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September 22, 2024, 10:54:20 AM
#50
I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.
Why manipulation is not true? like just imagine if you are a owner of a project and your team is holding 30% coins in total supply, if your team is start selling all of those coins, that will not be highly reflected in the coin price? of course price will be crash, so it's simple thing about market manipulation which is very much true.

Has any thief just stolen and shouted : "I'm a thief, catch me, catch me" ? Or is there any criminal who kills someone and then admits to being the murderer and publicly announces it to everyone ?  Grin Grin Grin


It is true that we do not have any concrete evidence of market manipulation but that does not mean that the market is not manipulated . Even the stock market with a capitalization of over $100 trillion has been involved in multiple market manipulation scandals , let alone a small market like cryptocurrency .

@rhodelmabanal , I want to ask you: if you had hundreds of billions of dollars, would you invest transparently and make sure not to do anything shady ?  Or will you find ways and connect with others to manipulate the market to ensure your safety and make bigger profits ? Just because we don't see it or don't do it , doesn't mean someone else won't or it won't happen .
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September 22, 2024, 10:45:09 AM
#49
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I won't disagree to this because I believe it is certainly possible. Market manipulation does exists in stock markets and crypto markets.
We have already seen pump and dumps happening with altcoins and meme coins.
So all we need is enough capital and bitcoin is not exempt from this possibility too.
There are few entities which hold a large amount of bitcoins and if they execute it properly then bitcoin price can certainly be manipulated even though it's hard to tell but it is.
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September 22, 2024, 10:29:49 AM
#48
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.
Why manipulation is not true? like just imagine if you are a owner of a project and your team is holding 30% coins in total supply, if your team is start selling all of those coins, that will not be highly reflected in the coin price? of course price will be crash, so it's simple thing about market manipulation which is very much true.
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September 21, 2024, 06:56:19 AM
#47
its not surprising that they would be making up those kind of possible manipulations in regarding on playing with those news or simply fundamentals.

Look, If the government entity gets involved in manipulating the market, that will be a real shame. The size of the ETF market is getting bigger every day and companies like Blackrock can manipulate the market. But if you see the recent case, it wasn't from any of those ETF companies or from the government entity. The manipulation was from the news media which is BitcoinMagazine.

I cannot imagine an online news media to do these manipulations. Luckily, people were able to catch them placing bets on Rollbit. Or else, we would never know it was just a pre-planned thing that they executed. They didn't admit that, but you should understand it. 
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September 21, 2024, 03:18:01 AM
#46
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.
Your assumption is not correct. Markets are manipulated and big investors and gamblers can create volatile situations in the market and it has happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future. But they don't do it every time. They conduct their surveys on investors' interest in investments and the attitudes of holders and try to influence the market. They do this for the benefit of a group and try to exploit the market by destabilizing it.
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September 20, 2024, 10:02:13 PM
#45
be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
Some people still believe that news can be used to manipulate the market. Example is if the United States SEC X account that was compromised could have been actually done by someone intentionally. The aim of the person could be to manipulate the crypto market. But aside that, I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.
The media plays on everyone's speculation which eventually creates a kind of price manipulation in the market. But once again the context of manipulation can differ in opinion, sometimes we consider it manipulation because it has pressure on the assets owned, therefore as a holder the thing I avoid the most is reacting to information that risks making your grip unbalanced. In any case, information is a weapon that has an important role, in today era you don't need to cause destruction with weapons because with any information it can be manipulated including in the crypto market which relies on speculation that can be obtained by anyone.
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September 20, 2024, 07:38:16 PM
#44
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
Many crypto players still ask questions about what caused the manipulation that has been carried out over the years when market prices rose and fell. This usually happens at times that cannot be determined when the manipulation does not only occur in stablecoins without exception, large coins such as bitcoin and ethereum also have the impact of manipulation. I think you also got the news and are sure that market manipulation occurs in large cryptocurrencies.

Coin manipulation will hardly be possible as coins have low market capacity. Every market can be manipulated depending on market demand, although manipulation is very difficult to prove.
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September 20, 2024, 05:59:43 PM
#43
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.
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September 19, 2024, 05:53:09 PM
#42
The manipulation happens more often with low cap tokens and the large ones like bitcoin and ethereum are mostly affected by news which many will also view as manipulating the market. The bitcoin market cap is so big that it can be manipulated by a single entity just like we see in other low cap coins. Asides news, I haven’t seen something that big that will have effect on the bitcoin market on a less broader scale.

