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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 09:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Even large-cap coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum can be manipulated due to whale activity, margin trading liquidations, fake news affecting sentiment, and low regulation. These factors can cause significant price swings despite their decentralization.

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Quote from: irhact on October 14, 2024, 10:35:28 AM

Quote from: TheUltraElite on October 11, 2024, 04:37:54 AM

Every 24hours a certain "nobody talks about" altcoin will get a 400% rise in market price. These are pumped by shill groups and dumped on that group as well. To be clear of them, dont deal with coins that have no social presence one fine morning because its price is pumping. These are risky gamblers and those who manipulate the prices know what they are going to do.

Some individuals are still going to fall to coins and tokens pumping without any reason and they'll think the tokens will continue to pump but they don't last. When the rest of the market starts noticing the tokens pumping and they want to buy to join the trend, the individuals that were manipulating the price will sell. Don't believe anybody talking about the next altcoins to pump or not as what they're doing is called shilling and this people only do this when they have already bought the tokens and looking for those to dump them on. Market manipulation are real and they're happening everyday right in the front of our eyes but only when you pay attention that's when you'll notice it.

market manipulation is so clear especially in solana memes.

literally every single one of them have some big whales at play, i'm talking about the big meme coin that got valued high out of the blue, if you see clearly. there will always be some big whales owning huge percentage of allocation and the coin pumps out of nowhere, it's a clear sign of soon-to-be-rugpull meme coin.

fortunately such manipulation don't occur that much in an altcoin with billions of market cap, because it's just too expensive.

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Quote from: irhact on October 14, 2024, 10:35:28 AM

Quote from: TheUltraElite on October 11, 2024, 04:37:54 AM

Every 24hours a certain "nobody talks about" altcoin will get a 400% rise in market price. These are pumped by shill groups and dumped on that group as well. To be clear of them, dont deal with coins that have no social presence one fine morning because its price is pumping. These are risky gamblers and those who manipulate the prices know what they are going to do.

Some individuals are still going to fall to coins and tokens pumping without any reason and they'll think the tokens will continue to pump but they don't last. When the rest of the market starts noticing the tokens pumping and they want to buy to join the trend, the individuals that were manipulating the price will sell. Don't believe anybody talking about the next altcoins to pump or not as what they're doing is called shilling and this people only do this when they have already bought the tokens and looking for those to dump them on. Market manipulation are real and they're happening everyday right in the front of our eyes but only when you pay attention that's when you'll notice it.

Well, this is very often seen where a particular coin that is not even noticed experiences a very significant spike, even for no apparent reason. Well, when this coin gets a lot of attention and maybe many people also enter it, then coins like this tend to stay in place and not long after there is a decline. So the point is that we should not be tempted by things like this, because with a significant increase like that we can be said to be a little behind. and when we buy, it is not impossible that it is the ATH point. People create hype with the aim of profit, those who enter first at a lower price and when many people pay attention, they are the first to sell.

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Quote from: Baki202 on October 16, 2024, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: irhact on October 14, 2024, 10:35:28 AM

Some individuals are still going to fall to coins and tokens pumping without any reason and they'll think the tokens will continue to pump but they don't last. When the rest of the market starts noticing the tokens pumping and they want to buy to join the trend, the individuals that were manipulating the price will sell. Don't believe anybody talking about the next altcoins to pump or not as what they're doing is called shilling and this people only do this when they have already bought the tokens and looking for those to dump them on. Market manipulation are real and they're happening everyday right in the front of our eyes but only when you pay attention that's when you'll notice it.

What they call hype and pump is very popular when it comes crypto entirely this is something that is very common among the Altcoins only few of this coins survive. Some of them will even start well and the next thing is collapse the market is wild and it is clear that is not every project that will survive the market most times. People have one particular habit that the moment they see a project trending the next thing is to buy with proper knowledge about the project and the is what people lack they are always failing to do their own research they will rather buy at risk.

And the people that are manipulating the market the moment they sell it as finished because they will just abandon the project and they won't care what happens to it. Doing shilling is just one fucked up situation you will not want to find your self, because if that coin is mistakenly dumped on anyone it's not going to be nice not at all because at the end of the day you won't even get a buyer, later and over time it becomes useless to the person because what you can not sell is useless.

