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his claim at the end of 2019,
It should not necessarily be at 2019. "When" is not defined at his post.
@Strike Eagle 26
What if Dow makes a high in May but does not elect any reversal?
If it does then that could be a good place to short the market. But It can still go against you due to a Cycle Inversion or a Cycle Cancellation. Elected reversals would give you a clear buy or sell signal and you can trade those with the most confidence.
@bikefront
It can be used as a confirmation tool with the reversals but have noticed it being wrong a number of times but usually on the indices.
We did elect 2 daily bullish reversals for Crude Oil on the 22nd so that implied a bounce.
The reversal system will say "Dbi" next to the number if that reversal is in fact a double which is very rare I have only seen it once before and never seen a triple.
was generated 3 times from different price action events.
Generated, not elected.
Yes, but......
QUOTE
Double Reversals materialize a few times during the course of one year on a daily level, on a weekly level they may only develop once every two or three years. As for the Triple Reversal, we saw this live only once in the US Treasury Bond futures in 1989. Otherwise, this Triple Reversal has not been generated in any US market on any level since 1929!
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/the-princeton-models-and-methodologies-a-users-guide/system/
if you actual look at the
Dow 1x Double Weekly, 1x Double Monthly.
EURUSD 2x Double Daily, 2x Double Weekly, 1x Double Monthly
Gold 1x Double Weekly, 1x Tripple Monthly
this seems to be very often.....double weekly = every 2-3 years, tripple only once happend.....are you sure?
I also found it strange that there were so many of these. I see them everywhere, sometimes 2 minors and 1 major reversal on a weekly, maybe he means maj reversals only?
My source say a pullback likely at 26500 to 800 level .
We have a weekly bearish at 26301.80 and a weekly bullish at 26769.19, you will know the direction once we start to elect weekly bullish or bearish reversals. You don't have the pro service so you will forever remain in the dark.
OK, makes sense. 
I guess yearly array would be required for timing.
I guess yearly array would be required for timing.
his claim at the end of 2019,
It should not necessarily be at 2019. "When" is not defined at his post.
I understand, but normal people will state the year, or the actual timeframe if it was not the year 2019.
For example, one would say that it will drop to 775 by 2020, etc. If nothing is said, then 2019 would be implied.
If he is using indefinite timeframe, then anybody can make any predictions. I can say all cryptocurrency, gold and stock market will drop to zero, since eventually Sun will enlarge and become red dwarf, engulfing the entire Earth, and everything will pretty much go to zero $USD.
So my point is that by making a statement without ANY timeframe, that statement is essentially meaningless. Since I'm sure that Armstrong was trying to make a point, my best guess is that he implied the year 2019.
his claim at the end of 2019,
It should not necessarily be at 2019. "When" is not defined at his post.
@Strike Eagle 26
What if Dow makes a high in May but does not elect any reversal?
We have a weekly bearish at 26301.80 and a weekly bullish at 26769.19, you will know the direction once we start to elect weekly bullish or bearish reversals. You don't have the pro service so you will forever remain in the dark.
Thank God, I finally found someone with a lot of background….
I usually trade the Dow, EUR-USD and Gold on Weekly basis. But I used the Advanced buy against the Reversals Strategy. And I made some Money and then lost it again….
So I decided to research more and change the strategy.
If I understand you correctly.
You are trade on the Daily level, and as soon as a reversal is elected you open a position and not trade if a cluster is appearing…Do you look at the arrays for the Entry as well? Are you only trading in trend direction?
The Problem on the Daily basis is the arrays are telling me 80% of the time, today (whatever day it is) is the Turning Point.
Could you just tell me exactly how you follow the Reversals. For Example in the Dow we had a Weekly Bearish on march 8th. But the price moved up. The Daily Arrays refer to the 13th. As Turning point, but at this time you would have lost the Money. On the Daily we elected 3 Daily Bearish march 22th and the price never came back to the 25.518. Afterwards we elected the next Daily Bearish on march 26th and then came the move up….
So you have to do more than simply buy when a Bullish Reversal is elected and sell when a bearish reversal is elected…..But what?
I really don’t see how I can play the reversals right….
