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Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 3516. (Read 9724017 times)

legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
Bitfarms.io
Lol you're talking as if I could just decided and start forking the network..

You could, or you could be coerced into doing so, or for example some employee at the datacentre could be bribed into restarting your pool servers with malicious code replacing your existing code, etc.

Are you aware you need at LEAST 51% to do that? Are you aware that i'm nowhere near that 50%?

You are wrong. Less that 51% still causes problems, >51% just guarantees success.

If anything, we help the darkcoin blockchain stay strong against 40gh/s hammers moving around such as waffle and god knows what other pools (the unknowns). I doubt its the p2pool at 1% of the hash who will protect it from any fork.

As of right now, we have a use wether you like it or not.

I have never questioned your personal integrity, I am merely pointing out your vulnerability, which is a vulnerability to everyone who owns DRK.

You can keep whining, this won't make us go away nor help your cause. In society, you sometimes have to work with other peoples towards greater good, which you're not.

You and moli can keep bitching about me all day long on IRC, ditto. Wink

You're biting the hand that feeds you at the moment, yet again.

You don't feed anyone but yourself. If you cared about the security of the blockchain, you wouldn't be running a centralised pool.

None of your points stands yet because since the beginning we have been supportive and complying with the darkcoin community to all extents. If you are to pick a target, at LEAST pick up some that is not trustworthy or not cooperating as much as they should be­. We're always one of the fastest, if not the fastest pool to upgrade it's daemons at every update.

I don't think my point has been understood by you, much less addressed. You are in denial about the basic risk that you pose to the network.

Edit; crouton you the almighty, why don't you just come up with the code to make the standard pools p2pool? I'm all ears, bring it we'll try it Smiley

Here you go: https://bitbucket.org/dstorm/p2pool-drk.git Grin  - let me know when you're done, I'll point my rigs your way.

I know very well you can't be satistisfied, hence I won't be loosing my time trying. It's just not worth it. If I do it myself, it'll be because I have the time to and the will, not because you dictate me to do so.

I am not in denial, just there is worse things to attend for now. Like that darksend flaw, for example.

And I don't feed anyone but myself? You gotta be joking right? lol. You're just full of it, I am not interested in dealing with your kind of people. I have had other members contacting me privately to talk about solution, and I am fully happy to discuss with them. With you, it's kind of one sided and you're close minded, hence we won't ever reach agreement.

Stop having me loose my time with your rants, you remind me of Alex Jones.

I welcome anybody (as long as its not a crouton sock puppet account!) to come discuss with me possible solutions and ideas to make mining better. I am opened to suggestions and help to integrate a peer to peer approach to the pool, I am just not willing to do it just because seniorita crouton orders me to Smiley

In greater words, get lost crouton. To the rest of the community, your suggestions are very welcomed! I'm not the ruthless poolop that crouton claims I am.

EDIT: Hey crouton, by the way.. it's hosted by ourself in our own cabinet with our own feeds.. At the ISP where I work at.. so that employee at the datacenter? It's me. Wink
newbie
Activity: 21
Merit: 0
hello guys,
im a big drk fan Smiley nice to be here im a newbie so dont judge me please i understand numbers more the the actual coin Cheesy so please be patiant
thank you
Welcome to dark!
You must be patient with price too haha
Thank you, yes im not going to rush things out really, but this is an exciting market i can give u that Smiley
Reading about crypto currencies now is a good sign that normal people who are not involved with computers actually start using ones.

have a nice day  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1036
Dash Developer
Darkcoin Testnet - PLEASE UPDATE TO v10.16.3!

- Fixed masternode propagation problems, resulting from new dseep filtration.
- Fixed variable darksend amounts code, all clients should be able to merge together now.

----

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v16-x-testing.2976/page-5#post-29232
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
With p2pool, everyone mines to his own DRK address directly.
There is no database and no periodic payouts based on information in a database, as is the case with central pools.

A miner gets payout as soon as a block is solved. No third party involved.

And you can chose any of the p2pool nodes (usually the one that is network wise the nearest, with lowest latency) to connect to.

I think I get that (but maybe not), but could not a private pool feed the output of its database to the p2pool, recieve the reward from p2pool, and distribute it according to the contents of its database?  Again, I am way out of my depth, and have no idea what I am talking about. :-(


Don't think it would be possible (but again, I am not a programmer), as p2pool hands work tasks to the miner directly, and you can't feed it with solved blocks.

p2pool node --> work sent to miner, miner solves --> sends back to p2pool node.
The node communicates directly with the wallet daemon, so is directly connected to the network.

legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 1240
If you cared about the security of the blockchain, you wouldn't be running a centralised pool.

That's not exactly true.

Either no one should run a pool, or as many people as possible should run a pool.

