Topic: LFC_bitcoin sending PMs to his friends to oppose flag and bribing DT inclusion - page 13. (Read 5815 times)

Where was that written contract of izoomrud&livecoin?

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Nonsense. There is a whole thread for such requests. Asking to oppose or support a flag is ok.

I don't think anyone has an issue with that if it's nothing more than asking to take a look at the matter.

True - and I didn't have / don't have intentions of doing so, even more so since the facts regarding this case are more than enough. Yeah, so that was pretty lame but all the drama here is really starting to f*** my head.

If you have any information like this and saying "should I do that should I do this", you are only damaging your own reputation.

A straight arrow does not threaten. They just do it.

shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

Instead of acting like a pathetic kid by attacking me once more - how about you explain in which way these cases are similar?! Even you must be realizing that you are avoiding what matters here?

You’re embarrassing, I’ve got stuff on you but I don’t want to humiliate you in front of the entire forum.

You are getting ridiculous man - keep it up But be ready for the truth to come out - shall I post the screenshot with bitcoingirl.club? Shall I share how sportsbet are manipulating users that are taking part in their campaigns? Really?

efialtis, may I ask your relationship with alani123, just seems a coincidence that a fellow Greek was the first to support your flag?
Probably just a coincidence but hope you didn’t tell him to support your flag?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alani123-121796

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366;page=iflags

I’ve never added a newbie to my trust list, let alone multiple perfect newbies so yes, a misunderstanding on your end.
I added rohang (Member) & then removed him later after thinking he probably isn’t reputable enough to be on my trust list.
Both flags literally have close to zero support, I don’t understand where you’re going with this. If you don’t trust my judgement ~ me but I have nothing else to say on this as I’ve already said. Have a good day, maybe take a look at this thread if you’re struggling for something to do -

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/stake-scammm-5264793


Pretty similar, no? I don’t see the same level of outrage & interest here though?
No doubt the accuser here is a multi accounting trickster but no interest in this thread?

adding perfect newbies to your trust list for the sole apparent purpose of increasing opposition on the flag, or is that a misunderstanding on my end?

Your account was locked for multi-accounting amongst other reasons. Support sent you an email requesting that you verify documents. No response on your side to that email.

You haven’t got shit cryptohunter, I’ve just gone through my PM’s & I absolutely did not tell anybody to oppose the flag. I asked a few people to take a look.

Asking them to oppose the flag is helping them to decide their action. This is untrustworthy, this is called manipulating.

Tl;dr who give a dime!

I messaged a few people I know to take a look at the flag & see what they thought but bribery?

Tl;dr who give a dime!

Thanks LFC_Bitcoin for PMing me on this matter but after carefully scanning some posts here I think I will wait for sportsbet to bring more info to help us making a clear mind before opposing the flag.

It is not a good look when you are not only opposing a flag, but using your trust list to exclude anyone who supports a flag against an entity that has employed you "for years".

I see a conflict of interest in your actions.

I’ve been working with sportsbet for years & consider a number of the guys there as friends.

Hi guys. I hope I'm not yet another unneeded cook but I would like to reiterate my suggestion in that we request both neymarjr12 and Sportsbet to both proceed with this situation through a recognised gambling industry arbitrator -- AskGamblers.com.

@neymarjr12 Please if you haven't done so already, do open your case against them using this link: https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/

There is a tutorial there that I urge you to watch and then submit it and wait for it to appear on that same page (your complaint will register there if it meets all the requirements). Then, I would ask you to update this OP with all the information, I am more than certain Sportsbet will respond to that complaint there.

Why do this instead of involving all of us and others here?

1. As much as I respect and love many of the posters here -- I know almost all of them by name and consider them my friends and like-minded allies in gambling -- I do not think it is fair to ask you OR Sportsbet to disclose any private and confidential information. I, for one, would really not like to meddle with GDPR consequences, nor would I like anyone I know here to expose themselves to that very real, potentially litigious risk.

2. As much as I'd like to think my opinion counts (it is possibly not objective as I use Sportsbet myself), I don't think it is also fair to ask anyone to accept our unqualified observations, since none of us I believe actually work in the industry. AskGamblers is the only 3rd-party, independent arbitrator that I trust and I know many others online trust as well. THEY are qualified to intervene and mediate.

3. AskGamblers decision will carry more weight, and should be final, more so than any decision either of us individually or as a group could possibly have. Casinos know their reputation and will be eager and keen to resolve this with them, in a way that protects their method (but opening themselves to inquiry by AskGamblers), and protects the user (so neither I nor anyone on this forum can access your data). We may be able to affect trust ratings here but a flag by AskGamblers will affect trust ratings elsewhere online, arguably with wider impact.

OP, you can inform Sportsbet you are doing this, update the first post with relevant and updated information, and keep us abreast and informed.

