Lives vs Economy -- sad truth - page 4.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on June 25, 2020, 10:44:46 PM

In my opinion saving lives is no priority, everyone has the same rights. If your country prioritizes productive people, for economic reasons
it has violated human rights. The way of life of humans should not be like that, but sometimes some countries did do that. In my country
the same, but the difference in priorities in my country is based on social status. If the person rich people are definitely preferred, this is
a sad fact.

BuNga_cute not everyone has the same rights, and not all lives are priority. Some people risk their lives every day on their jobs
and do not recieve big reward for that. Virus is additional risk, but we can put all the people in the same basket. Some people know
how to deal with it, and they have to provide food for their family.
BuNga_cute when we know that rich people are protected, we can say that not all people are in the same situation. Some of us
have to work no matter what!

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In my opinion saving lives is no priority, everyone has the same rights. If your country prioritizes productive people, for economic reasons
it has violated human rights. The way of life of humans should not be like that, but sometimes some countries did do that. In my country
the same, but the difference in priorities in my country is based on social status. If the person rich people are definitely preferred, this is
a sad fact.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on June 21, 2020, 09:30:32 AM

As we are dealing with the pandemic, the virus disease is prone to old citizens they have a weaker immune system than an average person and young adults although we also have a lot of cases of them too but there are more people who ages 40+ in the tallied cases. The sad truth is that some of them are not getting attention from the hospitals, why? because they prioritize a person based on its age, why? because it would be more worthy if you save a productive person over an old and weak person. The government is really doing this for the economy in the future days.

We really have to deal with deaths, it is part of living Cry

they are only trying to sacrifice the least to gain the greatest benefit. Nobody wants their loved ones to die, but that's the best problem. If the economy cannot operate again in the next 1-2 months, the whole country will be in economic crisis and then more people will die. Sometimes we have to understand the long-term plan and sympathize with the difficulties that the government needs to shoulder. It is best for the elderly to stay home and follow strict epidemic prevention regulations, and their sense of self will save them.

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I don't think that's true,,because every persons life is precious and government is trying to save everyone, but unfortunately not all patients are given immediate relief due to lack of facilities and patient volume. Even though they wanted to save every one

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Medicine has learned to diagnose and track viruses very clearly. Up to 650 thousand people die from influenza every year, and 500 thousand people died from coronavirus. I think that if this pandemic had happened 5-7 years ago, it would not have been noticed, because medicine could not diagnose the spread around the world so quickly. I think we are all now hostages of scientific progress. Humanity has always lived with viruses, but could not diagnose them so quickly. We will have to accept the fact that viruses were there and will be.

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Is that really the truth? Where do you based this from? Are there articles saying that hospitals prioritize people ages 40 below than those who are "old"people? I don't think that is true.

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The truth is there's no way the government can save lives if they will not take care of the economy.

It maybe not good to see that they are opening the business as it might result to increase of virus infections, but they don't have the choice, people will suffer and we will just die in hunger. They need to choose, so we need to be responsible and face the problem seriously, when the government say stay at home as elders and children can easily get affected, they should follow.

We can't blame the government here, no matter what will happen, blaming would not change anything, it should be us who are taking care of ourselves and following the rules of the government.

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Care to show the proofs of this sad truth? If it was something like a driving accident where a lot of people were injured, an earthquake that made a building collapse, or some big event where a lot of people got injured, yes, this sad truth speaks it all. They tag people with regards to how their situation is, whether they can be saved or not, but this situation with the Covid-19? Dude, there isn't even a fix for it. Most of the time, the illness just gets destroyed by the antibodies in our body, and that isn't the fault of the hospital or whoever. It's just the natural way our bodies work. It's not that the government is letting them die, it's that they don't really have much they can help with in terms of letting them recover. It's not like making them chug vitamins would help them or anything.

If you were talking about the rich and the poor, it'd be a different case tbh. But if it's based on age? Don't think so.

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It's the system, for poor people you have shit health care, for people with money you can enjoy luxury hospitals with all the care you need, nurses and doctors smile at you and your room is like in 5 star hotel.
What did we really expect? It was like this before and it's like that now. This is why we need some changes, a better system where carrying will not depend on money in your pocket. Are we capable to make some changes, or we will leave that to some future generations to deal with?

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It's not even a matter of doing it for the future of the economy. In some places there are too many cases to the extent that hospitals can't handle them. I don't even know how you got to know that hospitals don't give attention to the old people, unless that's how they are doing in your country where you're living. The only thing I know is that they might not accept you when your case is not up to the level of being critical. There are people that get infected and are told to stay home, while those in critical condition are given a bed in the hospital.

Many governments opted to go with economy rather than following lockdown restrictions to save and protect their people from covid19 infections. One supporting fact for their decision could be, those infected people are getting cured in less than 10 days compared earlier 14 to 20 days of hospitalization. It means severity of vocid19 virus is decreasing along with its mutation. So, I guess there cannot be 100% wrong on governments' decision on relaxing lockdown.

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Virus is killing so many people day by day it's increasing. Now a days here in my country doctors nurses nobody are bothering about the patients. Doctors give 5 tablets per day dats it. Patients themselves should clean the room and toilet. Nobody are bothered about it. Economy has gone down now the prices have increased.

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Quote from: Rulelies on June 23, 2020, 05:20:53 PM

The people are just looking at it from one sad. Lives are important no doubt but economy too is very important. If the economy drops a lot of people will lose their jobs, no food and many more. Also people will die if the economy drops badly. So if you are taking into consideration lives also look at economy.

people wont die instantly and so as the economy , it wont collapse instantly but if you see a dying patient and i you will ignore it , he/she can die instantly . so whats more important ? for me its bettef if we can save lives first and dont look at one side only because thats bad and that can bring more karma to you or the business that your working with . god sees all what we do on the land . economy will be nothing too without people because people are dying due to our selfishness .

