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My favorite password to try is 000000.
Eclair only uses 6 digits, that password should be easy to brute force, if there's any software that does it.
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My mistake is I don't seem to have written down the passwords for the Eclair wallet in question.
So you can't use the wallet and can't find your addresses using the backup words?

Yup, that's a mistake I can call my own.

I just took a screenshot, any chance you did?

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My mistake is I don't seem to have written down the passwords for the Eclair wallet in question.
So you can't use the wallet and can't find your addresses using the backup words?

Yup, that's a mistake I can call my own.
legendary
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The link from Loyce was a web page to enter the /12/24 passwords and delve into the various wallet addresses.
Ian Coleman's Mnemonic Code Converter (this should only be used offline, ideally from a LIVE Linux DVD so that all traces are gone when you turn off the computer).

The 0.0010528 and 0.0010801 "unconfirmed" (but in reality actually are confirmed) balances probably make up the 0.00251849 on-chain balance that can't be moved to another wallet address.
I'm still clueless how this happened
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Afaik you can't have a channel without any funds in it...

There's a minimum amount you can have in a channel.

Like the one I opened with whacker/daveF has a limit of 40 micro btc.

One has seven and a bit satoshis, the other 235 and a bit satoshis and the third has a shave over a thousand satoshis that can be sent. (the balances total 0.00027500042 in the three channels).

Two started with 0.01 and 0.011 balances and the third was, um 0.0011 starting balance.



The 0.0010528 and 0.0010801 "unconfirmed" (but in reality actually are confirmed) balances probably make up the 0.00251849 on-chain balance that can't be moved to another wallet address.
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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
Afaik you can't have a channel without any funds in it...

There's a minimum amount you can have in a channel.

Like the one I opened with whacker/daveF has a limit of 40 micro btc.
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All of the above transactions are the mobile phone Eclair wallet.

The link from Loyce was a web page to enter the /12/24 passwords and delve into the various wallet addresses.  My mistake is I don't seem to have written down the passwords for the Eclair wallet in question.

the dust in the LN for the three channels open is the held for closing funds, so there wouldn't be any point in closing those three which are all now max inbound.  I'm wondering if the two "unconfirmed" channels (that have been confirmed on the block-chain) are still in operation and might still work with the inbound channels? If a stray TX were to come via any of the three inbounds and go out via the two "unconfirmed" channels, then I could simply leave the Eclair wallet running from time to time and then shift any inbound back out again?
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Loyce may be becoming a politician Grin.

I'm using eclair at the moment, the fearutes are fairly basic afaik. You can set a fee when you open a channel and that's probably about it (although you can see balances in fiat too which probably isn't much of a feature - they all do that).

I'd check who sent that diagnostic tool and check that you can trust it, you might end up compromising your channels and their funds if you make a mistake and an old CT is broadcast (assuming those rules are implemented). If it was you with the pending channels, you might want to close active ones for a while while you run the diagnostic too just to be on the safe side (but that's just my two cents on the matter)... I'm kinda curious if that was just that a redemption transaction went unbroadcast because you had no funds to take out of the channel or something like that...

legendary
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I am growing to like Blue, but I share LoyceV's concerns about the proprietary aspect of the "Blue" wallet structure.
It's just easy to use Smiley

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the 0.00432483 shows as confirmed on the block-chain, but did not "appear" in the Eclair wallet.
This is the weirdest one, as it has nothing to do with LN. If 3Hn6UVrbLmiV16ya4stoPtunGBjkzoLNig is part of your wallet, it should show up. If that addy is not part of your Eclair wallet, you somehow got the wrong address.
Have you tried installing Eclair on another device with the same seed phrase?

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  • the 0.0010528 channel shows as "unconfirmed" on Eclair but confirmed on the block-chain
  • the 0.0010801 channel shows as "unconfirmed" on Eclair but confirmed on the block-chain
Is this the same Eclair wallet?

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There is a total of 0.00027500042 on the LN according to Eclair. (the three open channels I have managed to empty to my Blue wallet)
Is that the channel reserve? So if you close it, it goes to fees?

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On my Blue wallet, I now have 0.0001 on chain and 0.00150845 on LN. (the latter got shifted in increasingly tiny amounts 1500 - 2500 sats, so there were more than a dozen TX's involved. All of these funds came from the mobile phone's Eclair wallet.  The remaining balances are after these funds were sent)
One of the things I disliked in Eclair was that my sending capacity varies depending on the momentary on-chain fee. I assume this is because the channel reserve varies *so there's enough to force-close the channel when needed), but I don't like the way "chain problems" are transfered into LN.

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Loyce sent me a link to a diagnostic to delve into the back end of the wallet
I did?
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It's the only on chain LN test transaction incoming in weeks.
I only sent 0.1 tBTC on-chain: ac7b33813049d3dc9530ac16505a5fc209165cc4e702a2787ab8b1dfe22d4f2a.

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~ then it's as lost as the nearly 0.01 on the mainnet Eclair.
Can you post txids for those transactions? I don't think it's going to help much, but I'm curious where the funds went. After all, on-chain funds can't disappear.