Running a pool must be prevented in the protocol level for the former to happen, so as long as running a pool is possible, it's actually better the more people run one.
Pool?

Did someone said pool?

Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1005
DASH is the future of crypto payments!
@lonecrouton, having only masternodes will highly centralize dark. There is thousands of miners, vs a thousand and some masternodes. Centralisation.



You are a fucking moron.

(In case anyone is unaware, louiseth1 is one of those 3 people, running suchpool.)

I'm so happy I dumped this DRK crap a long time ago  Smiley
i am happy as well.... you dumped it. More for us MNers.
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
If you cared about the security of the blockchain, you wouldn't be running a centralised pool.

That's not exactly true.

Either no one should run a pool, or as many people as possible should run a pool.

Running a pool must be prevented in the protocol level for the former to happen, so as long as running a pool is possible, it's actually better the more people run one.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
@lonecrouton, having only masternodes will highly centralize dark. There is thousands of miners, vs a thousand and some masternodes. Centralisation.



You are a fucking moron.

(In case anyone is unaware, louiseth1 is one of those 3 people, running suchpool.)

I'm so happy I dumped this DRK crap a long time ago  Smiley
hero member
Activity: 689
Merit: 507
Anyone else jump on the XCP train like me weeks ago? Lol holy hell. Just moved some of those profits into more DRK. Gotta love crypto.
JL

I did but haven't taken profits to move here back again, I am not sure XCP have finished to grow. Are you "sure" DRK is ready ?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1036
Dash Developer
Darkcoin Testnet - v0.16.2 - Please Update!

The network hasn't updated yet, please upgrade if you're running a client or help help test if you can.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/v16-x-testing.2976/page-4#post-29202
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Lol you're talking as if I could just decided and start forking the network..

You could, or you could be coerced into doing so, or for example some employee at the datacentre could be bribed into restarting your pool servers with malicious code replacing your existing code, etc.

Are you aware you need at LEAST 51% to do that? Are you aware that i'm nowhere near that 50%?

You are wrong. Less that 51% still causes problems, >51% just guarantees success.

If anything, we help the darkcoin blockchain stay strong against 40gh/s hammers moving around such as waffle and god knows what other pools (the unknowns). I doubt its the p2pool at 1% of the hash who will protect it from any fork.

As of right now, we have a use wether you like it or not.

I have never questioned your personal integrity, I am merely pointing out your vulnerability, which is a vulnerability to everyone who owns DRK.

You can keep whining, this won't make us go away nor help your cause. In society, you sometimes have to work with other peoples towards greater good, which you're not.

You and moli can keep bitching about me all day long on IRC, ditto. Wink

You're biting the hand that feeds you at the moment, yet again.

You don't feed anyone but yourself. If you cared about the security of the blockchain, you wouldn't be running a centralised pool.

None of your points stands yet because since the beginning we have been supportive and complying with the darkcoin community to all extents. If you are to pick a target, at LEAST pick up some that is not trustworthy or not cooperating as much as they should be­. We're always one of the fastest, if not the fastest pool to upgrade it's daemons at every update.

I don't think my point has been understood by you, much less addressed. You are in denial about the basic risk that you pose to the network.

Edit; crouton you the almighty, why don't you just come up with the code to make the standard pools p2pool? I'm all ears, bring it we'll try it Smiley

Here you go: https://bitbucket.org/dstorm/p2pool-drk.git Grin  - let me know when you're done, I'll point my rigs your way.
full member
Activity: 231
Merit: 100
With p2pool, everyone mines to his own DRK address directly.
There is no database and no periodic payouts based on information in a database, as is the case with central pools.

A miner gets payout as soon as a block is solved. No third party involved.

And you can chose any of the p2pool nodes (usually the one that is network wise the nearest, with lowest latency) to connect to.

I think I get that (but maybe not), but could not a private pool feed the output of its database to the p2pool, recieve the reward from p2pool, and distribute it according to the contents of its database?  Again, I am way out of my depth, and have no idea what I am talking about. :-(
sr. member
Activity: 393
Merit: 250
With p2pool, everyone mines to his own DRK address directly.
There is no database and no periodic payouts based on information in a database, as is the case with central pools.

A miner gets payout as soon as a block is solved. No third party involved.

And you can chose any of the p2pool nodes (usually the one that is network wise the nearest, with lowest latency) to connect to.

Setting a p2pool node is really simple, just the daemon and the p2pool web server. Not even as 'complicated' as setting up a MN. Smiley
full member
Activity: 231
Merit: 100

Look outside, it's an ugly world and people get killed every day for far less than the matket cap of DRK. Hoping that it will never happen is not a plan.

I have nothing against mining, I mine on p2pool, always have, but centralised pools are a huge liability.