Also i am not sure about a statment from MA about the Dow(13th March): there is no rush to jump in, until we take out the fourth reversal….But 4 Reversals mean a move to the other direction. So what he wants to tell us?
I usually trade the Dow, EUR-USD and Gold on Weekly basis. But I used the Advanced buy against the Reversals Strategy. And I made some Money and then lost it again….
So I decided to research more and change the strategy.
If I understand you correctly.
You are trade on the Daily level, and as soon as a reversal is elected you open a position and not trade if a cluster is appearing…Do you look at the arrays for the Entry as well? Are you only trading in trend direction?
The Problem on the Daily basis is the arrays are telling me 80% of the time, today (whatever day it is) is the Turning Point.
Could you just tell me exactly how you follow the Reversals. For Example in the Dow we had a Weekly Bearish on march 8th. But the price moved up. The Daily Arrays refer to the 13th. As Turning point, but at this time you would have lost the Money. On the Daily we elected 3 Daily Bearish march 22th and the price never came back to the 25.518. Afterwards we elected the next Daily Bearish on march 26th and then came the move up….
So you have to do more than simply buy when a Bullish Reversal is elected and sell when a bearish reversal is elected…..But what?
I really don’t see how I can play the reversals right….
Also i am not sure about a statment from MA about the Dow(13th March): there is no rush to jump in, until we take out the fourth reversal….But 4 Reversals mean a move to the other direction. So what he wants to tell us?
I would follow the reversal system which will tell you the direction and let that be the guide since Armstrong has said the array is not 100% but I do find the directional change to be very good. The market may move against you in the short term but the reversals will ultimately define the trend.
if you going to enter the market you could buy or sell against a reversal if tested on the day/week/month of a turning point so for example on the Dow monthly array we have a turning point in May which also has a directional change which suggests we could get a spike high or low that month as Armstrong has suggested as well. You then would need to find what week in May this turning point(high or low) may occur which appears to be the 6th of May and you could simply buy or sell against whatever reversal it is testing at that time and if the reversal is not elected then time is up and that should mark the high or low.
So let's say we elect 3 weekly bearish reversals going into May but hold the 4th on the day / week or month of a turning point you could simply buy against the 4th bearish reversal since time is up. The Dow has a lot of weekly bearish reversals(support) at the 24300 area.
For the week of March the 4th we elected a weekly bearish and we also at the same time elected a weekly bullish just below at the 25200 level which we tested and then moved up from there. For the 22nd of March yes we elected 3 daily bearish reversals and on the 25th we hit a low and came close to testing the next bearish reversal at 25312. It don’t believe we did actually elect a bullish reversal on the 26th I have screenshots, you need to keep checking especially the daily reversals since it does change quite a lot.
There were 2 daily bullish reversals elected on the Nasdaq yesterday with the main one at 7998 which implied the market would move up today with the next one at 8057.27 so that was the area you needed to sell which was functioning as the resistance level
Regarding the 4th reversal he said there is no rush to jump in until we elect the 4th weekly bullish reversal which stands at 26951.82. we have been consolidating this year and we have not yet exceeded the high of 2018 so Armstrong tells us that Only when ALL FOUR Reversals have been elected do we consider that there has been an important shift in trend. if/when that 4th reversal is elected this market will begin to explode to the upside once again and hit new highs.
as you move closer to the date the more accurate the array will be such as the Dow monthly array was previously saying June was the turning point and now it is May. you may need to take a screenshot of the daily array every so often and the weekly/monthly so you can easily see the turning points before they change since the height of the bars are relative.
Armstrong basically explains why the bars change and why we see such big changes especially on the daily array.
"The first thing you should understand is that the charting is proportional, and not explicit. For example, lets say that January had 30 hits from 72 models. That would be the highest bar. Then January passes and May show up as the highest bar when it was previously half that of January when previously charted. The bars are plotted on a relative basis to the time frame selected. So if the highest bar has 15 hits within that 12 units of time, it will be at the top. As time moves forward and a new target enters the window with 25 hits, it will now appear at the top and the bar with 15 hits will appear as if it diminished. So the charting is RELATIVE and not explicit."
Base on the above quote from you (see the big font), your understanding of Armstrong's model is similar to mine. You SAID that it could be a spike high or low.
