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Topic: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela - page 2. (Read 28513 times)

legendary
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Lol, a crypto wallet with a negative balance. What a farce.

Its now evident that taseenb and coinve were promoting a scam this whole time.

Coinve, I seriously hope you got something out of this, knowing you were pushing a con on not only to your own countrymen but the entire world. To screw over your fellow citizens like this is pretty low. Hope you werent doing it for free.
jr. member
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meanwhile...

explorador.petro.gob.ve
+27536 blocks

venezuelan exchange AmberesCoin
first exchange with BTC/PTR
(testing period)
website
twitter

The petro PTR increases its rate of exchange among Venezuelans, April 28, 2019.
use google translator if you don't know spanish.

until the next important news about the petro
goodbye, take care (kisses)



the stupidity of the human being has no limits
jr. member
Activity: 181
Merit: 1
meanwhile...

explorador.petro.gob.ve
+27536 blocks

venezuelan exchange AmberesCoin
first exchange with BTC/PTR
(testing period)
website
twitter

The petro PTR increases its rate of exchange among Venezuelans, April 28, 2019.
use google translator if you don't know spanish.

until the next important news about the petro
goodbye, take care (kisses)
jr. member
Activity: 193
Merit: 1
The maduristas support exploitative "salaries" of $ 5 per month

By: Javier Antonio Vivas Santana | Tuesday, 04/09/2019 02:30 AM|


The maduristas and especially all the senility that groups them both mentally and chronologically, are the first to support that workers have salaries of $ 5 per month.

It is so curious, that you see the maduristas condemning companies like the Polar saying that it increases its prices every week. Even on one occasion even Diosdado Cabello lashed out at Lorenzo Mendoza because he was supposedly taking the Venezuelans away from him until the possibility of drinking beer for "social relations". However, you do not read and hear less of the maduristas condemn Lorenzo Mendoza because most of their workers receive miserable salaries that range between 5 and 20 dollars.

The maduristas that criticize both Fedecámaras and Consecomercio to whom they categorize as "coup and destabilizers", never you observe them objecting that the majority of these companies grouped in such associations pay 5 dollars a month to the workers. They simply shut up inexcusably before this shameful act of human exploitation.

These same maduristas that have supported all kinds of expropriations so that they become part of state companies, such as the previous Agroisleña, now called "Agropatria" or Conferry, which are not only technically bankrupt, they even call it an action "revolutionary" that those companies in the hands of the red leadership, pay precisely $ 5 per month of salary to the vast majority of workers.

The maduristas are so shameless that even in Petróleos de Venezuela (Pdvsa), the majority of their workers, as well as technicians and professionals keep salaries in that band that from 5 dollars at the most in the best case reaches up to 20 dollars. Being so ironic, that not even the voluminous Will Rangel appears talking about such an aberration, which is to say, that they are pseudo-syndicalists worse than the lineage of the times of Carlos Ortega, because at least in those times, something was criticized in PDVSA it was because of their exaggerated salaries in relation to the rest of the Venezuelan workers.

If we talk about the teachers, the union that says to group them, that is, Sinafum, is another entelechy, to the point that when Aristóbulo Istúriz said more words, less words, that hopefully from the most humble worker - without underestimating his labors - until the educator with the highest levels of postgraduates would win "equal", that "union" not even in some of its board of directors said this mouth is mine. Or what is the same, those "magisterial representatives" if something condemn with the statements of the ministrillo of "education" is the educational and academic training that reaches any Venezuelan, and with such "rationality" what they are saying analogically to their own students is: "do not study that in Venezuela, studying is not worth it".

Of course, that same reality exists in the health sector. There we see as a general practitioner, or a specialist, who has done several years of graduate work in areas such as cardiology, neurology, general surgery, internal medicine, ophthalmology, among other specialties, as well as nurses, bioanalysts, dentists, radiologists, and many others. special, because all, without exception, should not exceed those $ 5 per month. In fact, speaking of mature health unions that go out to condemn such barbarism, does not exist, and on the contrary, if something promotes is the graduation of "integral community doctors" who obtain their "titles" in record time, and who also The only postgraduate programs they carry out are in "family", "communal" and "health management" medicine. In other words, medicuchos,

Obviously, that such labor unions remain silent about the miserable salaries and nil benefits that the public administration workers perceive can be understood because it is a mandate that makes the leadership before which they kneel as vulgar panegyrics, but that those same "unions" remain silent because that is a capitalist exploitation in the private sector, it is the height of these pseudo-unionists who also call themselves "socialists."

And why do the maduristas keep silent about the businessmen and merchants in the face of labor exploitation? It is simple. Because by telling exploiters they would have no way to justify what the madurismo does with public workers. Therefore, they do not even speak of any possibility of unemployment in the private sector, because that same strike would exploit the madurism in their face, and end up being the final thrust against a neototalitarian regime that calling itself "socialist" has created a worldwide neo-slavery in the 21st century.

