Livecoin is a shady exchange, Yobit is not - page 2.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 01, 2019, 04:34:05 PM

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Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

I would rather they have no manager, or a very poor manager.

I have no issue with people promoting Yobit, because as I said most people don't have problems with them. They just don't address customer problems like they should, which is a stupid move on their part--and who knows, maybe they do it on purpose to scam a little here and there. I wouldn't put it past them, but I really don't know.

As far as their campaign goes, I would much rather see it with a good manager like Yahoo62278 than have a repeat performance of last time. Everybody loses in a case like that--people get banned, Yobit loses their advertising, and the forum gets spammed. No winners there.

There is a flag against YoBit that explains why it is dangerous to do business with them. Reasons include a history of YoBit conducting what appears to be something similar to Pump and Dump schemes on coins traded on their exchange.

As I explained, YoBit being unable to advertise is the key feature because of my belief they are untrustworthy and shady. The people who get banned are those who are spammers, which I also see as a feature. The YoBit spam is not as bad as it was before, however I have noticed a lot of useless posts by people advertising for YoBit, even if they do not qualify to get deleted/removed. With the spam not being as flagrant as before, we will see continued spam, instead of only a couple of days of spam.

I also found this post:

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oE7dAXf2tuKCtbpoc9Xx66qcCjWwbArnXlkuFQq-wcs/edit?usp=sharing Just posting this here for the record. These users are willing to support Livecoin and have made it on my own personal blacklist.

Any user on this list may be removed if they remove their application in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/open-livecoinnet-signature-campaign-herolegendary-weekly-up-to-01btc-5166711 this thread and pm me showing it is removed. Users in this list have 72 hours to do so, or they remain on the blacklist permanently. July 23rd 6:20 am is the deadline

Given that both LiveCoin and YoBit have active flags with a lot of support, I am curious why LiveCoin advertisers were added to a blacklist, while YoBit advertisers are not.

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Meh.

Until theymos blacklist signatures once and for all, who really cares?

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Quote from: erikalui on October 02, 2019, 12:10:34 PM

Not exactly. The same reason why banks start freezing accounts of some and cheat some but not all and are still operating legally.

And you think Yobit does this shit legally? Like just turning offline all wallets of a specific coin, making everyone have their coins stuck for months?

Quote from: erikalui on October 02, 2019, 12:10:34 PM

Bounty campaigns here have done the same wherein they paid some and not others giving excuses. I would call these banks and campaigns fraudulent but others won't as they did not behave the same way with them.

Yeah man, and usually these get called a scam and receive a nice negative trust.

Quote from: erikalui on October 02, 2019, 12:10:34 PM

Every exchange has the same history and I myself withdrew my BTC earnings via yobit by selling my coins and I know many users did not for God knows what reasons. I wouldn't consider using them at times but since they paid me, I might take a risk with few shitcoins which are worthless otherwise.

No, it does not.

"Many users did not [receive their withdrawals] for God knows what reasons", but... Yobit can't be considered a scam exchange. Nice.

Quote from: erikalui on October 02, 2019, 12:10:34 PM

Till Yahoo is managing the campaign, I feel everyone who deserves being paid will be paid. I don't see such a situation possible till Yahoo exists. Else, earlier we had nobody and hence yobit took advantage.

You do know that everything Yahoo is doing is banning the users who spamburst/shitpost, right? He doesn't count posts nor pay people. This is on Yobit and their shadiness.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on October 02, 2019, 12:12:30 PM

Quote from: The-One-Above-All on October 02, 2019, 12:03:39 PM

Your point seems unclear, can you clarify?

Are you saying you should be allowed to advertise for scammers if certain people tell you it is okay?

The initial poster of course has a very valid point.

Yahoo seems to be primarily concerned with making money. Or is he offering this service for free ?

Sory, my dear friend, i'm full of russian local board trolls, so starting to flame with english famous troll it's beyond my powers.

But, about my last word i'll give a clarification to you.
In fact, as i said here - no one promotes yobit. People promotes Cryptotalk org. Do you have any proofs that cryptotalk is scam?

Have you not heard proof is one of those thing you should not wait for. Ask DT members, by the time you have proof then it is already too late? that is their mantra?