The thing with Armstrong is that he doesn't tell you WHICH.
Hence, my statement of that Armstrong does not tell you whether it's a high or low.
Since you understand Armstrong's models much better, at the minimum, can you at least pick one of the choices (high or low) that I listed?
If you who understand Armstrong so well cannot take a pick with firm conviction, how can majority of the people on this forum or Armstrong's subscribers discern the direction and trade properly with profits?
The reversals tell you the direction but only if they are elected on a closing basis, that gives you an ACTUAL BUY/SELL SIGNAL. You need to think before you post again this is getting embarrassing. Why do you keep saying if Armstrong predicted or If Armstrong does give direction when Socrates (AI) is the one making all the forecasts?
@StrikeEagle,
I'm merely pointing out how poor your summary on the panic cycle is.
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In summary
70% of the time a panic cycle is an outside reversal or capitulation
30% of the time a panic cycle is a fast one way move.
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That includes 30% of the past 29 months.
So if Armstrong did "accurately" predict that February was a panic cycle using the above super-lax criteria, that is NOT saying much at all.
If Armstrong "does" give direction every time, for the record, for the May month, do you want to state that
1. Market going to make a temp high.
or
2. Market going to make a temp low.
That is obviously on a monthly basis.
I'm merely pointing out how poor your summary on the panic cycle is.
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In summary
70% of the time a panic cycle is an outside reversal or capitulation
30% of the time a panic cycle is a fast one way move.
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That includes 30% of the past 29 months.
So if Armstrong did "accurately" predict that February was a panic cycle using the above super-lax criteria, that is NOT saying much at all.
If Armstrong "does" give direction every time, for the record, for the May month, do you want to state that
1. Market going to make a temp high.
or
2. Market going to make a temp low.
That is obviously on a monthly basis.
@MA_talk
"But I know for sure he did NOT call 2019 Jan. " Armstrong may not have called it but
the Array on ask-socrates certainty called January 2019 as a panic cycle. Not sure how you can be sure of anything since you have not gone through all the private blog posts which go back to about 2016 where Martin gives specific numbers(reversals) you could of traded on. That gives you a complete track record for the last 3 years all the evidence you need is there or are you afraid of what you may find?
The array is not going to pick up every panic cycle just indicate where there is a high probability of one occurring.
You would never trade based on a panic cycle you only trade on the reversals. If you want to disprove Armstrong the only thing you should be talking about is the reversal system because that gives you specific buy or sell signals which you have claimed Armstrong's system does not do.
"because Armstrong never tells you the direction of the market" You really are digging your own grave here… I don't think I can even take you seriously after making such an absurd statement.
"If anyone can post arrays + reversals for the daily or weekly intervals, we can collect a lot more data and analyse Armstrong's models." You have 3 years' worth of private blog posts and Armstrong has posted the reversals and array's countless of times during that period. Ask-Socrates only launched in 2016 (https://ask-socrates.com)
"But I know for sure he did NOT call 2019 Jan. " Armstrong may not have called it but
the Array on ask-socrates certainty called January 2019 as a panic cycle. Not sure how you can be sure of anything since you have not gone through all the private blog posts which go back to about 2016 where Martin gives specific numbers(reversals) you could of traded on. That gives you a complete track record for the last 3 years all the evidence you need is there or are you afraid of what you may find?
The array is not going to pick up every panic cycle just indicate where there is a high probability of one occurring.
You would never trade based on a panic cycle you only trade on the reversals. If you want to disprove Armstrong the only thing you should be talking about is the reversal system because that gives you specific buy or sell signals which you have claimed Armstrong's system does not do.
"because Armstrong never tells you the direction of the market" You really are digging your own grave here… I don't think I can even take you seriously after making such an absurd statement.
"If anyone can post arrays + reversals for the daily or weekly intervals, we can collect a lot more data and analyse Armstrong's models." You have 3 years' worth of private blog posts and Armstrong has posted the reversals and array's countless of times during that period. Ask-Socrates only launched in 2016 (https://ask-socrates.com)
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-the-end-of-cryptocurrencies/
" A year-end closing below 4150 will point to a drop back to 775 area."
I don't see that drop. Au contraire!