Moreover, such is the fanaticism of the maturists that even some elderly people who see how other pensioners and retirees barely earn that paltry pension of $ 5 a month, you never see them, read or listen saying that these are income that only the more rancid capitalist exploiters. On the contrary, they are the first to justify that devastating reality by affirming that we have a "fatherland", "sovereignty" or "independence", so our elderly population dies of hunger or lack of medicines, because in the end, for the maturists, all our grandparents and grandmothers receive "socialist and revolutionary" pensions.

There is no madurista who says how we have spent since Chávez's time to have the highest salary in Latin America, to have with Maduro the lowest salary in the world, which does not even reach the daily dollar established by the United Nations (UN). ) to define the poverty line in any nation. For those maduristas, it will suffice to speak of "sanctions", "invasion", "induced inflation", "attack", but they will never assume their own responsibility. Even, it is common to observe in particular the mature senility that the usurper of Miraflores is the "best president that our history has ever had". Verbigracia, is the loss of reason.

What's more, such is the cynicism of those maduristas, that none of them asks the members of the top power, how they do to appear with private gyms in individual mansions, or mounted in trucks last model, or traveling the world, or have your children living in the most eccentric and expensive European cities. That is to say, none of those maduristas asks its admired "revolutionaries" if they live with 5 dollars a month.

The maduristas that support this retrograde system, and violator of human rights is because they are happy to see that the majority of the population earns $ 5 a month, while living in absolute poverty. That is the reason why they do not even suggest that there is a general strike of workers in the private sector.

The "trade unions" and especially the senility that supports the regime is happy to see the people impoverished. They will never raise their voice knowing that the workers have an income of $ 0.15 per day "salary", and if they do it will be the fault of the "empire and opposition" who have never managed PDVSA in this 21st century.

You can not call "salary" income that does not even ensure the human being's diet. That is a mockery. A human exploitation. An insensitivity to the pain of the workers. Therefore, among the maduristas and the senility that defends the political slop that Miraflores usurps, we must make it clear that those individuals are looking for the destruction of Bolívar's homeland, and all they want is to see the tears of the majority of the Venezuelans. About being blind. Anyone with eyes to see.

legendary
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UPDATE: Because of a lack of maintenance and corruption Venezuela is plagued a second time in this month by a huge blackout which is far from being resolved. Government webpages not considered to be essential are down. Among them, who would have thought, the two main pages linked to the petro: http://www.petro.gob.ve/ and https://explorador.petro.gob.ve/

Related: Since some weeks there isn't any government propaganda for the petro anymore.

RIP El Petro



Born: Never
Died: c. March 25th, 2019

We hardly knew ye

 Cry
jr. member
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UPDATE: Because of a lack of maintenance and corruption Venezuela is plagued a second time in this month by a huge blackout which is far from being resolved. Government webpages not considered to be essential are down. Among them, who would have thought, the two main pages linked to the petro: http://www.petro.gob.ve/ and https://explorador.petro.gob.ve/

Related: Since some weeks there isn't any government propaganda for the petro anymore.
jr. member
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#PetroChallenge: the challenge that sought to verify the existence and use of petro

A specialist organized a contest called #PetroChallenge , which offered a prize of 100 dollars in bitcoins for those who demonstrated "the existence and effective use of petro". However, the challenge seems to have failed. Thirteen days after the date it ended, there are no results of the challenge.

The contest was launched by the Instagram social network by  Hung Cavalieri , a lawyer specializing in constitutional procedural law. The challenge ended on February 16 and did not offer details of the result, which may be due to a low participation. Within the rules of the contest was to reach a minimum of 200 participants. The organizer did not show whether they achieved the figure or not.

In one of the comments of the publication, Cavalieri explains that "no one" is the winner , and said that there are people who request to increase the deadline to enter, something that to date does not confirm if it will.

To participate in the #PetroChallenge, users had to have proven tests of the block explorer, confirm what goods or services can be purchased with the petro, as well as if it can be exchanged for other cryptocurrencies or also fiduciary coins.

The users could also participate with other modalities in that social network, so it can be a strategy to gain followers for the account of the promoter of the contest in instagram.

Another aspect that caught the attention of the challenge was its prize. One hundred dollars in bitcoins, a very attractive figure considering hyperinflation in Venezuela.


IS THE EXISTENCE OF PETROLEUM PROOF?

The #PetroChallenge does not seem like a crazy idea, although verifiable. The doubts generated by the petro are not a novelty. Since its launch, there are those who claim that it is not a cryptocurrency, because its value was subject to the barrel of oil and other natural resources of the country, and not to supply and demand.

Despite this, the asset has another price, which exceeds the value decreed by Nicolás Maduro by up to 422% . The latter is calculated in bolivars according to its value in dollars, which is $ 59.76 according to its website . Which would translate into more than 197 thousand bolivars, according to the official Dicom rate.

Even so, at the headquarters of the Sunacrip they claim to sell the petro. Even in the page of the cripoactivo it appears the quantity of blocks that they generate , although the information is very little. So proving the existence of the asset should not be difficult for those who have participated in any of these processes.