I am happy that we await proof before jumping to negative action personally. I am only pointing out clearly, that proof is only required IF IT DOES NOT STOP DT OR SCAMPAIGN MANAGERS EARNING MONEY.

Yobit are not a terrible scam compared to some. However, they are totally out of control turning off wallets and not updating wallets after years of being requested to do so. It can be thought of perhaps as a semi scam in the context of other REAL SCAMS like huge exit scams etc.

Please take up you disagreement with DT members. They say waiting for proof is folly and a ridiculous idea. Any probable connection to scamming or scams or even just whistle blowing is enough for a scam tag.

For that reason then yahoo should not be assisting them.

I mean is live coin worse than yobit? not in our books. Hhampuz left (under pressure, partly in fact due to yahoos comments about them) so this is a little confusing? then again double standards make things confusing don't they.

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Quote from: The-One-Above-All on October 02, 2019, 12:03:39 PM

Your point seems unclear, can you clarify?

Are you saying you should be allowed to advertise for scammers if certain people tell you it is okay?

The initial poster of course has a very valid point.

Yahoo seems to be primarily concerned with making money. Or is he offering this service for free ?

Sory, my dear friend, i'm full of russian local board trolls, so starting to flame with english famous troll it's beyond my powers.

But, about my last word i'll give a clarification to you.
In fact, as i said here - no one promotes yobit. People promotes Cryptotalk org. Do you have any proofs that cryptotalk is scam?

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Quote from: TryNinja on October 02, 2019, 10:31:34 AM

Selectively paying out people isn't considered scam for you?

Not exactly. The same reason why banks start freezing accounts of some and cheat some but not all and are still operating legally. Bounty campaigns here have done the same wherein they paid some and not others giving excuses. I would call these banks and campaigns fraudulent but others won't as they did not behave the same way with them.

Every exchange has the same history and I myself withdrew my BTC earnings via yobit by selling my coins and I know many users did not for God knows what reasons. I wouldn't consider using them at times but since they paid me, I might take a risk with few shitcoins which are worthless otherwise.

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What I can see it happening is they putting something like X BTC every week/month which can easily run out (due to the amount of participants flooding the forum with 15~20 posts day all that suddenly) and some people will get paid, while others won't. I believe this happened in their old campaign (older than their first appear here this year).

Till Yahoo is managing the campaign, I feel everyone who deserves being paid will be paid. I don't see such a situation possible till Yahoo exists. Else, earlier we had nobody and hence yobit took advantage.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on October 02, 2019, 10:55:30 AM

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Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 05:18:18 PM

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

What is not correct?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=406594

Ehhm. Do you see in flag support or maybe in trust ratings nicknames "mindrust", "ETFbitcoin", "The Pharmacist"? Or who is DT member also and had written before my post were made.

In fact, I just can't to catch someone in double standarts just because in fact we doing promotion of another crypto forum and not Yobit itself.

Your point seems unclear, can you clarify?

Are you saying you should be allowed to advertise for scammers if certain people tell you it is okay?

The initial poster of course has a very valid point.

Yahoo seems to be primarily concerned with making money. Or is he offering this service for free ?

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In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

What is not correct?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=406594

Ehhm. Do you see in flag support or maybe in trust ratings nicknames "mindrust", "ETFbitcoin", "The Pharmacist"? Or who is DT member also and had written before my post were made.

In fact, I just can't to catch someone in double standarts just because in fact we doing promotion of another crypto forum and not Yobit itself.

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Quote from: erikalui on October 02, 2019, 10:23:13 AM

The fact that Yobit did not prove to be an out-and-out scam and livecoin too hasn't been proved a scam exchange. Scam exchange would mean not paying any user like Cryptopia. Yobit can be considered shady (selectively paying out some and not the others) but not a complete scam and now as well yobit is paying out its participants without imposing any new rules or refusing payments which many members are taking advantage of as well.

Selectively paying out people isn't considered scam for you?

Maybe I should start asking for loans in the forum. Pay only a few of them, and start getting called out for being "shady". Roll Eyes

Quote from: erikalui on October 02, 2019, 10:23:13 AM

The campaign anyways won't last long paying off 100+ members so I don't see an issue here but many members can end up getting banned as most of them are just spamming. It's again not something that can be termed illegal, fraudulent or scammy.

