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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

This one argument that has long been going on ,but this something that I believe is real, else there wouldn't be something called liquidity
too. When they say market manipulation, it involves liquidity the money that moves the market, so if you're a smart money trader or investor, you literally can move market to any direction of your choice, provided there are funds or required liquidity to do so..

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Yes it is.. that's why we have inducement or PO3

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market.

It's every where.

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It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

It is true for all markets, and for Bitcoin or altcoins, big cap or small cap.

You will realize it easily by thinking of market cap of cryptocurrency market and market cap of stocks market. If you realize that stocks market can be manipulated, you will easily see that why Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market can be manipulated too.

Then you will realize that why cryptocurrencies with either small, medium or big market cap, all can be manipulated.

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This is the form of market manipulation, first they make movements like real, experienced an unfair increase and make the people of Fomo to the token, also sometimes there is cooperation with certain DAOs for FOMO schemes on social media to be more interesting for others to buy tokens The project, after that they threw away the goods they had and the last person sold eventually became a market manipulation scheme, more familiarly I called it a pump to dump scheme.
This often occurs in shitcoin with small marketcap.

And from these tokens, it is minus more than 90%.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Are you forgetting that most of the coins are being traded on exchanges and many individuals are storing their coins on exchange therefore the exchange has free will to many coins that they can use to manipulation the price of any coin. Exchange can stop the withdrawal and deposit of coins on their exchange therefore limiting or increasing numbers of coins being traded. There could be direct manipulation by the exchange by interfering with the orders and either cause a pump or dump situations. Exchanges has the power to control which coins get noticed or unnoticed therefore alot of manipulation are going on with exchanges and they're going unnoticed.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

Market Manipulation! Is it real?

So, you are wondering why crypto market manipulation often occurs, while Bitcoin or crypto is often mentioned as the basis of decentralization which cannot be boxed in and cannot be interfered with by third parties, isn't that right?

You need to know that even though Bitcoin is decentralized, in terms of behavior, manipulation often occurs, especially when crypto assets are used in trading methods, for that you need Spotting the 5 Common Crypto Price Manipulation Patterns., in the market for you, to better understand the manipulation that occurs, even though crypto is decentralized.

A little explanation of why this could happen.
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Wash Trading is a variant of the whale wall technique and is used to create an illusion of an active market for a specific asset. Just like other tactics, it is illegal to do this in more mature, old economy financial markets but appears to be fair on the crypto turf as of now. Wash trading typically entails buying and selling the same asset simultaneously by one individual or a coordinated set of folks projecting a false volume. Most traders look at the volume and liquidity of an asset before they jump in and quickly discover liquidity false alarms when wash trading prevails.

If you understand the quote above, it clearly states how the crypto market manipulation process occurs, in essence the manipulation activity is illegal, even though it is illegal, it still occurs even though the crypto is Decentralized.

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Market manipulation is difficult to prove, we often hear news about this where some whales move in the market to dump.
Is that certain? Of course not, but there is still a little faith that the market can still be manipulated by some of the big whales.

Some time ago when ... a well-known article published that the bitcoin ETF was approved but in reality it was not, bitcoin skyrocketed but on the other hand the article was caught with the same name doing “LONG” to achieve huge profits from its futures trading, obviously this is like a manipulation made by their media articles.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

...But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

When we see that large amounts of coins or stablecoins are being transferred to the exchange, we can conclude which way the market will move in the near future. And when these large wallets start selling or buying Bitcoin, other market participants join them, which eventually leads to a pump or dump.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

It was easier with smaller marketcap and smaller interest, but i am certain that it happens these days as well, and it's with most altcoins it's way easier then with real stocks, like GMA when shorters just got endless pockets of loan money. Making money from short squeeze worked for a while but eventually these huge players just get more and more help from their rich friends.

