Well, at least BFL offer a Lifetime warranty
Lifetime of the product.
Topic: March 30th BFL ASIC update - page 4. (Read 7667 times)
Lifetime of the product.
haha, I knew it, the singles will be at 130w... and the life span of those units, my guess, at that density of PCB design, hmmm, a week, or a month top...
perhaps even less... and why no video of a working product... I think when they get the machine on it starts to melt...
perhaps even less... and why no video of a working product... I think when they get the machine on it starts to melt...
Batch #1 & #2 customers - you are looking forward to something like this:
Exactly...
Just check the design of Avalons, 2.5W per chip and a lot of space between, and still it could over heat if you don't manage it correctly... BFL wants 15W chip without any space in between...
Well, at least BFL offer a Lifetime warranty
full transcript here if you don't want to have to manually trawl the shout logs:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b8hvt/bfl_josh_updates_on_asic_status_full_transcript/
Will
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1b8hvt/bfl_josh_updates_on_asic_status_full_transcript/
Will
haha, I knew it, the singles will be at 130w... and the life span of those units, my guess, at that density of PCB design, hmmm, a week, or a month top...
perhaps even less... and why no video of a working product... I think when they get the machine on it starts to melt...
perhaps even less... and why no video of a working product... I think when they get the machine on it starts to melt...
Batch #1 & #2 customers - you are looking forward to something like this:
haha, I knew it, the singles will be at 130w... and the life span of those units, my guess, at that density of PCB design, hmmm, a week, or a month top...
perhaps even less... and why no video of a working product... I think when they get the machine on it starts to melt...
perhaps even less... and why no video of a working product... I think when they get the machine on it starts to melt...
All good and fine, but it's 29th of March now and it was 28th of March their time when they made an update 
Josh also promised a video.
I know that i'm going to order a few more the moment i get confirmation of any product shipped & received.
Josh also promised a video.
I know that i'm going to order a few more the moment i get confirmation of any product shipped & received.
Scroll down till you see clint east wood!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147300.100
Re-consider until you here they are accepting the fpga's trade-in!
Must back away from they chair !!
All good and fine, but it's 29th of March now and it was 28th of March their time when they made an update
Josh also promised a video.
I know that i'm going to order a few more the moment i get confirmation of any product shipped & received.
Josh also promised a video.
I know that i'm going to order a few more the moment i get confirmation of any product shipped & received.
With the increase in the value of bitcoins, I wonder if they'll raise their prices after they ship the preorders.
If they really are ready to start shipping, honestly, they'd be pretty foolish not to. Once manufacturing/shipping starts to catch up the backlog, people will gladly pay much more for what they have to offer.
Enigma
As long as i can see we customers can take a lot
Why - euphoria, greed, wrong math excitement lost of common sense? As long as we take it and buy they will raise the prices for sure. As long as we act as a community they will have to obey to us. But this aint going to happenIt is not a simple equation at all since no product actually moved hands.
There is no supply as of yet.
They need us and we need them. But if we unite we will dictate the rules not them or at least the equation will look differently. Simple as that
I am not saying that ASIC manufactures do not deserve a profit not at all. They work hard for it and same applies for us to earn money for living.
are yoo going to pay 100K just because there is no supply? or 10K? or how much actually? Just because there is no supply? The only thing which you have to pay for no matter what is your health and you have no option there no supply/demand bulshit . In all other case there is always a choice always even though there is no supply as long as your life does not depend on it
With the increase in the value of bitcoins, I wonder if they'll raise their prices after they ship the preorders.
If they really are ready to start shipping, honestly, they'd be pretty foolish not to. Once manufacturing/shipping starts to catch up the backlog, people will gladly pay much more for what they have to offer.
Enigma
As long as i can see we customers can take a lot
Why - euphoria, greed, wrong math excitement lost of common sense? As long as we take it and buy they will raise the prices for sure. As long as we act as a community they will have to obey to us. But this aint going to happenIt is not a simple equation at all since no product actually moved hands.