OK, there's 0.00432483 that is a lost TX sent 8394ba975c7cbde33af61873bd467055cbb8e7e6192054b93a7415065157eb23 from my tablet Eclair to my mobile phone Eclair. (mentioned in PM previously to LoyceV)

Then there are two "unconfirmed" TX for channels being opened

0.0010528 TX 7da61cc308c27a2e70e9fcf114a2a44425a87e833dcf9fde59457940ebb89777

0.0010801 TX bda728fcee84f76ccc193a156786bcee4475c69171e81cbb9aa6e0449a34c9a1

then I have on my Eclair mobile phone - on the block-chain 0.00251849

the last two TX outbound from the on-chain wallet are

0.00010495 TX 71b778d03b7893b73ac743a04bbccea76fe93ce49bd5964b0541ea8e395aaf81

0.0010765 TX c3caaed89b5595d79d102734748837a9c5891a27aa2c2bd7ca1fb41e2f2c33b8

and finally some dust in the three open channels - I've managed in the last two days to slowly withdraw just over 0.0015 to a "Blue" Wallet which is a whole other post about how I am growing to like Blue, but I share LoyceV's concerns about the proprietary aspect of the "Blue" wallet structure.



In saying all of the above transactions,

  • the 0.00432483 shows as confirmed on the block-chain, but did not "appear" in the Eclair wallet.
  • the 0.0010528 channel shows as "unconfirmed" on Eclair but confirmed on the block-chain
  • the 0.0010801 channel shows as "unconfirmed" on Eclair but confirmed on the block-chain
  • the on chain tx 0.00010495 arrived in the blue wallet as did
  • the on chain tx 0.0010765 which also arrived in the Blue wallet.

    I believe the unspent 0.00083229 change may not part of the block-chain 0.00251849 but I have nothing to show as evidence of that assertion.

There is a total of 0.00027500042 on the LN according to Eclair. (the three open channels I have managed to empty to my Blue wallet)



On my Blue wallet, I now have 0.0001 on chain and 0.00150845 on LN. (the latter got shifted in increasingly tiny amounts 1500 - 2500 sats, so there were more than a dozen TX's involved. All of these funds came from the mobile phone's Eclair wallet.  The remaining balances are after these funds were sent)



It won't be a double spend then. Almost every time you do a double spend you have to know you've done it (on most wallets). I haven't found one that doesn't...



Can you find the 2of2 multisig address then? You should be able to see where the funds came back into your account and you can just send that address or txid then.

It'll have a multisig input script if you want to know what it'll look like on a blockchain explorer but anything in the link posted is enough for us to find it.



Loyce sent me a link to a diagnostic to delve into the back end of the wallet but I haven't been able to find what I was looking for.



Loyce also mentioned the check Eclair app feature - I've run it a couple of times and I'm still in the same situation.
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It won't be a double spend then. Almost every time you do a double spend you have to know you've done it (on most wallets). I haven't found one that doesn't...



Can you find the 2of2 multisig address then? You should be able to see where the funds came back into your account and you can just send that address or txid then.

It'll have a multisig input script if you want to know what it'll look like on a blockchain explorer but anything in the link posted is enough for us to find it.
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I'm giving it a go anyway.

@tl you did an uncooperative close or a double spend?

Edit channel is open with 0.00392856

The channel to you is on my Zap wallet.  All the issues are on Eclair. (that's not to say a double spend isn't out of the question. I have no way of knowing as transactions were coming and going at the same time.)
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I'm giving it a go anyway.

@tl you did an uncooperative close or a double spend?

Edit channel is open with 0.00392856
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Are you just trying to open a channel?

What address is funding it, can you look at it on a blockchain explorer?

I could try opening one with you but all I have is éclair?

Actually, if you could try to open one to me with eclair that would be an good test too.
Is it something with Timelord2067 trying to connect to my node or is it something with eclair trying to connect to my node.

I am about to go to sleep, it's been a busy couple of days, so I will check back in the morning here (GMT -5)

-Dave

As I said in the other thread, I wasn't paying attention when I connected to the two addresses which were the same node, but different IP's. I've cancelled one for the time being.
legendary
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Are you just trying to open a channel?

What address is funding it, can you look at it on a blockchain explorer?

I could try opening one with you but all I have is éclair?

Actually, if you could try to open one to me with eclair that would be an good test too.
Is it something with Timelord2067 trying to connect to my node or is it something with eclair trying to connect to my node.

I am about to go to sleep, it's been a busy couple of days, so I will check back in the morning here (GMT -5)

-Dave
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Are you just trying to open a channel?

What address is funding it, can you look at it on a blockchain explorer?

I could try opening one with you but all I have is éclair?

Edit: opening a channel soon.
legendary
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I do not think I can close it because they are not open. My side is still waiting on your side or there was something you sent that lnd did not like. Will have to check a bit more to see what is up.

-Dave
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Did you close one and try to re-open it?
I now have 2 pending open channels. One has been out there for a while I just saw the other one pop up, do not know when, but it's just sitting out there.
And your other channel seems to have dropped.
-Dave

I haven't been able to do much this week, so I've just closed one channel as they both pointed to the same location.

I did try to open a channel via Eclair but the message popped up "could not broadcast TX to the network", so it could well be that it is/but it isn't trying to connect.  If you're able to close the attempted connection from your end, I'd appreciate it.
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Is this one of your connections?

Yes it is - There wasn't any choices to make private/public out of the box install.  Not to worry, I have a feeling my ISP rotates the IP address from time to time.

I'll see if I can connect via my trouble plagued Eclair wallet.

Did you close one and try to re-open it?
I now have 2 pending open channels. One has been out there for a while I just saw the other one pop up, do not know when, but it's just sitting out there.
And your other channel seems to have dropped.
-Dave
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Is this one of your connections?

Yes it is - There wasn't any choices to make private/public out of the box install.  Not to worry, I have a feeling my ISP rotates the IP address from time to time.

I'll see if I can connect via my trouble plagued Eclair wallet.
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