Anyone think it is possible to see BTC that low?
" A year-end closing below 4150 will point to a drop back to 775 area."
I don't see that drop. Au contraire!
Anyone think it is possible to see BTC that low?
https://web.archive.org/web/20190102141558/https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-the-end-of-cryptocurrencies/
etoimene,
Based on Yahoo's data, 2018 BTC closed at 3,747.39 .
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BTC-USD/history?period1=1524419623&period2=1555955623&interval=1mo&filter=history&frequency=1mo
I personally don't see how BTC could drop back to 775, due to the recent ETF approvals. But Armstrong did make that claim, and possibly extremely few of us will even remember his claim at the end of 2019, EXCEPT for the few people who bothered to make some trades, but possibly losing money in the trades. I assure you that it will be all good at the end of year. It's like nobody bothers to check whether February 2019 was a panic cycle, except for the people who try to trade off it and lost money.
But anyway, the year is not done, and so anything could happen. I'm still waiting for this year to finish, to check on another of Armstrong's claim.
If anyone can post arrays + reversals for the daily or weekly intervals, we can collect a lot more data and analyze Armstrong's models.
MA_Talk You claim to have been following Armstrong for decades yet have misunderstood even what a panic cycle is please explain to me again since you are such an expert?
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That’s not true all you have to do is type into google: "panic cycle" Armstrong Economics
You can also go to his website and type in the search bar. "panic cycle" and you be able to read just about everything he ever said about it.
In summary
70% of the time a panic cycle is an outside reversal or capitulation
30% of the time a panic cycle is a fast one way move.
"The Panic Cycle can also be a big move in one direction, but they are often outside reversals meaning that they can exceed the previous high and then penetrate the previous low"
So for example The month of February 2019 was a panic cycle on the Dow since it was a big move in one direction. I recall many posts of you saying the month of Feb was not a panic cycle…
"The major Cycle of Political Change appears to be the duration of 224 years In which there are 26 periods of 8.615 years."
Source(http://s3.amazonaws.com/armstrongeconomics-wp/2012/03/how-all-systems-can-collapse-overnight-709.pdf)
Just not so sure about your calculation on the 26 year frequency other than it is 8.6 x 3 = 25.8
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That’s not true all you have to do is type into google: "panic cycle" Armstrong Economics
You can also go to his website and type in the search bar. "panic cycle" and you be able to read just about everything he ever said about it.
In summary
70% of the time a panic cycle is an outside reversal or capitulation
30% of the time a panic cycle is a fast one way move.
"The Panic Cycle can also be a big move in one direction, but they are often outside reversals meaning that they can exceed the previous high and then penetrate the previous low"
So for example The month of February 2019 was a panic cycle on the Dow since it was a big move in one direction. I recall many posts of you saying the month of Feb was not a panic cycle…
"The major Cycle of Political Change appears to be the duration of 224 years In which there are 26 periods of 8.615 years."
Source(http://s3.amazonaws.com/armstrongeconomics-wp/2012/03/how-all-systems-can-collapse-overnight-709.pdf)
Just not so sure about your calculation on the 26 year frequency other than it is 8.6 x 3 = 25.8
StrikeEagle,
Based on the above definition of panic cycle, and using Feb as a reference for a fast one way move, I used 3.5% as the monthly gain or loss.
Below is what I did using DIA as the Dow Jones for the checking the validity of February panic cycle, and all of these months SHOULD have been called by Armstrong as panic cycles, But I know for sure he did NOT call 2019 Jan.
2019 Feb
2019 Jan
2018 Dec
2018 Oct, outside month (exceeding both low & high of prior month)
2018 Jul
2018 Mar
2018 Feb
2018 Jan
2017 Nov
2017 Oct
Between 2017 October to 2019 April (in 29 months), 10 months above out of 29 months SHOULD have been called by Armstrong as panic cycles. That is MORE than one third of the time. That showed that if your criteria for stating Feb 2019 was a panic cycle, that is simply AWFULLY loose. As an exaggeration, it's almost like predicting that the next person that comes through the door will be male. Even without doing much, anybody could just keep saying that every month will be a PANIC CYCLE, would have gotten more than 1/3 correct.
