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January 07, 2012, 10:59:04 AM
but they are legit transactions

I have verified them on two seperate block explorers , one of which has no connection to my servers or me at all
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January 07, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 11250.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 30,
        "txid" : "19db63b6ef93de4b7d150fe06492047aef6199c79cdd8762ee7035a0b6a7f151",
        "time" : 1325945174
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 45000.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 11,
        "txid" : "92a0ffef949e19822fa0bede0ad09de7fcef734e2203936ec9320d836f0f8bda",
        "time" : 1325949850
Yeah, something's wrong. those block amounts don't seem right.
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January 07, 2012, 10:56:10 AM
wait a min these might be legit

http://devcoinblockexplorer.info:2750/tx/b0ce3c4a0dbaee4912ccfcfa116dc1bf9953832c1d041790b8500233203a839e

says appeared in block 24977

now I purposely used devcoinblockexplorer.info instead of explorer.devcoin.org because the devcoin.org one uses the same devcoin as the pool does
so I wanted to make sure

according to the explorers they are legit right?
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January 07, 2012, 10:52:36 AM
yeah this doesnt look right

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    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 11250.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 30,
        "txid" : "19db63b6ef93de4b7d150fe06492047aef6199c79cdd8762ee7035a0b6a7f151",
        "time" : 1325945174
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 45000.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 11,
        "txid" : "92a0ffef949e19822fa0bede0ad09de7fcef734e2203936ec9320d836f0f8bda",
        "time" : 1325949850
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 45000.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 10,
        "txid" : "b0ce3c4a0dbaee4912ccfcfa116dc1bf9953832c1d041790b8500233203a839e",
        "time" : 1325949904
    },
    {
        "account" : "",
        "category" : "immature",
        "amount" : 45000.00000000,
        "confirmations" : 9,
        "txid" : "0e2247f66126e125a6eb096ac4589f2ae181900e1f0df9c2f638688c899710b6",
        "time" : 1325949965
    }
]
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January 07, 2012, 10:51:29 AM
your probably right

they wont hurt anything right?

they will just get orphaned?
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January 07, 2012, 10:49:09 AM
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January 07, 2012, 10:41:48 AM
well this is interesting

I am already solving blocks in merged mining with Bitcoin as parent

24976
24977
24978

all solved in merged mining with Bitcoin as parent
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January 07, 2012, 09:25:26 AM
Code:
[17:09:09.681] New Block detected [161087] from source: DaemonSource[bitcoind-mm].bitcoin - 0 lagging sources.
[17:09:09.684] New Block detected [24960] from source: DaemonSource[bitcoind-mm].devcoin - 0 lagging sources.
[17:09:09.796] New Block detected [36892] from source: DaemonSource[bitcoind-mm].namecoin - 0 lagging sources.
[17:09:09.796] Restoring workmap from file: /home/tom/poolserverj-0.4.0rc2/tmp/workmap-8999.bin
[17:09:09.869] PoolServerJ is open for business


The Devcoin Mining Pool Is Ready To Rock! Smiley
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January 07, 2012, 08:47:11 AM
Only 50 more blocks to go! Anyone else watching this?
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January 07, 2012, 08:28:45 AM
If anyone wants to help PLEASE - consider donating 1 BTC to my FeedZeBirds compaign

17WqpCdhU7QkwgHg8H2sJDzUz5exNKDXv6

so far it has had excellent success bringing awareness about Devcoin , and it has brought new miners which brings more security

it says

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Merged Mining is Coming to Devcoin Today! http://bit.ly/xjxyDS
#Retweet4Bitcoin #FeedZeBirds ChkStatus@ feedzebirds.com/dw2j2

That tweet has been tweeted to 45145 people so far - help send it to more by donating just 1 BTC!

When the user clicks the link they see this blog entry:

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Bitcoin, Namecoin, Devcoin Merged Mining is coming Today

You can mine them starting at block 25000 at http://pool.devcoin.org

The Devcoin developers have set the "switch block" at block 25000, at that time we will be rebooting our pool with a new config that will allow our pool to attach to the Devcoind, Bitcoind and Namecoind that are already running on our server in wait.

