Topic: Market Manipulation! Is it real? (Read 258 times)

I dont think this is what market manipulation is. Market manipulation would of been if they secretly sold or went short bitcoin and then later on they went in public and they said they will dump all those coins. They had those coins for a while, just like FTX, just like MtGox and people knew that eventually they would sell them. Same with US Government, we all know one day they will sell another batch of Bitcoins.

So unless some government official, goes shorts on their own personal account or they leak the news to some trading firm in secret and that firm goes short and then later they make an announcement that they are dumping their bitcoins, then its manipulation. But what they did so far doesn't really count as manipulating the market.

Any market can be manipulated, but it's hard for coins with high capitalisation to be manipulated easily, but that does not mean they are above being manipulated; all that just has to be done is that they need a big strategy to pull that manipulation off in order for it to work. A government with high economic power can manipulate the market in a way that we don't expect it indirectly.
 
Let's take, for instance, when the German government moved their bitcoin holdings into exchange wallets. There was a panic that such movement caused in the market, and many people, out of fear, sold out their holdings. During that period before they finished dumping all their holdings, there was a drop in the market. If there were some other parties in play that wanted to acquire large volumes of bitcoin using small amounts, they could always make use of such an opportunity.

Not sure what you mean though that it will recreate wealth and distribute when when only a few can take advantage of their own manipulation. And once we understand what is going on, it's over for us small players and average joe as the manipulators was able to get away and make profits.

It's very hard to do it or consider as a sport, but maybe it's a gamble for them and they know that it will pay off handsomely. I remember some movements way back 2018 or 2019, when there were reports that 3 whales was able to move a huge amount of Bitcoin simultaneously on a coordinate manipulate ensuring them of millions of profits while the rest of us was not able to ride the waves with this big whales,

I think if it's with the large cap coins, it's about the influence that someone employs through the news. Remember the FUD that's always being said when the market is going turmoil? that's how they are manipulating it and that crashes the market quickly when the news is too impactful to say. Like now, we're having the FED cut rates and haven't seen some movement yet although from yesterday or the other day we've seen some quick increase. But what's next? I'm expecting something negative from the market that shall create a movement through the news that the media will release or whoever is going to have some statement regarding this recent event in the US. If it's about a real manipulation, maybe there is something for the big caps that we don't know because this is what volatility is all about. When it moves a lot, we tend to think that some manipulation are happening if it's against to our plans.

I agree that large coins are well established in terms of distribution and long sustaining but you need to remember that all the coin that are existing within bitcoin or ethereum network is not participating on the market trading which mean only 1% or 2% of the coins are being traded and due to this fact, there are lot of possibilities for the market to be manipulated into the direction the whales prefer. One whale may neutralize the another one but when two or more whales are deciding to take the market into their own preferred direction then we can witness manipulation even in large markets.

Only the marketcap is one trillion and not the volume of open orders. It means if whales or exchange people decide about $100 or $1000 movement for their benefits, then they can like what all they do, is only initiating and then rest of market traders will join them to push further as rest of market believe about shit of direction. Yeah, short term manipulation is always possible regardless marketcap size.

Yeah, 100% true and possible. And, we can be ignorant of such manipulations because those big player can play only for short term like they cannot change a whole bullish year into bearish and vice versa.

Market manipulation is real but I don't want to completely look at it from the negative perspective. There's a positive to it and that's to recreate wealth and help on its redistribution. For those who do that, I guess it's for the sole reason of taking profit but it often leads to a dump because of the panic mindset of paperhands. If anyone has ever hedl a large number of tokens, I challenge them to monitor how the market reacts in price when they sell. Sometimes one may not want to do it (sell off) but for the fun of it, one may try such an experiment. It's the same way I feel whales or those who hodl large quantity also do it a sport. It feels really cool realizing that the market reacts to such move. Nothing stops anyone utilizing an opportunity they know too well to re-enter the market and make more out of it. It becomes a problem when it's done criminally.

Price manipulation in this market has always been a reality, although this fact is very sad

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In the past, it was more common for bad news to be spread so that the price would drop a lot and people would buy. When it was realized that the news was not true, the price would go back up, so this is a form of market manipulation. This has happened a lot in altcoins to this day. Altcoin creators stay on the old Twitter posting positive news so that the price of the altcoin would go up a lot. Some people usually have early access to the news and buy a lot, and unfortunately those who buy late are the ones who end up with losses. This is also a form of market manipulation.

Market manipulation is really unavoidable, it has always been a game played by the Whales with the massive transactions they make.
By utilizing the large capital they use, the movement of their money alone will affect the fundamentals of the crypto market, because every movement of whales will be detected by the Bot, and it will be an indication of whether to dump or pump, the market will be very volatile with the movement of whales.

Not only whales, market manipulation is also caused by the derivatives market and the market sentiment that occurs.
some media outlets that provide news about Bitcoin or big influencers who are trying to influence the price of bitcoin, such as when Elon Musk mentioned bitcoin and planned to use it as payment for Tesla etc., but it was only a temporary effect that then the market would find its way back.

Although the market capitalization of Bitcoin and Ethereum is huge, it will not guarantee it will be free from manipulation, there will always be manipulation that is trying to influence the price of the crypto market.

To second this I will give example of when a coin is been manipulated by exchange first example is this exchanges can announce promotion for holders of such coins and this actually prompt even those who are not on the platform to hold on to their tokens just because they feel it is bullish sign, another example of exchanges manipulating coins is by announcing the delisting of this tokens on their exchanges and this devalue the token even on other exchanges, if you’re even a day trader you will simply just short at this period. Also we all know of the binance impact too, once they announce they are listing the token it create bullish market for the token or coin, although this are mostly associated with low cap coins/tokens.