Furthermore, based on your breakdown on percentage, such "panic cycle" information is extremely hard to be used for making any money even when the information is accurate, because Armstrong never tells you the direction of the market, or whether it is going to be a high or low. So 30% of that breakdown, even assuming that you know the direction instead of an outside month, cannot be traded because it could be an outside month, where you could get killed on both directions. The better trade should have been betting on the 70% of the time as an outside month, and LONG both call/put with strike price closer to middle range, I believe. That would have been a losing trade, given your loose definition.
If Armstrong's definition for these terms are such loose (so that he can be "correct" time after time), the information is simply NOT very helpful.
By the way, don't ask me why the raw data downloaded from Yahoo had so many fractional digits.
10/1/2017 224.190002 234.699997 224.020004 233.630005 226.153091 50038700 4.38%
11/1/2017 234.600006 243.490005 232.649994 242.839996 235.254181 61406200 3.94%
12/1/2017 243.139999 248.610001 239.410004 247.380005 240.227097 73664300 1.87%
1/1/2018 248.339996 265.929993 247.229996 261.440002 254.461792 102194100 5.68%
2/1/2018 259.950012 262.899994 233.759995 250.199997 243.656693 183041700 -4.30%
3/1/2018 250.210007 254.720001 234.850006 241.399994 235.688904 121375800 -3.52%
4/1/2018 240.330002 248.479996 233.199997 241.539993 236.256378 107013400 0.06%
5/1/2018 240.690002 250.669998 235.119995 244.179993 238.966553 82708700 1.09%
6/1/2018 246.139999 254.160004 239.830002 242.729996 238.217728 99747700 -0.59%
7/1/2018 240.919998 255.679993 240.619995 254.169998 249.817841 75848400 4.71%
8/1/2018 253.899994 261.769989 249.860001 259.850006 255.724808 79662700 2.23%
9/1/2018 259.220001 267.609985 257.820007 264.399994 260.750702 63102800 1.75%
10/1/2018 266.100006 269.279999 241.050003 251.190002 248.230576 163946700 -5.00%
11/1/2018 252.149994 262.970001 242.710007 255.509995 252.654037 93217400 1.72%
12/1/2018 260.170013 260.299988 216.970001 233.199997 231.142029 136737400 -8.73%
1/1/2019 229.270004 251 226.360001 250.119995 248.581711 93233700 7.26%
2/1/2019 250.669998 262.359985 249.130005 259.279999 257.869446 60166600 3.66%
3/1/2019 261.149994 261.679993 252.460007 259.130005 258.427185 88451200 -0.06%
4/1/2019 261.230011 265.929993 260.579987 265.559998 265.401367 47338400 2.48%
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/cryptocurrency/bitcoin-the-end-of-cryptocurrencies/
" A year-end closing below 4150 will point to a drop back to 775 area."
I don't see that drop. Au contraire!
Anyone think it is possible to see BTC that low?
" A year-end closing below 4150 will point to a drop back to 775 area."
I don't see that drop. Au contraire!
Anyone think it is possible to see BTC that low?
Can someone shed some light on turning points and actual high/low alignment?
According to the document
https://s3.amazonaws.com/armstrongeconomics-wp/2012/05/manual-models.pdf
that Strike Eagle posted
high/low should happen in the same period when turning point happens, unless some higher time frame invalidates it.
In
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/the-princeton-models-and-methodologies-a-users-guide/how-to-use-the-forecasting-arrays/
"As illustrated here, sometimes the highest closing and the intraday can be as much as 4 units of time apart in separation. "
So, are turning points calculated on close or intraday?
According to the document
https://s3.amazonaws.com/armstrongeconomics-wp/2012/05/manual-models.pdf
that Strike Eagle posted
high/low should happen in the same period when turning point happens, unless some higher time frame invalidates it.
In
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/the-princeton-models-and-methodologies-a-users-guide/how-to-use-the-forecasting-arrays/
"As illustrated here, sometimes the highest closing and the intraday can be as much as 4 units of time apart in separation. "
So, are turning points calculated on close or intraday?
May be good short if it closes below 6424? ?!?!?
There was an other directional trade today in OIL today: An opening above 6390 would imply the directional change would be a rally, a close above 6424 would warn of a rally until the next turning point.