Could you not make suchpool a p2pool node instead? Most of your miners would never know the difference and you would actually be helping to secure the network. At the moment, you're not, you're just a centralised point of failure.

Darkcoin right now (most cryptocurrencies right now) is NOT decentralised, we and other currencies have no right to call ourselves decentralised when a handful of people are in control of the blockchain, it's a complete lie.

Everyone panics about small theoretical flaws in the Darksend protocol while ignoring the giant security flaw with centralised PoW...  Huh





+1
I do not pretend to understand all the subtleties of this debate, but it seems clear that Crouton is not imagining this problem. On the other hand, "to the victor go the spoils." In that sense, if someone can convince enough people to mine on a particular pool they earn the renumeration they extract. What would be the financial disincentive to making suchpool a p2pool node? Again, I don't know how such things work, but I am imagining that p2pool would be "fed" the blocks mined by suchpool by the "owner" who would receive the payout. If he honestly distributes those to the members of suchpool (after taking his cut), would this satisfy everyone? Is this even technically feasible?

As I reread this it makes me think that this reveals a method for a "sneak attack."  Could an entity use the above method to create a private pool, but hide it within p2pool. It would look like p2pool is growing in its control of the hash-rate. No one would worry--we would be thrilled to see that p2pool had 80% of the hash-rate--All is well and we are finally safe from a 51% attack.  Then the embedded private pool withdraws its 51% and BOOM.

Sadly, I have no idea what I am talking about, so I hope saner minds will prevail.

Peace to you all,

Strix
hero member
Activity: 631
Merit: 500
Former SuchPool Admin
First. 3 pools having 51% isn't a problem, its not 1 pool but 3 pools so 3 wallets
Second. Saying that 3 peoples own 56% of the network is totaly wrong, there's more than 10k miners on those pools.

legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
Bitfarms.io
Stop thinking in what ifs... see this as I am a town mayor, citizens elected me (by coming into our pool) to represent them. Our track record is mint, so why are you wasting your time bothering us when there is bigger and potentially harming fish to fry? Spare your time, leave us the fuck alone Wink

Why would I be intentionally killing the blockchain?
Are you retarded?

Probably an unstable individual like you, in my position, would do so. I just won't. Are you trying to push me to do so? Won't work.

Either way, you're the kind of guy that will ever be complaining about something or another, so I'm getting used to your whining.


Sure, wishful thinking is a great way to implement security! Bad things never happen, why worry about it? Anyone who thinks having their finances completely at the mercy of a few people on the intertubes is a problem must be unstable!

 Roll Eyes

Lol you're talking as if I could just decided and start forking the network..

Are you aware you need at LEAST 51% to do that? Are you aware that i'm nowhere near that 50%?

If anything, we help the darkcoin blockchain stay strong against 40gh/s hammers moving around such as waffle and god knows what other pools (the unknowns). I doubt its the p2pool at 1% of the hash who will protect it from any fork.

As of right now, we have a use wether you like it or not.

You can keep whining, this won't make us go away nor help your cause. In society, you sometimes have to work with other peoples towards greater good, which you're not. You're biting the hand that feeds you at the moment, yet again.

None of your points stands yet because since the beginning we have been supportive and complying with the darkcoin community to all extents. If you are to pick a target, at LEAST pick up some that is not trustworthy or not cooperating as much as they should be­. We're always one of the fastest, if not the fastest pool to upgrade it's daemons at every update.

Edit; crouton you the almighty, why don't you just come up with the code to make the standard pools p2pool? I'm all ears, bring it we'll try it Smiley
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
And singling out suchpool when they updated quickly a few times now doesn't help anything.

The fact that they can be singled out is kind of the point.

I get you I really do. And I'd be backing you up all the way normally but the way you are going about it is counterproductive in my opinion.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
And singling out suchpool when they updated quickly a few times now doesn't help anything.

The fact that they can be singled out is kind of the point.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
Stop thinking in what ifs... see this as I am a town mayor, citizens elected me (by coming into our pool) to represent them. Our track record is mint, so why are you wasting your time bothering us when there is bigger and potentially harming fish to fry? Spare your time, leave us the fuck alone Wink

Why would I be intentionally killing the blockchain?
Are you retarded?

Probably an unstable individual like you, in my position, would do so. I just won't. Are you trying to push me to do so? Won't work.

Either way, you're the kind of guy that will ever be complaining about something or another, so I'm getting used to your whining.


Sure, wishful thinking is a great way to implement security! Bad things never happen, why worry about it? Anyone who thinks having their finances completely at the mercy of a few people on the intertubes is a problem must be unstable!

 Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000


What would it take for you to convert suchpool into a p2pool node? Can you comment on this?

 That's just no feasible. Suchpool are top notch guys, x11 pioneers and supporters. Unlike Waffle. Much respect to them.
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