And it's never a one man effort to manipulate the market. It can be group of whales shorting with leverage or by owning huge portion of the coins.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Market manipulation is true and it can be small capitalization coin or large capitalization, if in small cap coins team holding maximum of coins so team can manipulate in price but in big cap coin like Bitcoin and Ethereum there a lot of big whales who's holding billions dollar worth of coins like microstrategy holding 10 billions $ worth of Bitcoin, so they can of course manipulate in Bitcoin in any time.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I just believe that market manipulation can only be done on low-cap tokens. While for Bitcoin, it might be very difficult to do. What happens is news that can be FOMO in the community. You must have seen news related to large transactions or large asset transfers detected from wallets to exchanges or vice versa. Such events might move the minds of coin holders which can create an effect like a manipulated market.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

1.Decentralization has nothing to do with how a volatile financial asset performs on the market. Decentralization means no centralized entity having full control over the blockchain.
2."Distribution" is a weird term, and it cannot be applied to the financial markets. There will always be crypto whales, who are holding way more BTC/altcoins than the "average Joe". Many governments are also holding lots of seized coins. A perfect distribution of coins among all people is impossible.
Every market can be manipulated more or less. Some "crypto whale" selling his BTC might create a FUD effect a drive the prices down.
Some big company might start buying BTC and create a hype/FOMO phase on the market. Isn't this manipulation?

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Some people still believe that news can be used to manipulate the market. Example is if the United States SEC X account that was compromised could have been actually done by someone intentionally. The aim of the person could be to manipulate the crypto market. But aside that, I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.

What I also know is that it can affect the market, but it does not have the ability to manipulate the market; that is my understanding of that matter. Though what I know that has the ability to manipulate the market are the giant investors, such as Blackrock, Grayscale, and others.

Because these people, when they sell a large amount of bitcoin, there will definitely be a fall in the value of BTC, and when they also buy a large amount of bitcoin, they will somehow move its price up, especially if the other big whale investors are in these situations.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Decentralization and manipulation are not connected properties. A coin can be decentralized that means its supply is not controlled by a specific body, but rather distributed. It does not mean that a certain whale cannot buy them in small volumes over time to amass a large volume and then dump it on the market one day.

Distributed does not mean not manipulated, it may or may not be so.

However having observed the markets for some years I dont think this has been real in bitcoin unlike what happens in stocks. Bitcoin drops happen when bad news like hacks, bans and so happen and it starts going upwards often for public acknowledgement and exchange openings.

It is not something we long term traders need to worry about.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on September 16, 2024, 02:16:52 AM

Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Some people still believe that news can be used to manipulate the market. Example is if the United States SEC X account that was compromised could have been actually done by someone intentionally. The aim of the person could be to manipulate the crypto market. But aside that, I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.

Bitcoin's capitalization is over $1 trillion but the daily trading volume recorded by CMC is only $30 billion, which is not a big number when it comes to financial markets. Bitcoin capitalization is 1 trillion but do you remember just with news like the German government selling 2 billion or Mt.gox paying 9 billion? and if we compare with market capitalization then obviously 2 billion or 9 billion is nothing but they still cause some panic in the market.

It can be said that the market is not only manipulated by people with a lot of money but also easily manipulated by news and market makers will take full advantage of that.

In my opinion, every financial market can be manipulated and depending on the market there will be different levels, including the stock market.

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Bitcoin, despite of being decentralized, still susceptible to market manipulation most particularly for those big scale holders who are actually aiming to influence the price for the sake of their personal gains and interest. That’s why if these big players sell off their coins, btc price eventually drop its price, thus giving them chances to buy back again at an affordable value. That’s how they play with the market well.

However, wit ethereum, it’s more sensitive to how the market behaves. And its price could easily changed and affected through its market demand and supply dynamics.

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Quote from: Sabuj_pal on September 15, 2024, 10:29:22 PM

be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Some people still believe that news can be used to manipulate the market. Example is if the United States SEC X account that was compromised could have been actually done by someone intentionally. The aim of the person could be to manipulate the crypto market. But aside that, I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.

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tbh, people with biased views who just recently hit cut lose or SL will have biased stance that the market is manipulated but is it though? sometime differentiating manipulated market and the genuine one is difficult, after all if manipulation is so obvious then it's problematic but I don't believe market of BTC is manipulated with such large market cap.

if it's those altcoins with micro cap then yes, so many manipulation actually going on, sometime when a coin about to unlock vested token and ready to dilute the market, some project just artificially pump the price to lift the worth of their vested tokens.

but this manipulation more obvious in meme coin category though literally those guys are manipulating the market and it's as clear as day.

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People have been saying certain stocks have been manipulated for years. Whether its true or not is hard to prove.

Just today people are accusing Coinbase for providing IOUs instead of buying actual BTC to fund the BTC ETFs. Again whether this is true or not is hard to prove. People think that since the flows are positive for BTC it should be at $100K by now but its not, so they think there is some manipulation going on.

Whether the market is small or big, it wont take a big player to manipulate a certain crypto or stock anyway they want.

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We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

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