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Loss aversion is a cognitive bias in humans that shows that we tend to avoid losses more than we desire profits (twice as much). We avoid the confrontation of feeling that comes with loss, therefore taking more risk to chase losses.
Actually no one is ever happy losing, the goal is to gamble for fun Parhaps on a good day a the gambler will luckily win big and his story will change. But in most cases the gambler become the opposite of himself thereby given testimony of how he moved from being a responsible person to an inresponsible person due to gambling. The reason people chase lose more than win is due to the high chance of losing a strict. Because most guys will come with $500 gamble all and will be left with $10 now they don't border to win the casino but struggle to win back there loses and this case people to chase loses.

Casinos use this to trap you in a vicious circle of addiction. They will give you loss-back/rake-back in the quantity, which might not have enough appeal for you to withdraw, especially after a big loss (which enabled that loss back). They will do this either by giving you your loss back or rake back in small installments (daily, weekly, or monthly) instead of giving you a lump sum amount one time. It is not that they cannot give you more, but they will deliberately do this because they want you to play with that amount and take bigger risks.
If you ask me I will say casino don't use it as a trap Afterall its a programmed machine not a human, but rather people trap themselves to addiction. For example casino doesn't look for people, rather people look for it. Secondly casino don't detect for you how long you will continue to gamble when you have lost too often. It is your legal and or personal righ to gamble as little as you can, and leave the premises when you are not getting what you required. So how can you explain this to casino trapping people? In summary gambling addiction is %90 the fault of human not casino.


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I don't understand this. If losing money is painful for you, why do you continue? Sounds irrational to me.
Start playing in a casino only if you are okay with losing what you have allocated for the game. You shouldn't even start otherwise. Also, I disagree with the notion associated with loss aversion that "the pain of losing $100 is often far greater than the joy gained in finding the same amount". How can you compare pain and joy? They're entirely different experiences.

Losing money is painful to almost everyone whether it happens within or outside your pre ascribed bank roll. The question that why people gamble has various answers in psychology (dopamine, adrenaline etc.). Here we are discussing one of the major factors which can lead a fun and entertaining [even money making {poker, sports etc.}]  activity towards an addiction.
I think I agree to what "Betwrong" said, because judging by the popular saying we usually use in the gambling community (i.e Gamble what you can always afford to lose), it simply means if an individual was able to gamble $100, it automatically means he or she was willing and able to afford to lose that exact amount of money, of which I see no difference on which will be more painful or happier, inasmuch as it's the same amount of money that is either lost or won while gambling. Hence, inasmuch as everybody wants to win more while gambling, for me, I think when an equal amount is involved, the level of dopamine or adrenaline is literally at equilibrium.

Thanks for agreeing with me, but I want point out that when someone allocates $100 for gambling, he/she can lose it, yes, but regarding winning it can be much more than that. Say you play slots and bet $0.20 at a time and after 200-300 rolls you hit 1,000x. Your win is $200 then, right, so, maybe it's worth taking that into account when talking about Loss Aversion. Is the pain of losing $100 far greater than the joy gained in winning $200? And what about $2,000 if the multiplier was 10,000x?
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On a norm you can't detects and factor out when you gets addicted to gambling and to that which you constantly does at your own will time or spare time, that's why gambling and not setting limits to gamble is actually very risky and a bad habit to show easy way to addictions. And again anyone who are able to control greed can actually reduced the rate at which addiction shows in them.
It's true what you said friend, gambling without any set limits is bad behavior because it will only make us addicted to gambling, besides we know that when someone is addicted it will be difficult to get out, some cases that occur with those who are addicted and want to recover some even ask for help from experts such as psychologists, this can actually help but in my opinion it does not guarantee that they can recover for sure because the main point is in themselves, if they are still not wholeheartedly not to stay away from gambling it will be just as difficult even if helped by an expert.