If you have not upgraded your Devcoin daemon please do so! Download source and binaries can be found at http://www.devcoin.org and click the 'Download' tab.

If you do not wish to use the Devcoin daemon you can always setup an account at vircurex.com and use that as an online Devcoin wallet.

For more information on Devcoin please visit the following links:

Devcoin official Bitcointalk Thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/devcoin-34586

Devtome - Official Devcoin Wiki
http://www.devtome.org

Devcoin Block Explorer
http://explorer.devcoin.org

Devcoin Mining Pool
http://pool.devcoin.org

Exchange to Buy/Sell Devcoins
https://vircurex.com

Devcoin Share List
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bitcoinshare.html

I have personally donated over 2 BTC to this.
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January 07, 2012, 08:23:45 AM
IMO we can't operate like that. I have been and am still working on achieving peace with Luke-JR and I can tell you for what its worth he is looking at Devcoin in a better light even if its slightly so than any other Alt Chain

Plans to destroy us have been put off for now, and I sincerely hope it goes in that direction however we are prepared to fight back by securing the Devcoin network with hash power.
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January 07, 2012, 12:51:53 AM
Why not rollback/postpone merged mining until the problem is worked out?
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January 06, 2012, 07:01:50 PM
if anyone could join freenode irc #eligius-dev

and help out - it would be awesome
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January 06, 2012, 06:42:43 PM
im talking to Luke-JR now, this is going to be a hard sell Sad
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January 06, 2012, 04:48:08 PM
Doublec,

Thanks for coding merged mining, I sent the 19 million devcoin remainder of the 20 million devcoins:
http://107.20.193.62:2750/block/0000000000102fc2670475c802fd91ff3f13a22f7a3508b1966dd2504ec68ab8

early, so that it gets through even if there are network problems after merged mining.
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January 06, 2012, 04:43:11 PM

Supposedly how he attacked coiledcoin was not just simply mining it, but also rejecting all other blocks and transactions.
..

I've also read that the problems were simply because of the transition to merged mining. I don't know what happened and I'd prefer not to speculate further until I know for sure what happened. In any case, even without an attack, there are sometimes problems in the transition to merged mining, and looking at the block count:
http://107.20.193.62:2750/chain/Devcoin

it look like the transition will be on Saturday or Sunday.

Everyone,

please do not make any devcoin transactions between Saturday, 7 January and Tuesday, 10 January, inclusive. Hopefully transactions will be going through the network by Wednesday, if they are or aren't that will be posted on this thread. Do not make any transactions until someone sends through some small test transactions and they get through without problems.


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I guess we can trade dDVC on Open Transactions though, and settle up on the blockchain at some future date, when/if the attack ends or is overpowered. (Maybe we can spend a few years gradually building up a devoted-to-DeVCoin collection of FPGAs until they add up to more hash power than he is willing to continue devoting to his mission of hatred?

Not actually using the blockchain for the duration will simply put DeVCoin in the same boat as many other blockchains that are currently looking to use Open Transactions or somesuch as a stopgap due to blockchain technology not yet being quite ready for general use/deployment despite the hope that the idea of merged mining had briefly seemed to hold out.

The key devcoin concept is that 90% of the generation goes to a useful cause. It doesn't matter if it uses a blockchain or Open Transaction. The development was made with a blockchain because at the time I thought that was a secure backend. If it turns out a blockchain is not secure, we'll have to go to an Open Transaction backend.

In any case, it is good to have a backup, so from now on Open Transaction development shall be funded by devcoin as bitcoin development was. If there are any other people helping to develop Open Transaction who are not already on the bitcoin share list, please ask them to post on this thread or message me, and they'll go on the bitcoin share list and get a generation share. You can give a reasonable number of bounties for informative post or setting up Open Transaction as devcoin did. In other words, 1/5 of a generation share for an informative post on the Open Transaction thread, 2/5 of a generation share for setting up a server or something. For bigger specific bounties, please post them on this thread and we'll work out the size and specification.