Large Market cap tokens like bitcoin are usually manipulated not directly but by shaking up the narrative of its investors and this is through fundamental news like economical news; a report of any downturn looming will simply create a bearish narrative, a news of big whales like Microstrategy and the recent ETFs will also create bearish sentiment also the opposite of each of them will create bullish momentum. But one thing is that this narrative only affects the market for a short term and that’s why it is usually said that bitcoin is hardly manipulated

Pretty sure a majority of the memecoins that are out there are examples of manipulated markets? Ofc it's harder to see on bigger and well known markets like Bitcoin and other big alts, but it's pretty obvious at times in some shitcoins that we see. Even in the Bitcoin market, I reckon there's some manipulation happening there but probably a lot smaller in terms of scale, and probably reduced in both impact and duration.

And also, it wouldn't really be an effective manipulation if people can easily see it like that, especially in big markets lol. It also doesn't even need to be direct to the prices, just touching on FOMO and the like would be enough imo to say that someone is swaying the market already.

Market manipulation is already that evident or something that do really happens even if we do speak about on to those traditional markets that we do know. Somehow this crypto space
isnt really that something that they could really be able to control on just because of that having that decentralized aspect on where supply is really that scattered into investors who do support and invest on it.
Somehow as the years passing by on which government involvement had become that evident with those ETF's and other institution which are trying out to accumulate as much as they could
then its not surprising that they would be making up those kind of possible manipulations in regarding on playing with those news or simply fundamentals.

Manipulation is real but they wouldnt really be doing it on obvious manner. Of course they would really be such on big trouble if they would really be doing it.
Tons of eyes would really be that too highly reactive if they would be able to see something that involves about obvious manipulation.

Actually the market manipulation happens with the Bitcoin and ETH as well. But when it happens in large scale, the whole crypto market get affected. I don't remember the date, But we had such manipulation a couple of months ago before the ETF approval of Bitcoin. I am sure you are aware about Bitcoinmagazine.com which is also a leading crypto news website. Before the ETF approval, they did a huge manipulation by spreading fake news about Bitcoin ETF approval and they made millions of dollars. At first, they opened a long position on Rollbit and tweeted saying the SEC approved Bitcoin ETF. Bitcoin pumped from 27K to 30K or something like that. But later, they said it was a mistake which means the news is not true. But they closed the position before they tweet again with an apology for spreading the fake news.

That is true. Fundamental is a good way to manipulate the market for high cap coins like bitcoin. They try to create anxiety and panic with the news, thereby making weakers hands to sell off. For small capital coins or let's say shitcoins, it is not difficult to do by the whales but for decentralized coins, they go by the news created by the media.

Just for instance, the media has accumulated much news towards the November US election and this will be very good tool for manipulating the cryptocurrency market and bitcoin the mother coin.

Obviously it's real, less so in bitcoin because it requires billions to manipulate it or a lot of news but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen at all, it happens but a lot less, whereas with smaller coins and tokens we see manipulation almost every single day in something, today it could be X coin and tomorrow it could be Y token but we are seeing them doing something like that and we should not be worried about it at all. It's definitely a great situation and we can definitely see this as profitable if we are on the right side.

Manipulation is something we can't avoid because it's a free market and there aren't really any type of regulations that stops manipulation, you can do even insider trading and nothing that could be done very easily without a trouble. Governments will not end up making any changes or punish anyone if they do any regulation at all.

Market manipulation can be done by big players on listed coins and tokens but it seems difficult to manipulate Bitcoin.
Bitcoin as the coin with the highest market cap with a limited amount makes it a coin that is very difficult to manipulate the market even though there are rumors that Bitcoin can also be manipulated.
If there is a big company that has a lot of Bitcoin, it has the potential to change the market price, it is still understandable. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree with you; exchanges also can manipulate a coin, especially i see in the major exchanges they holding 30%-50% coins from total circulating supply, so if they will start to sell their coins, no one can stop them but reputed exchange will never do that. Most of the time manipulation is happen by individual who holding a significant amount of tokens, team's can do that.

Yes market manipulation is real. its like when some billion dollar party says they are buying crypto before they actually buy it, is most likely to spread the word out to create hype, and when the hype slows, the price dumps a little more than it was before, and they buy at that time. I mean, big organizations have their own way of buying BTC even if they are doing OTC, they get better rates plus such manipulative techniques to create hype.

Currently, everyone is buying BTC (if) in the hope that Donald will be elected as the president, then the market will boom, but what if it doesn't happen, the hype only will move the price up and the buyers (smart ones) will already be out of the market when the elections will be near because anything can happen in elections what if Donald failed.

I once created a thread about is Pump and Dump is real in BTC you can read that for more ideas.

This one argument that has long been going on ,but this something that I believe is real,  else there wouldn't be something called liquidity
too. When they say market manipulation, it involves liquidity the money that moves the market, so if you're a smart money trader or investor, you literally can move market to any direction of your choice, provided there are funds or required liquidity to do so..

Yes it is.. that's why we have inducement or PO3

It's every where.

It is true for all markets, and for Bitcoin or altcoins, big cap or small cap.

You will realize it easily by thinking of market cap of cryptocurrency market and market cap of stocks market. If you realize that stocks market can be manipulated, you will easily see that why Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market can be manipulated too.

Then you will realize that why cryptocurrencies with either small, medium or big market cap, all can be manipulated.