Market manipulation happens more in altcoins and those with low cap because with small quantity of dollars, you can have an effect on the price of the coins. Before anybody will want to manipulate the price of Bitcoin, they first have to own alot of money and still they can find it hard to want to manipulated the price therefore it is only through rumors, news and fud that they can use to manipulate the price. After the news has had its effects on the market then they can begin to sell If they want the market to fall or buy when they want the market to start rising. Cryptocurrency market is full of manipulation but you can avoid getting affected by not being moved by the news or the market. Just ignore them and continue to keep investing base on your strategy and you will be safe from manipulation.
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September 19, 2024, 12:17:02 PM
#41
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
Unavoidably when whale holders sell of at any point, there's usually an effect on the market and this cuts across all coins and tokens, some persons do mistaken this actions for market manipulation but fail to understand that these holding were mainly because of profit making and other tangible reasons of which when such is accomplished, taking of profit, partially or fully becomes the next line of action,o I literally see that as a normal human reactions to happenings around the market but a typical manipulation happens with tokens that have most of its holdings with a particular circle or the exchange that created them, they could do this for certain reasons, probably to cause better volatility or liquidation of small holder from which they benefit after the inducement of these retail trades I to panic buying or selling, its more common with small tokens and unstable coins, but with Bitcoin I wouldn't call it manipulation because almost nobody has got a monopoly of it as do other coins and tokens.
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September 19, 2024, 09:32:50 AM
#40
Could be real or Could be not? Even if a large institution makes a sell or buy with their asset it's just a small portion of pump and dump that will happen there's some traders will always catch the market price or sell their asset just to make a cut loss, if the number of traders makes a panic buying and selling that's the time the market makes a dump and people seeing there's a manipulation, I guess it happens with the small cap coins but in bitcoin I guess its a really huge bitcoin amount needed.
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September 18, 2024, 06:40:26 PM
#39
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Manipulation of the market is a word that every crypto enthusiast is familiar with and everyone in the crypto space have heard about. Truth be said, manipulation do occur in the market and we have seen the effect it has on the market several times. The manipulation happens more often with low cap tokens and the large ones like bitcoin and ethereum are mostly affected by news which many will also view as manipulating the market. The bitcoin market cap is so big that it can be manipulated by a single entity just like we see in other low cap coins. Asides news, I haven’t seen something that big that will have effect on the bitcoin market on a less broader scale.
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September 18, 2024, 06:38:37 PM
#38
be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
Some people still believe that news can be used to manipulate the market. Example is if the United States SEC X account that was compromised could have been actually done by someone intentionally. The aim of the person could be to manipulate the crypto market. But aside that, I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.
Market manipulation for bitcoin is quite low and limited, unlike ethereum and other pump and dump altcoins, they become highly affected whatever news that affect the market. However, if there are crypto whales who are holding significant amount of bitcoin but then eventually sell or buy massive amount, then definitely bitcoin price will be influenced by it. It’s just that big whales could eventually turn as manipulators that’s why they are using this edge if they want something to happen in the market.
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September 18, 2024, 06:06:12 PM
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Let's take, for instance, when the German government moved their bitcoin holdings into exchange wallets. There was a panic that such movement caused in the market, and many people, out of fear, sold out their holdings. During that period before they finished dumping all their holdings, there was a drop in the market. If there were some other parties in play that wanted to acquire large volumes of bitcoin using small amounts, they could always make use of such an opportunity.

I dont think this is what market manipulation is. Market manipulation would of been if they secretly sold or went short bitcoin and then later on they went in public and they said they will dump all those coins. They had those coins for a while, just like FTX, just like MtGox and people knew that eventually they would sell them. Same with US Government, we all know one day they will sell another batch of Bitcoins.

So unless some government official, goes shorts on their own personal account or they leak the news to some trading firm in secret and that firm goes short and then later they make an announcement that they are dumping their bitcoins, then its manipulation. But what they did so far doesn't really count as manipulating the market.
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September 18, 2024, 05:00:36 PM
#36
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
Any market can be manipulated, but it's hard for coins with high capitalisation to be manipulated easily, but that does not mean they are above being manipulated; all that just has to be done is that they need a big strategy to pull that manipulation off in order for it to work. A government with high economic power can manipulate the market in a way that we don't expect it indirectly.
 