If we do really tend to look out and sees on how many coins/tokens died out along the way then we could really say that everything would really be that basing up on demand and recognition.
How much more on seeing into those coins/tokens which are really that traded on decentralized exchangers? We do know that every minute there's a new shitcoin being born at the same time there
are those who died right away or wither out on the moment that the investors leave out. Market manipulation is indeed real and thats why you should really be that careful on trying out to ride up with the waves and if you are really that becoming that too desperate then this is where things do start on being messy. This is why its really that important that you should really know at least on what are the things that you are really that indeed doing.

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Quote from: irhact on October 14, 2024, 10:35:28 AM

Some individuals are still going to fall to coins and tokens pumping without any reason and they'll think the tokens will continue to pump but they don't last. When the rest of the market starts noticing the tokens pumping and they want to buy to join the trend, the individuals that were manipulating the price will sell. Don't believe anybody talking about the next altcoins to pump or not as what they're doing is called shilling and this people only do this when they have already bought the tokens and looking for those to dump them on. Market manipulation are real and they're happening everyday right in the front of our eyes but only when you pay attention that's when you'll notice it.

What they call hype and pump is very popular when it comes crypto entirely this is something that is very common among the Altcoins only few of this coins survive. Some of them will even start well and the next thing is collapse the market is wild and it is clear that is not every project that will survive the market most times. People have one particular habit that the moment they see a project trending the next thing is to buy with proper knowledge about the project and the is what people lack they are always failing to do their own research they will rather buy at risk.

And the people that are manipulating the market the moment they sell it as finished because they will just abandon the project and they won't care what happens to it. Doing shilling is just one fucked up situation you will not want to find your self, because if that coin is mistakenly dumped on anyone it's not going to be nice not at all because at the end of the day you won't even get a buyer, later and over time it becomes useless to the person because what you can not sell is useless.

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Quote from: irhact on October 14, 2024, 10:35:28 AM

Quote from: TheUltraElite on October 11, 2024, 04:37:54 AM

Every 24hours a certain "nobody talks about" altcoin will get a 400% rise in market price. These are pumped by shill groups and dumped on that group as well. To be clear of them, dont deal with coins that have no social presence one fine morning because its price is pumping. These are risky gamblers and those who manipulate the prices know what they are going to do.

Some individuals are still going to fall to coins and tokens pumping without any reason and they'll think the tokens will continue to pump but they don't last. When the rest of the market starts noticing the tokens pumping and they want to buy to join the trend, the individuals that were manipulating the price will sell. Don't believe anybody talking about the next altcoins to pump or not as what they're doing is called shilling and this people only do this when they have already bought the tokens and looking for those to dump them on. Market manipulation are real and they're happening everyday right in the front of our eyes but only when you pay attention that's when you'll notice it.

Its the ones who are impatient, who dont see Bitcoin as a viable option to invest in for the future.
They are hoping to be holding that $hitcoin that gets the 400% pump so they can sell and buy their Lambo.
There is very little belief in any $hitcoin other than the belief it will pump sometime.

The market manipulation is coming from "pump and dump" groups whose sole intent is to create
fake value for the particular $hitcoin in order to hand off their bags to those buying thinking
the market will continue to rise.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on October 11, 2024, 04:37:54 AM

Every 24hours a certain "nobody talks about" altcoin will get a 400% rise in market price. These are pumped by shill groups and dumped on that group as well. To be clear of them, dont deal with coins that have no social presence one fine morning because its price is pumping. These are risky gamblers and those who manipulate the prices know what they are going to do.

Some individuals are still going to fall to coins and tokens pumping without any reason and they'll think the tokens will continue to pump but they don't last. When the rest of the market starts noticing the tokens pumping and they want to buy to join the trend, the individuals that were manipulating the price will sell. Don't believe anybody talking about the next altcoins to pump or not as what they're doing is called shilling and this people only do this when they have already bought the tokens and looking for those to dump them on. Market manipulation are real and they're happening everyday right in the front of our eyes but only when you pay attention that's when you'll notice it.

