Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware - page 36.

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Quote from: Xian01 on November 08, 2013, 01:03:29 AM

Quote from: xerxesdarius on November 08, 2013, 01:00:11 AM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 11:36:09 PM

I'm running cgminer 3.7.2 on windows xp for testing my klondikes. I had to install the WinUSB driver using the zadig utility provided on cgminer's site (the WinUSB driver is in the zadig exe), but other than that, the latest cgminer works right out of the box on windows.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/zadig/

I have run zadig, installed the WinUSB driver and cgminer still doesn't show the klondikes. Running windows 8, cgminer 3.7.0 stock. Should I see something in the device manager?

Perchance are you not starting with --klondike-options mhz:temp ?

Does Device Manager show K16's under the "Universal Serial Bus devices" tree ?

running

Code:

cgminer-nogpu -n

should list all usb devices it finds. (same with regular cgminer if you built it with klondike support)

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Quote from: Unacceptable on November 07, 2013, 07:36:31 PM

Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 07:13:50 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 05:42:20 PM

Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 05:31:03 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

One of those 4 connectors is a 6+2 pin, which is designed for 150W. Assuming they use the same gauge wiring on all the cables, it should be safe to pull 150W from each 6-pin's as well (both 6 and 8 pin connectors use only 3 positive wires). Though I suppose the PSU's internal connections could be poorly designed. The PSU can do a total of 500W on the single 12V rail, so I'd say you can probably run 8 K16's without problem.

Incorrect. The terminals are rated for 75W each (72Watt actual), this is why a 200W graphics card will have 2x6pin connectors for 150W plus the 75W from the PCI-e slot (~225W)
and 250W cards will have 8+6pin (the 8 pins (8 and 6+2) are rated for 150W, 6 pins are only 75W (72Watt actual)).

My point is that both 6-pin and 8-pin connectors use the same number of wires for the 12v line, so if they use the same quality wires for both 6-pin and 8-pin cables, then you can be sure the connector and cable can handle 150W on even the 6-pin connectors. As long as they tied all the 12v wires to the same mount point in the PSU, you're fine to pull 150W on the 6-pin's.

There is only 12V line on all PCI-E 6 and 8 pin connectors, and it's not ncessarily the wire that will catch fire/melt (unless low-gauge poor quality and long length), but the connector itself Wink

If Anyone tries to pull 150W from PCI-E 6 pin connector you MUST keep an eye on the connector temperature, preferably using a FLIR Thermal Camera. IT IS UNSAFE!

You've been warned!

Thats funny,my BFL 30GH'er pulls 130 watts+ & works just fine on a 6 pin PCIExpress cable & the cable nor connector are warm,hmmmmmm Roll Eyes

I'm not saying it's not possible, but that's going well above the standard specifications and you need to pay attention to it right after hooking it up so you don't leave your house 5 minutes later and come back with it burnt to the ground, right?

And as you may notice you got two 6+2 pins coming off that wire, so naturally the gauge on that should be able to carry over 300W or ~25Amps

Good that you checked if the plug got warm or not

There are so many that are surprised when electricals have torched down their house.

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Anyone wanting to sell 16x Avalon chips that SB has in hand for USD send me a PM

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Quote from: xerxesdarius on November 08, 2013, 01:11:50 AM

Quote from: Xian01 on November 08, 2013, 01:03:29 AM

Quote from: xerxesdarius on November 08, 2013, 01:00:11 AM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 11:36:09 PM

I'm running cgminer 3.7.2 on windows xp for testing my klondikes. I had to install the WinUSB driver using the zadig utility provided on cgminer's site (the WinUSB driver is in the zadig exe), but other than that, the latest cgminer works right out of the box on windows.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/zadig/

I have run zadig, installed the WinUSB driver and cgminer still doesn't show the klondikes. Running windows 8, cgminer 3.7.0 stock. Should I see something in the device manager?

Perchance are you not starting with --klondike-options mhz:temp ?

Does Device Manager show K16's under the "Universal Serial Bus devices" tree ?

The K16s are NOT showing in device manager, correct. I ran zadig several times, and rebooted several times. No luck.

Does the computer show the "new device found - installing drivers" dialog when it is correct?

Try 3.7.2? Maybe full support was only very recently added.

But you should see them somewhere in device manager. Did zadig see the correct number of K16 devices?