Last Thursday, February 21, Maduro established that the consular services in all the embassies of the world must be paid with the petro. He also informed that the National Association of Airlines can pay with said asset -or with any cryptocurrency- the fuel and the services associated with the airlines. This means that these large transactions should already exist.

However, few Venezuelans can make payments with the cryptoactive. While there are commercial places such as City Market or Traki that are accepting payments in cryptocurrencies such as dash or bitcoin, until now there is none that receive the petro.
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yes it seems like a faillure yet. Hope investment will come back in the country as low wages is rather a good incentive, some activity should restart one day...

As long as the Maduro regime continues, that is not possible.
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I just saw a news headline in Aporrea:

"Venezuelan criptomercado continues its recovery, while the country comes out of the blackout"

See: https://www.aporrea.org/economia/n339632.html

I smiled assuming that in that news finally ! Some expert was going to talk about the Petro, the cryptocurrency created more than a year ago by Maduro and his government, and that in that news they were going to confirm that the Petro was really alive and active, and not invisible and dead as I had been thinking from his (supposed) creation.

I thought:

Could it be that I was wrong when --- long ago --- I concluded that the Petro was probably (is) a façade and a scam created by the Maduro government as an instrument to conceal something, and / or to divert attention while they , your collaborators, and the leaders of the Venezuelan opposition with whom you had been negotiating, get rich?

Could it really be that Petro now exists, and that it is a real part of the real market of electronic currencies, that people are really buying and selling it, that it can really be used as currency as Maduro had been promoting it, with the purpose of supposedly fixing our devastated economy?

Well ...

I supposed wrong.

That news (above) spoke about the health of several cryptocurrencies and the cryptocurrency market here in Venezuela, but he said absolutely nothing about Petro, even though Petro should be the most important cryptocurrency in the country since it was created by the government. more than a year ago.

But, no, nothing.

Yes sir, I assumed wrong, very bad.

I was wrong.

Then, I thought:

Could it be that I can find some other information that corroborates or supports my suspicions that the Petro does not really exist (in terms of its usefulness)?

Good ...

I found a story where they explain that last month (February 2019), a person launched the "Petro Challenge," where he offered $ 100 to the first person who could prove the real existence of Petro, but until now, apparently, nobody has won those $ 100

See: https://www.morocotacoin.com/02/2019/petrochallenge-reto-petro/

Well ...

If the Petro really existed ...

But really ...

Do not you think someone would have won that $ 100? the same day of the "Challenge" (challenge, competition), or the next day?

Hmmm ...

Could it be that Petro de Maduro really exists?

I do not think so.
sr. member
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yes it seems like a faillure yet. Hope investment will come back in the country as low wages is rather a good incentive, some activity should restart one day...
STT
legendary
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down since 7th of march: Great way to promote an alleged “cryptocurrency”.

That’s because of the more or less total blackout. But please note, that most of the main government sites continue to be online.

I dont wish ill on any country regardless, I hope Venezuela and its people recover to full health.  Certainly it must be frightening for those without power who cannot really survive without modern help, the old and sick obviously are the first to suffer in problems.

But regardless of that, this is why we do not design centralised systems.   They are fragile, they fail at first test of weakness and anywhere in the world can have a natural weather problem or natural occurrence that takes out the power or water or any of the modern conveniences we all rely on.

If PTR had been setup properly under the control of its own protocol and related to the global economy not a military command economy then it might have qualified as a proper crypto venture and be still operating and even helping those suffering this failure now.   THat is the ultimate point of crypto, not to be a cheap trick to get around political difficulties.  It should be improving the worst case scenario, building resilience and allowing alternatives into an economy so we're better off.   Unfortunately this path was not taken, I do not see PTR as being useful and its sad we get an example why crypto should be done properly open to all not controlled by some
legendary
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That's hilarious. It would be great to be able to send bitcoins you don't have, wouldn't it?

The only way this could happen is:

1. Their code is severely fucked.
2. They aren't using a blockchain at all.
jr. member
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Small update: All the main petro related webpages – https://explorador.petro.gob.ve/ http://www.petro.gob.ve  http://patria.org.ve/ – are down since 7th of march: Great way to promote an alleged “cryptocurrency”.

That’s because of the more or less total blackout. But please note, that most of the main government sites continue to be online. You see the real priority el petro has for the Venezuelan government.
sr. member
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Nicolas Maduro accuses US of fabricating a crisis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN9Ys-KZA8Q

venezuela nationalized the oil industry, gave benefits to poors, without investing in maintenance,research and forming ppl to replace those fired for political reasons.  The lake of economy  diversification combined with  oils price decline triggered most of the situation, US sanctions should have been no surprise following nationalisation.
legendary
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Petro is not a token any more -- it might not be anything anymore. There's no verifiable proof that it even exists. Maduro has more pressing matters to attend to at the moment.
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