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Quote from: lixer on October 04, 2024, 01:23:01 PM

Quote from: CageMabok on September 28, 2024, 11:28:47 AM

Quote from: Ararbermas on September 25, 2024, 08:08:31 AM

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity . Cheesy

Traders should also be a little aggressive when market manipulators become very aggressive in manipulating the price of altcoins in the market. And if traders are not able to be aggressive through certain altcoins, then choose altcoins that cannot be manipulated by these manipulators. Because not all coins can be manipulated in the market so we need to find out that in order not to make a mistake in choosing a coin when we want to trade very safely in certain conditions or moments.

Usually traders now how things are working, and they are also understood when things are manipulated so mostly they are having their own signals during this time which works for them and their nearby peoples because in most cases peoples those are having nothing experience and solid strategy they are target, and they lost huge amounts as well which are surely not good, but things are happening in crypto world in last few years as many mentioned mostly are happening in small cap coins it's correct.

But we need to understand one thing in few cases big whales having good understanding between them with their interest are also having good profit in small time so they can start things like these by their own which helps them, and they give each other good support as well now in few countries things like these are common in many markets because they can earn more than their expectations with these manipulations.

Even just using up your own common sense then you would really be able to find yourself with those potential odd movement or behavior that you do have. When it comes to the moment that there's so much news
which is really that related to those institutions or government news then you could really be able to assume that they are really that getting involved with that and this isnt something new anymore.

Is it real? For sure it is, but those people or institutions will really be having those involvement then you could be able to assume that they are really that having those potential manipulation
but they wont really be making it too obvious. We do know that when it comes into this manner then there's nothing we can do about it. We us shrimp investors would really be that
going along with the waves on which it will really be something that this is something that we can do.

Just like been said that it will really be not too obvious but as an experienced investor or trader then you would really be able to assume
that there will really be always those tendency or chances of possible movements.

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Quote from: CageMabok on September 28, 2024, 11:28:47 AM

Traders should also be a little aggressive when market manipulators become very aggressive in manipulating the price of altcoins in the market.

Or they could just wait it out till the dust settles and get back in the game afterwards. Again this would not work with day trading which is why I avoid day trading.

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And if traders are not able to be aggressive through certain altcoins, then choose altcoins that cannot be manipulated by these manipulators. Because not all coins can be manipulated in the market so we need to find out that in order not to make a mistake in choosing a coin when we want to trade very safely in certain conditions or moments.

Every 24hours a certain "nobody talks about" altcoin will get a 400% rise in market price. These are pumped by shill groups and dumped on that group as well. To be clear of them, dont deal with coins that have no social presence one fine morning because its price is pumping. These are risky gamblers and those who manipulate the prices know what they are going to do.

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Quote from: CageMabok on September 28, 2024, 11:28:47 AM

Quote from: Ararbermas on September 25, 2024, 08:08:31 AM

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity . Cheesy

Traders should also be a little aggressive when market manipulators become very aggressive in manipulating the price of altcoins in the market. And if traders are not able to be aggressive through certain altcoins, then choose altcoins that cannot be manipulated by these manipulators. Because not all coins can be manipulated in the market so we need to find out that in order not to make a mistake in choosing a coin when we want to trade very safely in certain conditions or moments.

Usually traders now how things are working, and they are also understood when things are manipulated so mostly they are having their own signals during this time which works for them and their nearby peoples because in most cases peoples those are having nothing experience and solid strategy they are target, and they lost huge amounts as well which are surely not good, but things are happening in crypto world in last few years as many mentioned mostly are happening in small cap coins it's correct.

But we need to understand one thing in few cases big whales having good understanding between them with their interest are also having good profit in small time so they can start things like these by their own which helps them, and they give each other good support as well now in few countries things like these are common in many markets because they can earn more than their expectations with these manipulations.

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Quote from: Huppercase on September 30, 2024, 01:27:38 PM

I don't just hear, it's something I see all the time in the crypto market, right now if you go to Dex screener and check all the meme coins, they are been manipulated everyday so it can favour their own plans. Only traders with huge money and influence can manipulate the market, though only influence work on Bitcoin, you can't manipulate the price for Bitcoin with money because it is too huge that's why only influential people can do and undo.

However, altcoins are the main manipulated coins, someone who has a large number of YouTube and directed his subscribers to buy a particular coins and the demand can skyrocket the price and sometimes they even team with people that has money to move the price of a coin, they be doing the shilling while the money/market makers be doing their thing in the background and this is made possible because it's very easy to manipulate the price with low market cap and small number of holders.