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The people are just looking at it from one sad. Lives are important no doubt but economy too is very important. If the economy drops a lot of people will lose their jobs, no food and many more. Also people will die if the economy drops badly. So if you are taking into consideration lives also look at economy.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 23, 2020, 05:35:51 AM

No, we can't choose, it should be balance, we save lives and we save our economy.

What would happen if the economy falls? of course it will result to unemployment, hunger, chaos and then war, it's like the end of the a good country.
Together we can save lives through proper education and we can follow the measures, lastly, the economy does not need to stop in order to save lives.

Corona virus pandemic becomes even more rampant even these past few days. But this should not be the reason to stop living even the old and weak people that are mostly affected. We all deserve to have a balance treatment particularly in receiving health care. And i do believe that we should not stop here. Our government is trying to help us but it would not be enough so we should still be working on our respective jobs so that we will not be left feeling hungry and suffering those consequences.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on June 21, 2020, 09:51:34 AM

There is no priority in saving an individual life -age,social status, background- give a proof if you have one that shows there is, health workers are under oath to save life's and every life matters, the world is concerned about the elderly ones at this pandemic time -although if do the basic things, get regular exercise, eat healthy there immune can be strong-. There are malls/stores in the US that have special shopping times for elderly citizens alone.

Absolutely and i somehow believe this pandemic issues is calling the world attention to regular exercising and eat healthy food because 75% of all the people in the world eat healthy which the US is not among the top 10 healthiest acountries as research says.

Quote from: BIT-BENDER on June 21, 2020, 09:51:34 AM

A vaccine might never come or might come late, what our defense would be is our immunity,- old or young-.

About the vaccine, i think WHO are not doing their job very well because a vaccine was detected in the UK but no update was said about it.

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Even if that is happening in one country, it doesn't mean the other country will do the same because every human life who infect the virus needs to be saved. No matter if that is young people or old people, they need to be prioritized, so the doctor can start to cure those people. But perhaps, that is not what we think because I guess that not all hospitals can do that for all of the patients, and unfortunately, we don't know that is happening until the patients' family reports that things to the government. I hope if the paramedic doesn't do the right thing, they will get a warning from the hospital, and they will get punishment if they don't prioritize all Covid-19 patients.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on June 21, 2020, 09:30:32 AM

they prioritize a person based on its age, why? because it would be more worthy if you save a productive person over an old and weak person. The government is really doing this for the economy in the future days.

It is true that governments value citizens of working age, those who 'contribute' to the economy, a lot more than they value older people who have contributed in the past, but are now retired.
But it goes much deeper than that.
This pandemic would have had a much smaller effect if governments around the world had implemented lockdowns much earlier, as soon as it became apparent what was happening in China... but they didn't, the 'cost' of shutting down the economy briefly was deemed unacceptable, and so governments gambled with the lives of their citizens instead, in the hope that they could escape relatively economically unscathed.
Obviously what happened is that the virus expanded dramatically everywhere, and governments then had to implement much longer and more stringent lockdowns than would have been the case had they acted earlier. In the end, they took a huge death toll and a huge economic hit... all because they didn't want to risk that smaller initial economic hit of a brief precautionary lockdown.

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No, we can't choose, it should be balance, we save lives and we save our economy.

What would happen if the economy falls? of course it will result to unemployment, hunger, chaos and then war, it's like the end of the a good country.
Together we can save lives through proper education and we can follow the measures, lastly, the economy does not need to stop in order to save lives.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on June 21, 2020, 09:30:32 AM

The sad truth is that some of them are not getting attention from the hospitals, why? because they prioritize a person based on its age, why? because it would be more worthy if you save a productive person over an old and weak person. The government is really doing this for the economy in the future days.

I have read an article at around March-April I think and it is saying that this happened to Italy. Most of the old persons are remain unattended while they focus on the younger ones. I don't know if this is true but I don't want to assume that this is true and right now it seems that they've controlled it already although there is still some cases on the country, it is not like 2-3 months ago where the healthcare system of the country can't cope up.

Anyway regarding to what you are saying, can you give some proofs that this is really what they are doing. It might possibly true but you are just telling an assumption and what you are saying doesn't have any proofs. I have read in some pages in Facebook saying that there will be a time where depopulation will happen. This is just a conspiracy theory but if you will analyze, it will help the world for a long run. We have limited resources right now and in the next years, there will be a time where the amount of food supply can't cope up with the number of people around the world.

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Quote from: GeorgeJohn on June 22, 2020, 09:26:17 AM

Quote from: Sanugarid on June 21, 2020, 09:30:32 AM

As we are dealing with the pandemic, the virus disease is prone to old citizens they have a weaker immune system than an average person and young adults part

This pandemic according the author,this virus is not prone to the old citizens base on immune system, the virus is for everyone living it does not differentiate any one,a new born baby is the immune system not strong, 1 year old baby contacted corona virus.
Brotherly the virus is base on the environment we find our selves.close contact with affected one.

We all know that when we grow older, our immune systems are weakening and young people have stronger immune system. But no one is safe when it comes to this virus, no matter how old you are, the Covid-19 can still make you sick once you get it. But there are reports which the baby that was infected by the virus is already a Covid-19 survivor.

Our government should really prioritize the health sector and focus on supporting it with most of the budgets that we have. I know that economic crisis is also a problem but we should take care of the lives of our people.

We should take care of ourselves and our family once we engage with our environment and obey the "new normal" that there is still a virus out there. This pandemic will surely end, and we'll get through this.

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