Are you sure the units are actually coming on? If I power up mine with the yellow fan plugged into the board's fan pins, it doesn't init, and doesn't even spin the fan, just gets really hot. If I then unplug/replug the fan, some lights blink, windows sees a usb device plugged in, and the fan starts spinning.

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Quote from: Xian01 on November 08, 2013, 01:03:29 AM

Quote from: xerxesdarius on November 08, 2013, 01:00:11 AM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 11:36:09 PM

I'm running cgminer 3.7.2 on windows xp for testing my klondikes. I had to install the WinUSB driver using the zadig utility provided on cgminer's site (the WinUSB driver is in the zadig exe), but other than that, the latest cgminer works right out of the box on windows.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/zadig/

I have run zadig, installed the WinUSB driver and cgminer still doesn't show the klondikes. Running windows 8, cgminer 3.7.0 stock. Should I see something in the device manager?

Perchance are you not starting with --klondike-options mhz:temp ?

Does Device Manager show K16's under the "Universal Serial Bus devices" tree ?

The K16s are NOT showing in device manager, correct. I ran zadig several times, and rebooted several times. No luck.

Does the computer show the "new device found - installing drivers" dialog when it is correct?

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Quote from: xerxesdarius on November 08, 2013, 01:00:11 AM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 11:36:09 PM

I'm running cgminer 3.7.2 on windows xp for testing my klondikes. I had to install the WinUSB driver using the zadig utility provided on cgminer's site (the WinUSB driver is in the zadig exe), but other than that, the latest cgminer works right out of the box on windows.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/zadig/

I have run zadig, installed the WinUSB driver and cgminer still doesn't show the klondikes. Running windows 8, cgminer 3.7.0 stock. Should I see something in the device manager?

Perchance are you not starting with --klondike-options mhz:temp ?

Does Device Manager show K16's under the "Universal Serial Bus devices" tree ?

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Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 11:36:09 PM

I'm running cgminer 3.7.2 on windows xp for testing my klondikes. I had to install the WinUSB driver using the zadig utility provided on cgminer's site (the WinUSB driver is in the zadig exe), but other than that, the latest cgminer works right out of the box on windows.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/zadig/

I have run zadig, installed the WinUSB driver and cgminer still doesn't show the klondikes. Running windows 8, cgminer 3.7.0 stock. Should I see something in the device manager?

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Quote from: Duetschpire on November 05, 2013, 08:28:28 PM

So now that the issue is the project development itself, aren't we eligible for a refund?

We bought these miners on the basis that building the miner was an easy step which will be done the next day after delivery.. Well, this is not the case and I do demand a refund, this is the BIGGEST BS in history having to wait for something that's depreciating in value by the minute for that long because the provider isn't capable of building it.

I've had enough of all the "news" which bring no news to me, I don't get how a HW engineer can't pull this shit together, I wonder what he's getting paid for?

Has anyone answered this?

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I'm running cgminer 3.7.2 on windows xp for testing my klondikes. I had to install the WinUSB driver using the zadig utility provided on cgminer's site (the WinUSB driver is in the zadig exe), but other than that, the latest cgminer works right out of the box on windows.

http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/zadig/

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Quote from: ScaryHash on November 07, 2013, 09:06:37 PM

Quote from: morris14ccm on November 07, 2013, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 02:48:17 PM

I'm not a windows user anymore but it looks like you need to install the winusb driver, I'd mine from linux personally since its more secure and has better uptime stability

Found it and it's running well now.
~4.5 Gh/s average (over 5 minutes) @ 300MHz. Will be tweaking it later tonight.

What is this winusb driver that will actually run the K16 ? Is there a link for it? I wasn't aware that the K16 would run on windows...

Thank you in advance.

From everything I've read, you'll need to compile cgminer on windows with the --enable-klondike switch. There are a number of steps you'll need to do to complete this process. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

That said, linux will probably be more stable, and if you're already this far down the rabbit hole, you might as well learn it!

Cheers.

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The way of the future...

I received my three miners today in the mail. Thank you Steamboat for all your hard work. I will hook them up tomorrow and hopefully they will hash away.

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Does anyone have K16's running with a killawatt meeter? Pics or it didn't happen! We are looking for Mhz you are running the K16s at + GHs + watts at the wall (from the killawatt meeter).

If you are chaining K16(s) off your computer PSU(power supply unit), then just take a reading with/without the K16(s) running (unplugged preferably) - this should get us in the ball park. Yes I know cgminer will load up the computer CPU resulting in more wattage draw, but it shouldn't be by much.