For those who can control themselves such as being able to control their emotions, or greed and their mindset towards gambling, then the gambling activities they do do not need to be too worried about because the possibility of the impact of addiction will not occur because of the set limits.
For sure limit is an important integral of gambling because when gambling without taking precaution of your limit or located a specific amount to gamble with always land in fund mismanagement, but when there is limit and the limit is exhausted or is reached you would have to wait for that period or which you set to refill your gambling fund again with this, you wouldn't gambling uncontrollably rather you will gamble responsibly because there is a limit for it and it will also help reduce the eagerness want need and or worry over making a specific winning from the casino or the betting site which you are always, and often gambling from.
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Loss aversion is a cognitive bias in humans that shows that we tend to avoid losses more than we desire profits (twice as much). We avoid the confrontation of feeling that comes with loss, therefore taking more risk to chase losses.

Casinos use this to trap you in a vicious circle of addiction. They will give you loss-back/rake-back in the quantity, which might not have enough appeal for you to withdraw, especially after a big loss (which enabled that loss back). They will do this either by giving you your loss back or rake back in small installments (daily, weekly, or monthly) instead of giving you a lump sum amount one time. It is not that they cannot give you more, but they will deliberately do this because they want you to play with that amount and take bigger risks. After you lose that rake-back/loss-back, you will have an urge (twice as strong) to deposit and win back the lost amount (this is especially true if you are new to gambling), taking a higher risk to avoid the intra-confrontation with the fact that you have just lost x amount. The majority will lose again and again; some will even develop a defense mechanism to not even think about their big losses and continue focusing on depositing more money to cover losses.

This cognitive bias has some deep-rooted genesis in human psychology because of how we evolved. A shortage of food is more lethal than the happiness that comes with excessive food.

I am posting this because understanding this concept helps me become more responsible with my decision-making, and it might be helpful to you as well. I am eager to know opinions of other wise members.
 
You will find it quite helpful; https://insidebe.com/articles/loss-aversion/




Indeed, this has become a rampant issues nowadays and most people with gambling problems correlates to emotional go beyond control. They overlooked themselves thinking that gambling wrong decisions became the norms despite of thinking much more important reasons like of basic necessities rather than wants. If a person desires for more money instead of self sustaining demands, maybe that's an alarming case for someone and seriously been affected with gambling addiction.
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I understand the sentiment of not wanting to lose anything on the casino, and would go on increasing lengths (and even increasing bets) just to recoup losses. Most of the time, I can get out of that hole unscathed, recouping what I loss and even winning some. It's just recently that it lead me to lose 10x more than what I initially lost due to chasing losses.

Imagine losing just $10 on casino because you just wanted to have fun, and eventually losing $134 because you believed in your insanity that you can recoup that loss. To avoid doing the same thing from happening again, I ensure that my funds are locked somewhere wherein it's inconvenient to transfer to a casino.

Most of the time, casinos will give you good wins on low bets, but when you try to up the ante, that's when they know they reeled you in and will no longer give you any wins AT ALL.
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Loss aversion can be of two different concepts, you can try to avert losses by being hesitant in order to avoid the wrong games but in the process of that you can end up being unlucky, then there's also the idea of trying to recover everything you have lost by continuously gambling... Gamblers that do this don't know how to come to terms with reality, trying to change the outcome of a bad decision by making more bad decisions might put you in a precarious situation...The only way to be a responsible gambler Is to gamble moderately.
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I don't understand this. If losing money is painful for you, why do you continue? Sounds irrational to me.
It is simple! It's painful that they lose money and that's why people like that keep on chasing the loss out of that pain in the hopes of recovering. An unpopular mentality of pursue - overtake - to recover. A fallacy no gambler in his right principle senses should buy into.
If they hope that they can recover their losses, maybe they will be more disappointed. The casino will not let you take your lost money back to you but the casino will get more money from you without you realize. Chasing the losses will make you suffer and that is painful for you. Maybe you think that is irrational for you but that is what happen to many gamblers so they will still want to recover their losses and win for the other money. They don't think about more losses that they can get from gambling but their minds will keep telling to try to get their money back.
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When you dont set out limits then it will really be that a huge recipe for disaster and this is something that you would really be needing up to consider when it comes on dealing up with gambling.
Limit your losses and never tend to chase those loses too on which this will really be that resulting into further deposits on which this is something which isnt really that recommended. On the moment or time that you do find out yourself spending too much on which it is really that more than on what you had budgeted then it will really be that wise that you should be stopping immediately.
Never ever make yourself that be controlled with your emotions because this is where people do usually messed up on the moment that they will tolerate out those bad decisions.
Setting a budget is indispensable, especially when it comes to an activity like gambling which can easily put a massive dent in our savings if we are not careful, since even if I find gambling to be an entertaining activity, there is a lot more out there that I would like to do with my limited budget, so gambling is a relatively expensive activity when considering the small benefits that it brings, then it is better to limit our gambling so we can enjoy other activities as well.
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I don't understand this. If losing money is painful for you, why do you continue? Sounds irrational to me.
It is simple! It's painful that they lose money and that's why people like that keep on chasing the loss out of that pain in the hopes of recovering. An unpopular mentality of pursue - overtake - to recover. A fallacy no gambler in his right principle senses should buy into.