There is no supply as of yet.
Just relaying what I saw in the chat. You can check the BFL chat archives for yourself.
The units are working, but the last issue is fixing the power drain. Some units are using more than 2x as much power than necessary and they think they know how to fix it very soon. They have to fix the drain issue, because despite the power consumption still being low, it's causing heat issues.
If the power/heat issues still exist with the BitForce Single SC(60GH unit), then BFL will option to ship two Little Single SC(30GH units) in its place until the problem is resolved.
Once this is fixed, units are expected to ship. The rough projection is 2 weeks. In an absolute perfect world, units might ship next week. They can build about 400 units a day. If you're an early pre-order, and have a FPGA unit getting traded up, check the site to find out when.
Take the news or leave it. I'm not a BFL apologist, but I was curious.
The units are working, but the last issue is fixing the power drain. Some units are using more than 2x as much power than necessary and they think they know how to fix it very soon. They have to fix the drain issue, because despite the power consumption still being low, it's causing heat issues.
If the power/heat issues still exist with the BitForce Single SC(60GH unit), then BFL will option to ship two Little Single SC(30GH units) in its place until the problem is resolved.
Once this is fixed, units are expected to ship. The rough projection is 2 weeks. In an absolute perfect world, units might ship next week. They can build about 400 units a day. If you're an early pre-order, and have a FPGA unit getting traded up, check the site to find out when.
Take the news or leave it. I'm not a BFL apologist, but I was curious.
Just a note, if BFL says that in a perfect world they would ship in a week that means that in reality it will be end of April at best but probably end of May, start of June.
With the increase in the value of bitcoins, I wonder if they'll raise their prices after they ship the preorders.
If they really are ready to start shipping, honestly, they'd be pretty foolish not to. Once manufacturing/shipping starts to catch up the backlog, people will gladly pay much more for what they have to offer.
Enigma
As long as i can see we customers can take a lot
Why - euphoria, greed, wrong math excitement lost of common sense? As long as we take it and buy they will raise the prices for sure. As long as we act as a community they will have to obey to us. But this aint going to happen
With the increase in the value of bitcoins, I wonder if they'll raise their prices after they ship the preorders.
If they really are ready to start shipping, honestly, they'd be pretty foolish not to. Once manufacturing/shipping starts to catch up the backlog, people will gladly pay much more for what they have to offer.
Enigma
Also... 400 units a day? ROFL
Avalon can only produce about 600 units a month with their awesome assembly/production equipment.
BFL bought their assembly/production equipment off of Ebay (TRUTH), lol. 400 units a day... that's comedy!
Speaking from experience, I can tell you that (if they had enough raw chips) building 400 Singles or Jalapenos per day would be no problem at all. The Singles/Jalapenos are MUCH simpler to assemble than an Avalon.
BFL isn't using their (ebay) gear to build the circuit boards. They are contracting a CM in (if memory serves) Chicago and then presumably doing the final assembly in house. Any CM with a decent set of gear could crank out 400 of those PCB's in a few hours. Real build rate for the PCBA is probably 2 minutes per board for a reasonable automated assembly line. Dropping the boards and the heat-sink into an enclosure shouldn't take more than 5 minutes, so 400 units per day would be 33 Man-Hours per day for assembly. That's 4 people.
I'm not suggesting they will or will not manufacture 400 per day, I'm just pointing out that it is nowhere near impossible.
Enigma
With the increase in the value of bitcoins, I wonder if they'll raise their prices after they ship the preorders.
So this was expected, if they had 1GH/W we would have known already. But if they deliver 60GH in two singles that draw 60W each, that's ok! 2W per GH is still x20 better than 40W of my FPGA's! Alot better than Avalons x6!
If they need 3 singles to give 60GH at 60W that's still twice as good as Avalon.