Let's take, for instance, when the German government moved their bitcoin holdings into exchange wallets. There was a panic that such movement caused in the market, and many people, out of fear, sold out their holdings. During that period before they finished dumping all their holdings, there was a drop in the market. If there were some other parties in play that wanted to acquire large volumes of bitcoin using small amounts, they could always make use of such an opportunity.
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September 18, 2024, 03:51:00 PM
#35
Market manipulation is real but I don't want to completely look at it from the negative perspective. There's a positive to it and that's to recreate wealth and help on its redistribution. For those who do that, I guess it's for the sole reason of taking profit but it often leads to a dump because of the panic mindset of paperhands. If anyone has ever hedl a large number of tokens, I challenge them to monitor how the market reacts in price when they sell. Sometimes one may not want to do it (sell off) but for the fun of it, one may try such an experiment. It's the same way I feel whales or those who hodl large quantity also do it a sport. It feels really cool realizing that the market reacts to such move. Nothing stops anyone utilizing an opportunity they know too well to re-enter the market and make more out of it. It becomes a problem when it's done criminally.
Not sure what you mean though that it will recreate wealth and distribute when when only a few can take advantage of their own manipulation. And once we understand what is going on, it's over for us small players and average joe as the manipulators was able to get away and make profits.

It's very hard to do it or consider as a sport, but maybe it's a gamble for them and they know that it will pay off handsomely. I remember some movements way back 2018 or 2019, when there were reports that 3 whales was able to move a huge amount of Bitcoin simultaneously on a coordinate manipulate ensuring them of millions of profits while the rest of us was not able to ride the waves with this big whales,
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September 18, 2024, 02:23:47 PM
#34
We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
I think if it's with the large cap coins, it's about the influence that someone employs through the news. Remember the FUD that's always being said when the market is going turmoil? that's how they are manipulating it and that crashes the market quickly when the news is too impactful to say. Like now, we're having the FED cut rates and haven't seen some movement yet although from yesterday or the other day we've seen some quick increase. But what's next? I'm expecting something negative from the market that shall create a movement through the news that the media will release or whoever is going to have some statement regarding this recent event in the US. If it's about a real manipulation, maybe there is something for the big caps that we don't know because this is what volatility is all about. When it moves a lot, we tend to think that some manipulation are happening if it's against to our plans.
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September 18, 2024, 01:14:34 PM
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we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?
I agree that large coins are well established in terms of distribution and long sustaining but you need to remember that all the coin that are existing within bitcoin or ethereum network is not participating on the market trading which mean only 1% or 2% of the coins are being traded and due to this fact, there are lot of possibilities for the market to be manipulated into the direction the whales prefer. One whale may neutralize the another one but when two or more whales are deciding to take the market into their own preferred direction then we can witness manipulation even in large markets.

I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.
Only the marketcap is one trillion and not the volume of open orders. It means if whales or exchange people decide about $100 or $1000 movement for their benefits, then they can like what all they do, is only initiating and then rest of market traders will join them to push further as rest of market believe about shit of direction. Yeah, short term manipulation is always possible regardless marketcap size.

if these big players sell off their coins, btc price eventually drop its price, thus giving them chances to buy back again at an affordable value. That’s how they play with the market well.
Yeah, 100% true and possible. And, we can be ignorant of such manipulations because those big player can play only for short term like they cannot change a whole bullish year into bearish and vice versa.
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September 18, 2024, 12:39:24 PM
#32
Market manipulation is real but I don't want to completely look at it from the negative perspective. There's a positive to it and that's to recreate wealth and help on its redistribution. For those who do that, I guess it's for the sole reason of taking profit but it often leads to a dump because of the panic mindset of paperhands. If anyone has ever hedl a large number of tokens, I challenge them to monitor how the market reacts in price when they sell. Sometimes one may not want to do it (sell off) but for the fun of it, one may try such an experiment. It's the same way I feel whales or those who hodl large quantity also do it a sport. It feels really cool realizing that the market reacts to such move. Nothing stops anyone utilizing an opportunity they know too well to re-enter the market and make more out of it. It becomes a problem when it's done criminally.
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September 18, 2024, 12:37:47 PM
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Price manipulation in this market has always been a reality, although this fact is very sad

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In the past, it was more common for bad news to be spread so that the price would drop a lot and people would buy. When it was realized that the news was not true, the price would go back up, so this is a form of market manipulation. This has happened a lot in altcoins to this day. Altcoin creators stay on the old Twitter posting positive news so that the price of the altcoin would go up a lot. Some people usually have early access to the news and buy a lot, and unfortunately those who buy late are the ones who end up with losses. This is also a form of market manipulation.
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