On a norm you can't detects and factor out when you gets addicted to gambling and to that which you constantly does at your own will time or spare time, that's why gambling and not setting limits to gamble is actually very risky and a bad habit to show easy way to addictions. And again anyone who are able to control greed can actually reduced the rate at which addiction shows in them.
How would anyone not know when they have started showing addictive behaviours towards gambling. I don't entirely agree about them not knowing, what I understand is that they are very good in refusing to admit that they have fallen into addiction net but within their quiet time they tell themself the truth but don't know how to stop it.
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And you think people can take their minds off gambling money? That is not possible, the majority of people gambling do it for the money and it will remain like that forever.
Many people do not do it for the money. You can see someone that is very rich but like to gamble. The funniest thing would be that he is using a very small amount for the gambling. From the poor to the rich people, you will some people in all the pyramidal stage that are gambling.
One can argue that to some extent, they are still gambling for the money since even the rich ones do want to earn money or double the money they have. Even the rich ones are not exempted to liking money. They probably like it even more than the rest of us since they know and have lived the power of it. The difference is that even if they lose, it doesn’t hurt much.
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People are different in life. There are many people that do not gamble for making money.
The category should be are you gambling for your survival or for fun? All of us want to earn money even if we’re having fun but for some their job is quite literally gambling and everything is on the line for them.
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And you think people can take their minds off gambling money? That is not possible, the majority of people gambling do it for the money and it will remain like that forever.
Many people do not do it for the money. You can see someone that is very rich but like to gamble. The funniest thing would be that he is using a very small amount for the gambling. From the poor to the rich people, you will some people in all the pyramidal stage that are gambling.
Of course, there are exceptions to the general rule, everybody cannot gamble for the money but the majority still carries the vote, I only general it based on the majority. For instance, I do not gamble casino games for the money since many years ago ever since I realised how it works, but I engage in sports betting for the money. This proves that some people will not gamble for the money, it's all about what we want at that time as gambling has proven to give money, fun, relieve stress and worries etc.
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On a norm you can't detects and factor out when you gets addicted to gambling and to that which you constantly does at your own will time or spare time, that's why gambling and not setting limits to gamble is actually very risky and a bad habit to show easy way to addictions. And again anyone who are able to control greed can actually reduced the rate at which addiction shows in them.
It's true what you said friend, gambling without any set limits is bad behavior because it will only make us addicted to gambling, besides we know that when someone is addicted it will be difficult to get out, some cases that occur with those who are addicted and want to recover some even ask for help from experts such as psychologists, this can actually help but in my opinion it does not guarantee that they can recover for sure because the main point is in themselves, if they are still not wholeheartedly not to stay away from gambling it will be just as difficult even if helped by an expert.