Not to mention design, size and noise!
Now it's just a question of delivery dates, nobody will wait for fixed power electronics, but for us that ordered in 2013 we'll get those anyhow.
Good news all around! Now we're just waiting for proof (and maybe proof of delivery) until we release a shitstorm of orders...
If they need 3 singles to give 60GH at 60W that's still twice as good as Avalon.
Not to mention design, size and noise!
Now it's just a question of delivery dates, nobody will wait for fixed power electronics, but for us that ordered in 2013 we'll get those anyhow.
Good news all around! Now we're just waiting for proof (and maybe proof of delivery) until we release a shitstorm of orders...
Yes,you win & so do about 150 others out of 300 from 1st batch that shipped on Jan 20.Lets see,over 60 days with no tracking info,no email from Avalon,nothing to do but sit & wait,really the best company won.
Both Avalon & BFL have thier issues,but I'm very sure BFL's units will do just fine catching up in the next year or so.
BTW,loshia,you live in China correct?? So,warranty return will be easy & cheap for you,how about those of us in the US ?? Or even in UK,shipping back to China is gonna be pricey,have fun
Dude,
I do not live in china at all. I agree that Avalon has their issues about "customer relations" also no doubt about it. Buy the way there are a lot of reports from US happy customers also. They got their units. Just to clarify that i really do truly regret about all of BFL customers. For the reference:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1604616
But no hard feelings for you and all BFL defenders here. You guys are just blind and you can not agree with simple facts as they are. And you do know that what you speak is not making any sense in current situation, don't you?
Best
PS: just for the reference how do you think to catch up withh 200+btc at least made by avalon amusing you got BFL units in a month - pretty doubtfully for sure. Just do your math and face the facts
I am talking about batch 1 only. Math may look a little bit different for next Avalon batches though.
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BFL shipping next week? LOL
I'll believe it when I see it..
Also... 400 units a day? ROFL
Avalon can only produce about 600 units a month with their awesome assembly/production equipment.
BFL bought their assembly/production equipment off of Ebay (TRUTH), lol. 400 units a day... that's comedy!
Somehow BFL thinks they will be 2000% more effecient in assembling electronics than the Chinese.
Must be those unicorn hairs Inaba keeps referring to.
I'll believe it when I see it..
Also... 400 units a day? ROFL
Avalon can only produce about 600 units a month with their awesome assembly/production equipment.
BFL bought their assembly/production equipment off of Ebay (TRUTH), lol. 400 units a day... that's comedy!
Somehow BFL thinks they will be 2000% more effecient in assembling electronics than the Chinese.
Must be those unicorn hairs Inaba keeps referring to.
Its about 40TH worth,give or take
Even 120-150 watts @ 60GH beats the crap out of 600 watts
& $6000-8000
Dude,Even 120-150 watts @ 60GH beats the crap out of 600 watts
& $6000-8000 Pls remember "the crap out of 600 watts" Pays the electricity itself with a day or two work for a year:)
What about this crap? I am happy to have that crap in my hands LOL!
Post back here in 6-12 months & let me how much more your earning than me
Really,I'm happy Avalon got thiers out
Dude,
I do not know of others btach 1 others but i do belive 90% of them are delivered yet. Speaking of btc earnings alone the BFL customers will never be able to catch up in BTC for a life time period Avalons batch 1. I can bet on that and i know i will win but i do not want to wait for that bet for obvious reasons
Yes,you win & so do about 150 others out of 300 from 1st batch that shipped on Jan 20.Lets see,over 60 days with no tracking info,no email from Avalon,nothing to do but sit & wait,really the best company won.
Both Avalon & BFL have thier issues,but I'm very sure BFL's units will do just fine catching up in the next year or so.
BTW,loshia,you live in China correct?? So,warranty return will be easy & cheap for you,how about those of us in the US ?? Or even in UK,shipping back to China is gonna be pricey,have fun
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