What I can see it happening is they putting something like X BTC every week/month which can easily run out (due to the amount of participants flooding the forum with 15~20 posts day all that suddenly) and some people will get paid, while others won't. I believe this happened in their old campaign (older than their first appear here this year).

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The fact that Yobit did not prove to be an out-and-out scam and livecoin too hasn't been proved a scam exchange. Scam exchange would mean not paying any user like Cryptopia. Yobit can be considered shady (selectively paying out some and not the others) but not a complete scam and now as well yobit is paying out its participants without imposing any new rules or refusing payments which many members are taking advantage of as well.

The campaign anyways won't last long paying off 100+ members so I don't see an issue here but many members can end up getting banned as most of them are just spamming. It's again not something that can be termed illegal, fraudulent or scammy.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 06:51:51 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on October 01, 2019, 06:05:09 PM

Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 05:18:18 PM

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

What is not correct?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=406594

Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 06:51:51 PM

Please, read more attentively my post.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobit-scam-accusation-megathread-normal-modus-operandi-or-shady-practices-5134358.

Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 06:51:51 PM

I understand that you need to make your weekly post count, but this doesn't mean that you can spam here with nonsense.

That must be it.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 01, 2019, 04:34:05 PM

I have no issue with people promoting Yobit, because as I said most people don't have problems with them. They just don't address customer problems like they should, which is a stupid move on their part--and who knows, maybe they do it on purpose to scam a little here and there. I wouldn't put it past them, but I really don't know.

As far as their campaign goes, I would much rather see it with a good manager like Yahoo62278 than have a repeat performance of last time. Everybody loses in a case like that--people get banned, Yobit loses their advertising, and the forum gets spammed. No winners there.

it all depends on which angle we look to this "problem".
This is not a signature campaign which directly promotes Yobit exchange and his service. It is the promotion of a new forum, named "cryptotalk" and they use Yobit just as a payment processor.
Everybody's talking about Yobit, cryptotalk.org we visited two-three times (my case) even though it is actually being advertised.
I have to admit that everything is well done by the marketing side.

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Quote from: marlboroza on October 01, 2019, 06:05:09 PM

Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 05:18:18 PM

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

What is not correct?

Quote from: marlboroza on October 01, 2019, 06:05:09 PM

second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

Please, read more attentively my post. I understand that you need to make your weekly post count, but this doesn't mean that you can spam here with nonsense. I quoted shitty statements and just clarify them, so your "second" is not applicable to any word in my post.

Quote from: marlboroza on October 01, 2019, 06:05:09 PM

don't fucking care if something is "against the law"

Quote out of context. I knew that one day someone will try to use it as an argument. In reality, it was about the fact that i don't accept arguments like "this is against the law" because the law is very different from country to country. In some countries "against the law" is do not kill fallen woman (in meaning woman that suck not only husband's cock) in some freedom of speech is "against the law" or freedom of existence to some nations.
And also it was in speech about "I will not follow their ToS because in my country it's against the law, ha ha" so i just told that i don't accept argument's like "this is against the law" because it's shitty statement. One day, in the future cryptocurrencies can become "against the law"

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Quote from: johhnyUA on October 01, 2019, 05:18:18 PM

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

So, pump and dump is fraud, ponzi is fraud and people do lose money, but this is not important because you:

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don't fucking care if something is "against the law"

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Livecoin is definitely a shady exchange. A while back, I signed up with Livecoin just to test it out as a secondary exchange, and I bought a small amount of crypto, and when I came back I didn't find them. So I went to go through the history transactions and because it was a while back I couldn't see anything because they don't show you old history. I contacted support and their response was something along the lines of "your transactions and balances were more than 30 days old, and we can not do anything".

Never using them. Thank goodness they were never my primary exchange.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on October 01, 2019, 04:34:05 PM

Quote from: mindrust on October 01, 2019, 01:51:34 PM

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account. If they were that dumb I am pretty sure that account would have been flashing red already.

That's not the only difference. I do recall the scam accusation against Livecoin, and it looked like they were an out-and-out scam exchange, unlike Yobit where most users have no problem. I'm loathe to stick up for Yobit even though I've used them and they've never scammed me, because I'm aware of all the accusations against them--but they've been around a long time and I don't think they're a true scam exchange like so many others.

Shit, you really like you live in some weird reality (or just creating post for your signature campaign). You're talking about things, that don't have any attitude to reality, really.