Lower cap coins and tokens being manipulated is one thing that we can all agree on, there is no doubt about the fact that there is manipulation when the volume is low because you do not need a lot of money to manipulate something like that. Whatever can be manipulated with just a few million dollars could be and will be manipulated, even if manipulation hasn't happened yet, it will happen eventually.

What we need right now is something much bigger, something so high on volume that a few million dollars wouldn't change a thing. When it comes to bitcoin, I do not think that there is a manipulation, not big anyway, we decide what is going to happen and if we want to keep bitcoin high then we will just buy and hold it high.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 09:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I don't just hear, it's something I see all the time in the crypto market, right now if you go to Dex screener and check all the meme coins, they are been manipulated everyday so it can favour their own plans. Only traders with huge money and influence can manipulate the market, though only influence work on Bitcoin, you can't manipulate the price for Bitcoin with money because it is too huge that's why only influential people can do and undo.

However, altcoins are the main manipulated coins, someone who has a large number of YouTube and directed his subscribers to buy a particular coins and the demand can skyrocket the price and sometimes they even team with people that has money to move the price of a coin, they be doing the shilling while the money/market makers be doing their thing in the background and this is made possible because it's very easy to manipulate the price with low market cap and small number of holders.

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Quote from: CageMabok on September 28, 2024, 11:28:47 AM

Quote from: Ararbermas on September 25, 2024, 08:08:31 AM

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity . Cheesy

Traders should also be a little aggressive when market manipulators become very aggressive in manipulating the price of altcoins in the market. And if traders are not able to be aggressive through certain altcoins, then choose altcoins that cannot be manipulated by these manipulators. Because not all coins can be manipulated in the market so we need to find out that in order not to make a mistake in choosing a coin when we want to trade very safely in certain conditions or moments.

that'd spell your bankruptcy if you trying to go on the aggressive side again whale manipulator with capital thousand times bigger than ours.
the only way is just to follow the flow if you can figure out the pattern or just completely back out, because they most of the time will outsmart us.

the better solution is what you mentioned, just stay away from highly manipulated coin and settle for the manipulation free pairs, usually those coin that are among the top ranked by mc worth.

me personally, everytime I see highly suspectible coin that just keeps on having big pump out of the blue despite forming bearish pattern based on TA, i just choose to back out.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on September 25, 2024, 08:08:31 AM

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity . Cheesy

Traders should also be a little aggressive when market manipulators become very aggressive in manipulating the price of altcoins in the market. And if traders are not able to be aggressive through certain altcoins, then choose altcoins that cannot be manipulated by these manipulators. Because not all coins can be manipulated in the market so we need to find out that in order not to make a mistake in choosing a coin when we want to trade very safely in certain conditions or moments.

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Quote from: Shishir99 on September 21, 2024, 06:56:19 AM

Look, If the government entity gets involved in manipulating the market, that will be a real shame. The size of the ETF market is getting bigger every day and companies like Blackrock can manipulate the market. But if you see the recent case, it wasn't from any of those ETF companies or from the government entity. The manipulation was from the news media which is BitcoinMagazine.

I cannot imagine an online news media to do these manipulations. Luckily, people were able to catch them placing bets on Rollbit. Or else, we would never know it was just a pre-planned thing that they executed. They didn't admit that, but you should understand it.

But, I think a media is only like a slave (no offense). I mean they just publish the news but the source doesn't originally came from them, rather it was from the people. Some corrupt media can also get bribes to publish a fake news. So we don't know, what if the manipulation was ordered by some ETF companies or government entities? I'm only wondering on what it has to do with them playing on an online casino? And how are they be able to get caught? I think they won't use their real identity to play gambling. Also anyone can set up any names they like. So, it's possible that the name or the account was only owned by someone else.

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Quote from: shawonngp on September 24, 2024, 11:46:21 AM

Quote from: fuguebtc on September 22, 2024, 10:54:20 AM

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Not only did they not admit what they did, they also tried to arrange everything to happen as naturally as possible so that no one would suspect anything .