For those who can control themselves such as being able to control their emotions, or greed and their mindset towards gambling, then the gambling activities they do do not need to be too worried about because the possibility of the impact of addiction will not occur because of the set limits.
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I have this consciousness while gambling because a casinos always explore the best mechanism to entrapped gamblers even though they are losing it wouldn't occur to them that it's the right time to set limit for themselves while gambling, overly it's as important as not to be carried by their rake-back/loss-back and their purpose of having that assigned is to keep gambler continue gambling without the subconsciousness of having them deceived in a particular circle to keep gambling and making much deposit with the intention of having them meet with their weekly/months bonuses.
Many people forget about the limits that they should apply in their behavior in gambling, especially with beginners who usually only think about winning, usually they will not see the risk side which is actually greater. Actually, before gambling, they should have thought about setting limits in gambling, such as from the funds that will be allocated to gambling that are set in amount, and not extending the gambling session when it has ended in defeat. People who are irresponsible with the gambling they do are those who will experience the negative impacts of gambling, addiction and destruction of life will happen sooner or later. Moreover, if they think that they will be able to win in gambling, it will make them trapped in gambling and it is difficult to get out, and when it is like this, it is usually difficult to be aware so they will not easily stop even though they have lost a lot of money.
On a norm you can't detects and factor out when you gets addicted to gambling and to that which you constantly does at your own will time or spare time, that's why gambling and not setting limits to gamble is actually very risky and a bad habit to show easy way to addictions. And again anyone who are able to control greed can actually reduced the rate at which addiction shows in them.
When you dont set out limits then it will really be that a huge recipe for disaster and this is something that you would really be needing up to consider when it comes on dealing up with gambling.
Limit your losses and never tend to chase those loses too on which this will really be that resulting into further deposits on which this is something which isnt really that recommended. On the moment or time that you do find out yourself spending too much on which it is really that more than on what you had budgeted then it will really be that wise that you should be stopping immediately.
Never ever make yourself that be controlled with your emotions because this is where people do usually messed up on the moment that they will tolerate out those bad decisions.
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I have this consciousness while gambling because a casinos always explore the best mechanism to entrapped gamblers even though they are losing it wouldn't occur to them that it's the right time to set limit for themselves while gambling, overly it's as important as not to be carried by their rake-back/loss-back and their purpose of having that assigned is to keep gambler continue gambling without the subconsciousness of having them deceived in a particular circle to keep gambling and making much deposit with the intention of having them meet with their weekly/months bonuses.
Many people forget about the limits that they should apply in their behavior in gambling, especially with beginners who usually only think about winning, usually they will not see the risk side which is actually greater. Actually, before gambling, they should have thought about setting limits in gambling, such as from the funds that will be allocated to gambling that are set in amount, and not extending the gambling session when it has ended in defeat. People who are irresponsible with the gambling they do are those who will experience the negative impacts of gambling, addiction and destruction of life will happen sooner or later. Moreover, if they think that they will be able to win in gambling, it will make them trapped in gambling and it is difficult to get out, and when it is like this, it is usually difficult to be aware so they will not easily stop even though they have lost a lot of money.
On a norm you can't detects and factor out when you gets addicted to gambling and to that which you constantly does at your own will time or spare time, that's why gambling and not setting limits to gamble is actually very risky and a bad habit to show easy way to addictions. And again anyone who are able to control greed can actually reduced the rate at which addiction shows in them.
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But even knowing that we gamble again and again because there lies our source of income and entertainment. We only feel the right way when we lose gambling and feel that anger again and again. I myself am addicted to gambling but i don't hurt anyone because i feel profit and loss.