Show me other people who suffered from Livecoin. You should understand that i'm from russian board and in topics about Livecoin in our board there were many multiaccounts (they were red tagged by oir DT members) who just crying like "Omg, we suffer, our money were stolen!!!11" but in fact they were operated by one man.

Also, Livecoin still works (the same as Yobit)

In fact, i don't consider neither Livecoin or Yobit as scams, so i don't see in Yahoo's deeds anything bad.
But it's funny to see people which were crying like "Yobit scam", "Livecoin scam", "Livecoin the same as yobit - scams" now using Putin style replic like "mnyah mnyah..... do you understand..... plyamk.... difference.... ehehem.... not the same.... our yahoo partners (allusion to "our western partners).... we keeep watching...... plyamk"

Shame on you! (c)

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In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

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Quote from: unibitcoinist on October 01, 2019, 01:45:45 PM

Double Standard?

No, not at all, it is all in your head.

Yahoo would never help promote service which is setting one ponzi ICO after another, people would never defend someone who is promoting service marked as pump-and-dump scheme, all scam accusations against them are just part of your imagination, besides, good manager can make all bad things to go away, because they are not that bad.

Eventually, you will have bitcointalk forum filled with people who will say this or this:

Quote from: coin-investor on April 26, 2019, 02:13:53 PM

I received an email that they are going to do IEO, this is not good and not recommended for traders, we all know it's reputation they are ban in this forum, they are the exchange that has the most number of traders that scammed traders, who know you will become its next victim, because they are very notorious.

...and at the same time they won't have any problem to receive payouts from them, well, maybe that payout came, as coin-investor said, from "most number of traders that scammed traders", or maybe just from IEO which is "not good and not recommended", or maybe just from market manipulation, like magneto said. But that is ok, as long as manager keeps this forum spam free Roll Eyes

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Quote from: mindrust on October 01, 2019, 01:51:34 PM

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account. If they were that dumb I am pretty sure that account would have been flashing red already.

That's not the only difference. I do recall the scam accusation against Livecoin, and it looked like they were an out-and-out scam exchange, unlike Yobit where most users have no problem. I'm loathe to stick up for Yobit even though I've used them and they've never scammed me, because I'm aware of all the accusations against them--but they've been around a long time and I don't think they're a true scam exchange like so many others.

It's also worth noting that many scam accusations against Yobit were never followed up on, so there's no way of knowing if they got resolved.

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Quote from: actmyname on October 01, 2019, 01:53:37 PM

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

I would rather they have no manager, or a very poor manager.

I have no issue with people promoting Yobit, because as I said most people don't have problems with them. They just don't address customer problems like they should, which is a stupid move on their part--and who knows, maybe they do it on purpose to scam a little here and there. I wouldn't put it past them, but I really don't know.

As far as their campaign goes, I would much rather see it with a good manager like Yahoo62278 than have a repeat performance of last time. Everybody loses in a case like that--people get banned, Yobit loses their advertising, and the forum gets spammed. No winners there.

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Quote from: unibitcoinist on October 01, 2019, 01:45:45 PM

Yahoo has blcklisted the users who promoted Livecoin.

Yahoo made amnesty to all users from his past blacklist. It was very good and smart act, because i know that some people were there since bitmixer.io signature campaign (it was in late 2016 or in the yearly-middle of 2017) without any weighty reason, just because admin of bitmixer.io asked to do that (for honest, i don't remember true reason, but i know that for many russian local members it was not true)

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 01, 2019, 03:05:53 PM

Livecoin got back my support after they did the best they could in resolving the accusations against them i.e returning the seized money and gave the affected user access to his account.

In fact, flag of izoomrud untrue any longer after they unblocked his account and gave his money back to him (except those that were "invested" in MONA, but this is his fault to buy shitcoins). But as we see, many people still support it.

Now he is keep trolling in russian local board with new "cool stories".

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Quote from: actmyname on October 01, 2019, 01:53:37 PM

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

I would rather they have no manager, or a very poor manager.

The above would mean a few days of spam, followed by YoBit having their signatures blacklisted and being unable to advertise. It would also mean a bunch of spammers would get banned.

The status quo means that a shady business can advertise and many people with questionable ethics and profiting from advertising a company that is reasonably a scammer with impunity.

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