Topic: Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware - page 98. (Read 423279 times)

lol wrenchmonkey, thanks for clearing that up.

I actually tried to talk with Ragin a long time ago (before I bought into this groupbuy) as he was located only an hour and a half from my house. After reading between Ragins thread and Steamboat, I chose this one and havn't heard from Ragin since.

Sorry to hear that Ragin has disappeared completely, but I do not think thats what Steamboat will do. Other reason I like Steamboat was His previous posts , especially relating to him loaning BTC to other forum members.

If someone is willing to loan BTC to other members on the forum, I found that comforting.


Anyway, I don't know when a refund request becomes "final" but if there were other options, we would have seen them by now. I think its in Steamboats best interested if people took another option, besides full refund, as he will lose money in that venture unfortunately.

Hopefully we can put this behind us soon enough and start hashing, albeit many weeks after the fact.


kosta

yap, chi and chi(ps) are really important,lol

yifu quote:
Maybe it was typo, maybe he meant chips....

Just kidding of course  

I have requested chip refund (80) and signed the refund memo.

Well, again, it's ambiguous. I don't know WHAT the offer is. Sounds to me like once it's requested, it's final.


I would consider this option as well, provided the discount was enough to make ROI attainable. I bought into this group buy with the intent of seeing a return, or at least break-even. I'm not seeking a refund just because I changed my mind. I'm seeking a refund because the terms weren't met. If I can still be made whole then I'm willing to move forward.


As I stated above, at this point the refund is an attempt to minimize losses. Taking a 5% loss is more appealing than a 100% loss. But if there's a better option on the table, why wouldn't I want in on that?


You'll get no argument from me. If this is Yifu's idea of "No BS," I'd hate to see what he considers, just a little BS, or moderate BS, or extreme BS.  

Ultimately the responsibility for the deal rests on Yifu, and he's come up wanting.

That doesn't mean that SB's behavior in disappearing for several days with no word except emails saying "no refunds" to the few people who managed to elicit a response is an acceptable way to do business on SB's part either. Like I said, I think it reflects poorly on SB, but I'm over it at this point. It is what it is. Maybe he'd do things differently if he got a do-over. Maybe he has a legitimate excuse for doing what he did. But he's not sharing, so I can only go off of what I know, and what I know is that this type behavior is bad form for somebody who's got control of probably over a million bucks worth of other people's money; and that's bad business.

Maybe I'm a little more edgy about this disappearing bullshit than most though since Raginazin, who headed up another group buy I'm part of, pulled this disappearing act quite some time ago, and there's STILL no word back from him except some bullshit story about him feeling depressed (Unbalanced Chi, perhaps?).

I think it's fair to say that my anger toward Ragin has spilled over toward Steamboat, and I may have come off a little hotter than Steamboat deserved. Like I said, my Chi is much more balanced this morning than it has been the past couple of days.  

No, was posted yesterday.  You seem just quick to go off on your recent rants - you are no better than everyone whining.  You are basically whining about the whiners and is essentially the same thing you hate.  

Was probably posted while I was posting, I left it up for a bit. 

My post is not "holier than though".  I'm just tired of people getting so worked up about all of this.  Everyone and their mother has been told to "not invest more than you can lose" in bitcoin.  Mining is doubling down on risk.  It's a risky business.  I feel like there is a core of mature, level headed individuals in these threads and a bunch of screaming harpies.  If everyone would gather all of the info before grabbing pitchforks and shouting about how "unfair" life is, everything would go smoother.  All of this other noise just makes it harder to sort out what's really happening.

Believe it!  Our Gods will return soon enough  

Not sure if thats accurate wrenchmonkey. SB post said as of right now  he is giving us a refund option.

However, he also stated he is talking with Yifu to see if there are other workarounds to be had. I don't think thats SB not being communicative with us. He has to deal with Yifu and once those discussions are over, I am sure it will be explained to us. I also dont know if theres a second option in the future, if that means anything for SB and his "original offer" (i.e. you can choose your options at that point if BTC was not refunded yet).

Secondly wrenchmonkey, what other option could there be? The only one I see is a discount on Chips that get delivered. I will take that option (if it comes) as I am not seeking a refund. However, If you want a refund, why would you consider  a discount on those chips? Are you afraid that if Yifu decides to give us a discount you will lose out?