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Maybe we should re-consider the "approved miners" concept?

Hopefully, transactions will eventually get through, if they don't then we'll have to look at other ways of stopping attacks.
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January 06, 2012, 04:11:40 PM
This is the statement from Luke-JR regarding his plans to attack Devcoin

at least he is giving me a chance to talk with him before he moves forward with it.

If anyone has any brilliant reasons why he should let Devcoin live - please PM me with them and I will add them to my list of things I want to point out to him about Devcoin

thanks!

Thanks for taking the time to explain devcoin.

Here's the history behind devcoin. I offered bounties for the creation of a charity pool which would give 1% of the mining to bitcoin developers:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/50-btc-bounty-charity-pool-setup-20455

I ended up paying about 37 BTC in bounties to two people. Shamen made a pool but then abandoned it:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/12-btc-bountycharitycoinorg-0-fees-bug-bounty-25022

AnnihilaT made the Mainframe Mining Cooperative, and it was successful for a while. I believe at its peak it donated a bit less than 10 BTC/month to the people on the bitcoin share list. The donation list has around 20 people on it, so that worked out to less than 0.5 BTC/month per developer. However, it was shut down by the threat of a DDOS attack:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.585867

so now the people on the bitcoin share list are not getting any bitcoins at all. They are only getting devcoins. No one else has tried to start up a bitcoin donation pool.

The reason devcoin was made was that even when the Mainframe Mining Cooperative was doing well, because it only donated around 1% of the mining, the developers ended up getting only a tiny amount. Charity is typically 1% of an economy and for all the talk of donations, charity is simply not enough to give open source developers a reasonable income. Devcoin gives 90% to developers, it is the only thing which is giving open source developers an income at all right now, and once it gets known that income will be a reasonable amount.
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January 06, 2012, 03:46:02 PM
Supposedly how he attacked coiledcoin was not just simply mining it, but also rejecting all other blocks and transactions.

On the face of it this would just mean no other miners ever get any blocks, and the receivers continue receiving. Unless he can strike out somehow against the receivers too?

If he cannot, maybe it doesn't matter that he is the only miner?

Uh, except for no transactions being able to be recorded in the blockchain during the duration of his attack. I guess we can trade dDVC on Open Transactions though, and settle up on the blockchain at some future date, when/if the attack ends or is overpowered. (Maybe we can spend a few years gradually building up a devoted-to-DeVCoin collection of FPGAs until they add up to more hash power than he is willing to continue devoting to his mission of hatred?)

Not actually using the blockchain for the duration will simply put DeVCoin in the same boat as many other blockchains that are currently looking to use Open Transactions or somesuch as a stopgap due to blockchain technology not yet being quite ready for general use/deployment despite the hope that the idea of merged mining had briefly seemed to hold out.

Maybe we should re-consider the "approved miners" concept?

-MarkM-
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January 06, 2012, 03:35:05 PM
By attack I mean mine the chain with a huge hashrate, dump the coins and drive the price down as is happening with i0/ixcoin. Whether he still plans to or not I don't know.

If that is the extent of the attack, then that is not an issue. Once merged mining is active, I expected that most miners would sell their devcoins, which the majority of miners have not yet heard of, to pay for their rigs. Because of that, I was already planning on buying devcoins for the first few months after merged mining is working, until devcoin is widely known and can stand on its own.
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January 06, 2012, 03:08:21 PM
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cablepair, regarding Devcoin, I don't see any reason to treat it as different from any other scamcoin. I will at least discuss it with you on IRC before doing anything other than mining it with the almost-unmodified (zero txn fee, zero post-maturity delay) Devcoin client.

This is the statement from Luke-JR regarding his plans to attack Devcoin

at least he is giving me a chance to talk with him before he moves forward with it.

If anyone has any brilliant reasons why he should let Devcoin live - please PM me with them and I will add them to my list of things I want to point out to him about Devcoin

thanks!
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