Just in case: https://www.google.com/#q=killawatt

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Quote from: morris14ccm on November 07, 2013, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 02:48:17 PM

I'm not a windows user anymore but it looks like you need to install the winusb driver, I'd mine from linux personally since its more secure and has better uptime stability

Found it and it's running well now.
~4.5 Gh/s average (over 5 minutes) @ 300MHz. Will be tweaking it later tonight.

What is this winusb driver that will actually run the K16 ? Is there a link for it? I wasn't aware that the K16 would run on windows...

Thank you in advance.

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Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 07:13:50 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 05:42:20 PM

Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 05:31:03 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

One of those 4 connectors is a 6+2 pin, which is designed for 150W. Assuming they use the same gauge wiring on all the cables, it should be safe to pull 150W from each 6-pin's as well (both 6 and 8 pin connectors use only 3 positive wires). Though I suppose the PSU's internal connections could be poorly designed. The PSU can do a total of 500W on the single 12V rail, so I'd say you can probably run 8 K16's without problem.

Incorrect. The terminals are rated for 75W each (72Watt actual), this is why a 200W graphics card will have 2x6pin connectors for 150W plus the 75W from the PCI-e slot (~225W)
and 250W cards will have 8+6pin (the 8 pins (8 and 6+2) are rated for 150W, 6 pins are only 75W (72Watt actual)).

My point is that both 6-pin and 8-pin connectors use the same number of wires for the 12v line, so if they use the same quality wires for both 6-pin and 8-pin cables, then you can be sure the connector and cable can handle 150W on even the 6-pin connectors. As long as they tied all the 12v wires to the same mount point in the PSU, you're fine to pull 150W on the 6-pin's.

There is only 12V line on all PCI-E 6 and 8 pin connectors, and it's not ncessarily the wire that will catch fire/melt (unless low-gauge poor quality and long length), but the connector itself Wink

If Anyone tries to pull 150W from PCI-E 6 pin connector you MUST keep an eye on the connector temperature, preferably using a FLIR Thermal Camera. IT IS UNSAFE!

You've been warned!

Thats funny,my BFL 30GH'er pulls 130 watts+ & works just fine on a 6 pin PCIExpress cable & the cable nor connector are warm,hmmmmmm Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 07:13:50 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 05:42:20 PM

Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 05:31:03 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

One of those 4 connectors is a 6+2 pin, which is designed for 150W. Assuming they use the same gauge wiring on all the cables, it should be safe to pull 150W from each 6-pin's as well (both 6 and 8 pin connectors use only 3 positive wires). Though I suppose the PSU's internal connections could be poorly designed. The PSU can do a total of 500W on the single 12V rail, so I'd say you can probably run 8 K16's without problem.

Incorrect. The terminals are rated for 75W each (72Watt actual), this is why a 200W graphics card will have 2x6pin connectors for 150W plus the 75W from the PCI-e slot (~225W)
and 250W cards will have 8+6pin (the 8 pins (8 and 6+2) are rated for 150W, 6 pins are only 75W (72Watt actual)).

My point is that both 6-pin and 8-pin connectors use the same number of wires for the 12v line, so if they use the same quality wires for both 6-pin and 8-pin cables, then you can be sure the connector and cable can handle 150W on even the 6-pin connectors. As long as they tied all the 12v wires to the same mount point in the PSU, you're fine to pull 150W on the 6-pin's.

There is only 12V line on all PCI-E 6 and 8 pin connectors, and it's not ncessarily the wire that will catch fire/melt (unless low-gauge poor quality and long length), but the connector itself Wink

If Anyone tries to pull 150W from PCI-E 6 pin connector you MUST keep an eye on the connector temperature, preferably using a FLIR Thermal Camera. IT IS UNSAFE!

You've been warned!

150W on a 6-pin connector pulls about 4A through each of the 3 positive wires/pins. 150W on a 8-pin connector pulls about 4A through each of the 3 positive wires/pins. No difference. And usually the connectors are rated for much more than 4A per pin anyway. The question is are they using the same quality connector for both the 6-pin and 8-pin connectors on the same PSU. I assume they are.

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Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 05:42:20 PM

Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 05:31:03 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

One of those 4 connectors is a 6+2 pin, which is designed for 150W. Assuming they use the same gauge wiring on all the cables, it should be safe to pull 150W from each 6-pin's as well (both 6 and 8 pin connectors use only 3 positive wires). Though I suppose the PSU's internal connections could be poorly designed. The PSU can do a total of 500W on the single 12V rail, so I'd say you can probably run 8 K16's without problem.