The reason that some gamblers find it difficult to let go of losses is because of the mentality of having their source of living from it and therefore they must not lose. You may be lucky having this thought of source of income but majority of gamblers who think this way find themselves going back to deposit on their account because they refuse to let go. One thing that I understand about losing in gambling is if you decide not to stop while losing then you keep losing as your analysis would keep being wrong because the mindset is that of revenge which is wrong mentality.
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Many have recorded losses in all these online gambling applications but should stay out of it. Because you can't recover that money loss if you want, you should forget everything. Already know myself how gambling is made, how much i run into losses. But even knowing that we gamble again and again because there lies our source of income and entertainment. We only feel the right way when we lose gambling and feel that anger again and again. I myself am addicted to gambling but i don't hurt anyone because i feel profit and loss.
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I don't agree with that. In my opinion, the behavior when losing depends entirely on the personality. Some people want to turn things around in their own way, they will increase the stakes. Others, on the contrary, will completely stop playing (at least for a while), and certainly will not double down. There is such a division of people according to their constitution and character. Mesomorph, endomorph and ectomorph. The first ones will play "until they turn blue" until absolutely everyone loses. II also did not understand how overeating follows from a lack of food. If a person must avoid a lack of food, then why should he risk the "last meal" in the hope of "gorging himself"? There is no logic in this.
Not only the behavior when losing depends on individual even the behavior when we win too depends solely on individual, there are those that when they lose they don't even react to it, I meant it doesn't influence their personal behavior and even when they win too, but when it comes to some people at every point in time they win or loss their whole personality changes the narrative of their behavior irrespective of how much being lost or win even though no one gambles to lose but it is a fact that can not be averted, gambling is a two way thing either win or loss.
Whether what you will get from gambling, you may change your behavior easily and that is depends on how you react. If you know that you don't have to keep playing gambling when you lose the money in gambling, you can prevents the changing of your behavior because that can affect to your emotional. Most people will not want to get the lose in gambling but they must understand that in gambling, they will only have two option whether win or lose.

They don't have to change their behavior if they win or lose but still remember that they must still control themselves and know what they need to do based on the outcome that they get. They need to think clearly about when they lose their money, they must stop gambling immediately before their losses becomes big. Many people tends to continue their gambling activity when they lose without think that they can lose more and more. So that is why we must manage our emotion and our self control so we don't have to get the big lose.
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Well the feeling of losses cannot be underestimated and emphasized because it's a factor that can't be rooted out of gambling so whearas in cause of gambling you ought to win and lose as well but necessarily it depends on how you position yourself in it.cayse if this feelings of losses can be handled I don't think there would be results of addiction,this is why it's best to take up some break in gambling.
Taking a break in gambling and adding the spreadsheets of how much money was spent on the casino is a catharsis experiment. It can really help some of the addicted gamblers to finally get the control back in their hands and stop gambling.

If the addiction is a problem, further gambling can be disastrous for their financial situation. But if they can control it and are disciplined about the control over addiction, they can turn the tables.

There is the youtuber called Hypalinx who records his gambling sessions and at times vlogs about his total spending honesty, it is not a nice view at all.
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And you think people can take their minds off gambling money? That is not possible, the majority of people gambling do it for the money and it will remain like that forever.
Many people do not do it for the money. You can see someone that is very rich but like to gamble. The funniest thing would be that he is using a very small amount for the gambling. From the poor to the rich people, you will some people in all the pyramidal stage that are gambling.

Someone that also like the money making part but only using a very small amount to gamble is still not doing it for the money. This is the best approach to gamble. Let us assume you have $500 but use use just $5 to gamble and you discipline yourself not to go more than $5 to $10 while you keep $490 to $495 untouched. This is how I gamble if percentage is used but I still noticed that I do not like to lose the small amount of money that I use to gamble. That means it is like I gamble for money but I know deep down in me that I do not gamble for money.

People are different in life. There are many people that do not gamble for making money.
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I don't agree with that. In my opinion, the behavior when losing depends entirely on the personality. Some people want to turn things around in their own way, they will increase the stakes. Others, on the contrary, will completely stop playing (at least for a while), and certainly will not double down. There is such a division of people according to their constitution and character. Mesomorph, endomorph and ectomorph. The first ones will play "until they turn blue" until absolutely everyone loses. II also did not understand how overeating follows from a lack of food. If a person must avoid a lack of food, then why should he risk the "last meal" in the hope of "gorging himself"? There is no logic in this.

Not only the behavior when losing depends on individual even the behavior when we win too depends solely on individual, there are those that when they lose they don't even react to it, I meant it doesn't influence their personal behavior and even when they win too, but when it comes to some people at every point in time they win or loss their whole personality changes the narrative of their behavior irrespective of how much being lost or win even though no one gambles to lose but it is a fact that can not be averted, gambling is a two way thing either win or loss.
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