I only just notice this thread and read through it, but I'm going comment just to explain why I'm opposing both flags:

Sportsbet.io is a business, and like all businesses they have the right to refuse service to anyone, without explanation.  They aren't obligated to explain themselves to neymarjr12, or any of us.  They made a business decision, and having taken the time to explain themselves in this thread should have been enough.  They didn't have to do that, and they don't owe anyone any more than that.


This whole business is really silly.  Who's to say the documents aren't stolen and have been passed around?  How would any one on neymarjr12's list be able to determine that?  @Royse777, would you accept this users documents in lieu of collateral for a loan?  If not, then they shouldn't be enough to condemn a legitimate business.

@neymarjr12, I know you've repeatedly said that you've done nothing wrong, but forgive my skepticism.  I couldn't help but notice your English is fairly good.  Are you sure you didn't violate their TOS?  Lets assume your documents are legit, are you from one of the countries highlighted below?

I understand that philosophy, but we don't know the whole story, and Sportsbet.io isn't obligated to disclose it.  In fact, considering what it would take to prove their suspicions to us, they are very likely obligated NOT to disclose it.

What if the OP is from the US, or another probated location?  Do you suggest they should break the law, and pay the winnings?  We don't know what evidence they have, and I'm not trusting a bitter newbie over an established business.

Free bets, promos, deposit bonus was already mentioned in the other thread I think. I will give you an example, how you could cheat the Multimaster Promo with heavy multi-accounting:


Source: https://sportsbet.io/promotions/weekend-multi-master

You have 15³ = 3375 different combinations, minimum stake 0.1 mBTC, so total stake 337.5 mBTC. But you will win 3000 mBTC every weekend (if no one else does the same)

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Take 100% first deposit bonus. You deposit 100,- and get 100,- on top. You do this with multiple accounts and always place opposite bets on these accounts. The one account plays "over", the other "under". One account will be empty, but the other has double the amount. Onto the next account. Rinse and repeat, until rollover requirement is done and you can withdraw more than you deposited into all these accounts.

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Some bookies don't want you at their site no more. My account at Sportsbet is limited to ridiculously low amounts, I have no price boost anymore, even my max bet button is gone. They want to get rid of me and achieve that by making my account unusable. If multi-accounting was allowed, they couldn't get rid of me (or not that easy), since I could just open new accounts all the time. This is industry standard and they have all the right to do it. I am ok with it, though it's a bit annoying always I must confess, but nothing I can do.

Hi Guys,

This matter has been discussed on an ongoing basis between the player and our relevant Sportsbook department.

Based on the initial information we had at hand, we decided to lock the account temporarily and contact the player to ask for more information on some matters.

We have asked several questions of the player, on many different email chains. We are not confident in the credibility of the answers vs the information we have at hand.

The decision was made to keep the account closed and refund the customer the difference between the deposits and withdrawals (102mbtc)

On no less than 4 occasions we have requested the customer to provide their nominated bitcoin wallet address so we can send back the money.
these emails date back a couple of weeks, so this is not a new request.

Regardless of the player is happy with the decision of closing their account or not, this is a decision that under the circumstances will not be reversed and the player will have the same amount of money they started with.

Occasion number 5: Neymarjr12: Can you please email back your desired bitcoin wallet address so we can return you the 102 mbtc. This will be done as soon as you send the details.

Thank you for your time all.

In the interest of serving other sportsbet.io customers evenly and fairly, I won't be allocating any more time to this matter. I trust you understand.

regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io
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Hi All,

Re: neymarjr12:

Our last email to neymarjr12 was sent 20/07/20 once again requesting a wallet address to return the initial deposits too. We have never ignored you and have in fact been prompt and clear in our communication.

We take any accusation extremely seriously and ignoring players is not how we resolve issues. Our history and activity on the forum speaks to that.

The simple matter of the fact here is that our Fraud Team cannot simply expose their methodology for detecting fraud for obvious reasons. When possible we try to show proof but in some cases it's not possible without giving away either sensitive information about the player or about our detection tools.

What we can say publicly is that we have a 100% match and have no doubt that this person was multi-accounting. We use many different tools and techniques in fraud and it’s not as rudimentary as IP matching as some people on the forum have expressed.

However, to be extra sure in this case we also asked this person to undergo KYC, which was not passed.

Given our findings and also our t&cs, we think it’s only fair to return 102 mBTC (deposits minus withdrawals)- something we’ve been trying to do for some time. What we don’t think is fair is to set a precedent of opening up cases publicly, infringing players’ privacy and giving out information which could help others circumvent fraud detection.

We’ve been on the forum since 2016 and since the beginning have tried to act with integrity and fairness. We're so very proud of being part of this community and for being known as a reputable sportsbook in the crypto space and therefore would never do anything to compromise that.


regards,

Steve,
Sportsbet.io