The nature of the financial market is nothing more than a giant casino where everyone has only one goal, to make a lot of money and become rich, where our greed is pushed to the maximum . So it is hard to believe that they will keep everything transparent and create a fair playing field for everyone. The game is theirs and they will not be so kind as to spend money to create a playing field where they will likely be the losers . So they will use any trick to get our money because they know if we were in their shoes, we would do the same .

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/elon-musk-tesla-cleared-in-258b-dogecoin-class-action-lawsuit/3317490#

Despite being exonerated by the court, but anyone who has experienced the 2021 bull run will understand how blatantly Elon manipulated the market Cheesy

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Since this thread posted in Trading Discussion, so I will talk about trading.

Manipulation not only happen in the market, but it start from so called "trading strategies".

You know the bull and bear sign? like double top mean bearish, three bullish soldiers mean bullish etc.

When they have share this fake trading strategies, they will try to manipulate the market by become the buyer and seller to make that kind sign.

They will draw the chart like double top, people will think it's bearish because they sold all of their coins, but it's actually fake, they bought all of the coins and then coins price rise really high, it contradicts the "trading strategies".

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Quote from: Ararbermas on September 25, 2024, 08:08:31 AM

If its not real there will be no fluctuations, i mean a huge up and down that no one can predict especially on some alternative coins wherein manipulators were so aggressive when they see an opportunity . Cheesy

I also think like you. Manipulation in the crypto market is real and often occurs because manipulation in the crypto market is often done to influence the price or behavior of crypto assets as a whole and is usually done by whales or a group of people to gain financial gain in a short time.

One way of market manipulation can be seen from repeated trading activities in an instant. So that the repeated buying and selling of cryptocurrencies will indirectly create the illusion of increasing demand. So that after this simulated demand occurs, it can cause a price increase, and of course the goal is to attract investors and not infrequently many beginners are trapped in this market manipulation. Therefore, we must be observant in studying the market, because the crypto market is not only complicated to learn, but also has many unexpected surprises.

Although the bitcoin that we know no one can control, market dynamics will definitely occur and that is commonplace. That's why investing in bitcoin is very suitable for the long term so that market price manipulation will not affect our decision to hold bitcoin.

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Quote from: Cookdata on September 26, 2024, 02:21:10 PM

I will assumed that you are newbie to knowledge of trading and things around this place. Have you heard of crypto market makers? They are responsible for creation of liquidity and such people have money to make market to be liquid or dried because they have the money to make the market do their ways. If they want the market to go down, they have the power and if they want to pump the price, they also have the power and this is why even the centralized exchanges works with them hand to hand.

Some of the coins you see that are been listed on exchange and get pump, you think it's the traders that buy them and make it go up? No, it's not. When you check the number of people that are buying and selling, they bought most of the time to create a but pressure so the traders and retailers can dump with causing damage to the price. We have many of them out there and doesn't work with exchanges, they operate independently and can make any coin do their ways, manipulate people into buying and sell when they like. That's how this market works.

I do not think that they have the "power" because if person A doesn't make the market and leaves, then person B will make the market and take that profit. Since there is a profit to be made from it, we won't see everyone leaving all at the same time unless there is a huge bear market, this is why I think we are not going to see everyone leaving the market alone like that all that easily, it will not be similar at all.

We are going to see one or the other end up making the market and provide liquidity so that they could make some profit. I have seen this even further at DEX, where people who put money to provide liquidity were rushing as son as others left, so they could make that profit. Manipulation exists of course, just not that way, not too much at least.

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Quote from: FortuneFollower on September 26, 2024, 01:49:47 AM

We can either blame them or join them, try, at least - Smart money is flowing each second, and it's our opportunity to see the flow and go onto the wave too. However, most of the time, news and actions of theirs would remain unknown to us, thus, we won't be able to utilize the info properly and in time.

If we do not get the info in time, there is no way we can join them. You don't really know what is their next action. Especially in the case like BitcoinMagazine, it happened only in a couple of hours and most of people were not aware of such market movement. For me, I guess I wasn't even online when it happened. When I came back online, I saw what happened. Imagine what happened with the people who had a open short position. A lot of traders loss millions of dollars which was liquidated on exchanges while some others made some money. The most beneficial was BitcoinMagazine themself. They made some instant money just in a couple of minutes/hours.

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