Incorrect. The terminals are rated for 75W each (72Watt actual), this is why a 200W graphics card will have 2x6pin connectors for 150W plus the 75W from the PCI-e slot (~225W)
and 250W cards will have 8+6pin (the 8 pins (8 and 6+2) are rated for 150W, 6 pins are only 75W (72Watt actual)).

My point is that both 6-pin and 8-pin connectors use the same number of wires for the 12v line, so if they use the same quality wires for both 6-pin and 8-pin cables, then you can be sure the connector and cable can handle 150W on even the 6-pin connectors. As long as they tied all the 12v wires to the same mount point in the PSU, you're fine to pull 150W on the 6-pin's.

There is only 12V line on all PCI-E 6 and 8 pin connectors, and it's not ncessarily the wire that will catch fire/melt (unless low-gauge poor quality and long length), but the connector itself Wink

If Anyone tries to pull 150W from PCI-E 6 pin connector you MUST keep an eye on the connector temperature, preferably using a FLIR Thermal Camera. IT IS UNSAFE!

You've been warned!

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Quote from: Rakessh on November 07, 2013, 05:31:03 PM

Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

One of those 4 connectors is a 6+2 pin, which is designed for 150W. Assuming they use the same gauge wiring on all the cables, it should be safe to pull 150W from each 6-pin's as well (both 6 and 8 pin connectors use only 3 positive wires). Though I suppose the PSU's internal connections could be poorly designed. The PSU can do a total of 500W on the single 12V rail, so I'd say you can probably run 8 K16's without problem.

Incorrect. The terminals are rated for 75W each (72Watt actual), this is why a 200W graphics card will have 2x6pin connectors for 150W plus the 75W from the PCI-e slot (~225W)
and 250W cards will have 8+6pin (the 8 pins (8 and 6+2) are rated for 150W, 6 pins are only 75W (72Watt actual)).

My point is that both 6-pin and 8-pin connectors use the same number of wires for the 12v line, so if they use the same quality wires for both 6-pin and 8-pin cables, then you can be sure the connector and cable can handle 150W on even the 6-pin connectors. As long as they tied all the 12v wires to the same mount point in the PSU, you're fine to pull 150W on the 6-pin's.

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Quote from: Keefe on November 07, 2013, 04:10:49 PM

Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

One of those 4 connectors is a 6+2 pin, which is designed for 150W. Assuming they use the same gauge wiring on all the cables, it should be safe to pull 150W from each 6-pin's as well (both 6 and 8 pin connectors use only 3 positive wires). Though I suppose the PSU's internal connections could be poorly designed. The PSU can do a total of 500W on the single 12V rail, so I'd say you can probably run 8 K16's without problem.

Incorrect. The terminals are rated for 75W each (72Watt actual), this is why a 200W graphics card will have 2x6pin connectors for 150W plus the 75W from the PCI-e slot (~225W)
and 250W cards will have 8+6pin (the 8 pins (8 and 6+2) are rated for 150W, 6 pins are only 75W (72Watt actual)).

Edit: there are 8pin to 2x6pin splitters out there, which would be fine to split twice for use with Klondikes (4xKlondikes per 1x8pin branched out).

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Quote from: ionstorm on November 07, 2013, 03:52:06 PM

I have a Silverstone Strider Essential Series ST60F-ES, it has 4 PCIE connectors, if each PCI connector has only 75W and each klondike uses 60W wont I be able to only use 1 per connector rather than split each connector? I thought originally each Klondike would consume 32W, but steamboat says the F16 uses 60W. Any advice on this? Will I be able to power 8 K16's with this power supply or only 4

If you split each PCI-e power connector only once, you should be able to power 4 miners off of two pci-e connectors coming from your PSU.
You can also use molex->pci-e adapters and power more miners that way.

For 8 miners you should use a 650W 80Plus rated (Bronze,Silver,Gold etc) powersupply (will put you at about 50% load for max efficiency when hashing)

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It is so utterly utterly frustrating to look at this thread. I applied for a refund but apparently missed the deadline (that was never communicated). I paid to have my miners hosted, so now I'm watching people who have decided to have theirs shipped receive them and start mining with them. I don't understand why the hosting is not being sorted out sooner when clearly these units are working (to some degree) already. I know they are next to worthless now - perhaps this is why SB is dragging his heels on getting the hosting set up...

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