All in All, could have been avoided if everything was delivered on time given the "NO BS" terms of Avalon.


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kosta

It's ok, the coffee reference was priceless.

Having had the night to sleep on it, and 're-balance my Chi'  , I have calmed down a bit as well. I'm still not happy about SB's taking 5% off the top, but I'm calmed down and withdrawing my threats of legal action toward him at this point.

I still think it was cowardice Steamboat to disappear like he did, since he's not offering any explanation for why he did that; which is honestly what had me worked up to begin with. I think if he'd stayed in communique with everybody, instead of ditching the second things went a bit sour, it would've been better for everybody.

I have to wonder what it is that SB is hiding about his conversations with Yifu. He seems to be pretty bent on making sure that people are locked into taking a loss on their chips if they commit now. Wondering if, in fact, Yifu really IS willing to sweeten the pot, and Steamboat is keeping mum to try and skim more of that cream. Or if he was just trying to cast doubt to make people delay asking for refunds, until it's too late.

I'll give it another 24 hours and see if Yifu comes up with anything further.

I redacted my statement a few posts later, maybe YOU should learn to read and stop posting your holier than though non constructive posts.

For those interested in some other things SB has been working on, You can go over to the klondike thread where early on he and his group built and supplied the heatsink design that bkk was using during testing. It also looks like he's been working with Kano on getting K16 support into the 'normal' cgminer (this is a really big deal for those of us running multiple kinds of hardware on the same box).

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3080294

Just thought some of you getting bogged down in this thread might find these details interesting if you hadn't seen em. Even if you're getting your chips done elsewhere these actions benefit a large portion of the community.

Tell me one. SebastianJu only gave 95% back aswell. just as steamboat will.

powpow, you make a good point.


I think we all just need to relax (myself included) . If anyone lives in the NY/NJ area I'm will to buy the first round !! (obviously I don't mean this exact minute, but in the next week or so if anyone is truly interested). Round could be liquor/coffee/tea


Kosta

I'm about to just close this thread out and move on, nothing relevant posted here anymore and updates come via e-mail.  If I was steamboat I would refuse refunds to everyone who isn't happy with the modified terms of a 5% fee.  They can have the original terms, no refund -- enjoy your chips (when you get them).

Yes, that is I want to say and thanks for agreeing with me.

Further,
I addmit that I was concerned about Steamboat lack of communication this last days. But now I feel better and think that Steve is working on solution with bitsyncom and even consider legal action if things does not work out. Steve has shown that he is serius and feel that he will make us right and for his mining hardware business and in future.

I was part of SebastianJu's groupbuy aswell. I can confirm I got 95% of purchase price back (including the 10% markup).
Which is more than i asked for. I was fine with him keeping the 9.9% he charged as agreed.
I don't know how zefir handled it. maybe he only paid back 100% of the chip purchase cost price, which would indicate he kept the entire markup.

Sorry alfabitcoin, but not sure I follow? Do you mean if Yifu stated this Delay when the orders went in? IF thats what your saying, then yes I agree with you. Things could have been scheduled more appropriately and could have perhaps allowed ourselves to get better refund options from SB.

I wish that was the case too, as I was expecting to be hashing already and cleaned out my damn office for my boards (I'm a linux engineer and tend to be messy)

If yifu has announced chip delay I am sure steamboat and other would reestimate assambly project and parts purchase. Yifu has announced begining of Semptember that chips are shipping by mid of Sept (lie) and then dissapeared till end of August! He has clearly fucked up and only one word and post from yifu of mostlikely delay would save steamboat a lot of money (funded with assambly preorder) and effort! And now does he offer anything to diy comunity? What about our chi, sb chi, all the buyers chi?

lol  @sneef. Let me fall on my sword, so you can survive.


SB is not Avalon. SB was not the one that failed us here and should be compensated for his time spent on this.

For example, I just had to pay someone to Inspect a house I wanted to buy, and after the inspection, and several hundred dollars later, Had to back out of my contract with the Homeowner.


Should I now tell the Inspector, well I didn't get the house so Im not going to pay you? Absolutely not. If I did that, He would be suing me!


SB was acting as a broker of sorts. We wanted to buy from Yifu, but none of us wanted to buy 10,000 chips at once.


kosta