I missed it because by the time I checked the market this morning (Central europe) price had already moved 2.5%!
That´s 8/8 so far.
I missed it because by the time I checked the market this morning (Central europe) price had already moved 2.5%!
That´s 8/8 so far.
@footlong24seven
If you had read models and methodologies(seminar edition)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/armstrongeconomics-wp/2012/05/manual-models.pdf
you would know Fibonacci fails to provide definitive targets. So of course your price targets are way way off, all the resistance currently lies at the 26700 level.
You want to call people charlatans but have nothing to back it up.
(I am not claiming to my some special knowledge I am simply following the reversal system in conjunction with the array.)
Main resistance on the Dow stands at the next weekly bullish 26769.17 which should cap the market. we have the next daily bullish at 26709.95. lets see how well your Fibonacci fan projections stand up against the reversal system.
If you had read models and methodologies(seminar edition)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/armstrongeconomics-wp/2012/05/manual-models.pdf
you would know Fibonacci fails to provide definitive targets. So of course your price targets are way way off, all the resistance currently lies at the 26700 level.
You want to call people charlatans but have nothing to back it up.
(I am not claiming to my some special knowledge I am simply following the reversal system in conjunction with the array.)
Main resistance on the Dow stands at the next weekly bullish 26769.17 which should cap the market. we have the next daily bullish at 26709.95. lets see how well your Fibonacci fan projections stand up against the reversal system.
Ok guys. We're about to hit 27K.
What does Marty's magic machine say? /s
For real though. I'm personally using fibonacci fan projections and they show 28k as resistance with minimum 27.2k. What happens then, will it be another pullback like the last 2x we hit these levels, or will the Euro elections cause a melt-up?
Currently have my chips down on October $26 YINN calls for a trade deal (eventually), and I believe I caught the falling knife buying XLV on Thursday morning.
The XLV precisely hit the fib pivots on all 3 legs down. The precision is becoming something more than just a curiosity. I've had my eye on this for some time and from what I've seen it's very accurate almost matching Marty's/Socrates's reversals.
They continue to say the reversals are generated from "physics" - even the charlatan in the earlier post this week. Not even gonna bother looking up his name.
Well, is this some fucking mystery or is it possible given the information freely available it's possible we can reconstruct Socrates on our own?
Unless Marty has some secret to the universe that nobody else knows about, shouldn't it be entirely plausible to use chaos theory, complex dynamics, gravity, thermodynamics, electrodynamics, etc and computers to simulate some sort of connection between all this?
One thing I WHOLLY agree with Marty about is that markets are absolutely FRACTAL and self-referencing (relativity).
Anyway, main question is what to do when we (probably) hit 27K? Fibs say 28k+.
Appreciate bike, MA, and the others that regularly contribute and keep alive this thread.
Happy Easter
What does Marty's magic machine say? /s
For real though. I'm personally using fibonacci fan projections and they show 28k as resistance with minimum 27.2k. What happens then, will it be another pullback like the last 2x we hit these levels, or will the Euro elections cause a melt-up?
Currently have my chips down on October $26 YINN calls for a trade deal (eventually), and I believe I caught the falling knife buying XLV on Thursday morning.
The XLV precisely hit the fib pivots on all 3 legs down. The precision is becoming something more than just a curiosity. I've had my eye on this for some time and from what I've seen it's very accurate almost matching Marty's/Socrates's reversals.
They continue to say the reversals are generated from "physics" - even the charlatan in the earlier post this week. Not even gonna bother looking up his name.
Well, is this some fucking mystery or is it possible given the information freely available it's possible we can reconstruct Socrates on our own?
Unless Marty has some secret to the universe that nobody else knows about, shouldn't it be entirely plausible to use chaos theory, complex dynamics, gravity, thermodynamics, electrodynamics, etc and computers to simulate some sort of connection between all this?
One thing I WHOLLY agree with Marty about is that markets are absolutely FRACTAL and self-referencing (relativity).
Anyway, main question is what to do when we (probably) hit 27K? Fibs say 28k+.
Appreciate bike, MA, and the others that regularly contribute and keep alive this thread.
Happy Easter
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