet, it makes me happy to do it Tongue

I would love to play poker with you if we ever meet seems like that you love giving people
free money. Grin

Anyway, playing poker does need skills. If you are playing poker and just scaring your opponents with your
big bets, well, you're just giving them your money. it's may be fun, but it's not fun if you lose bankroll. Grin

It requires skill, general players like us, will never win a cash table in a big tournament, players need to have patience, strong energy, otherwise people can't win the money.

That is where knowledge and experience comes into play. If you are an amateur poker player don't even think that you can reach the finals of the poker tournament, unless you are a prodigy that can sweep the whole tournament on your first try. Skill and experiences plays a great role in poker, that is why not everybody gets rich from playing poker.

Yeah, in the contrary, most people lost money from poker, which is not easy game, only casinos win money in the long term from fixed rate rake. Even Tom Dwan is broke.

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