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October 08, 2015, 09:40:37 AM
In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one.

The court transcript disagrees. Provide evidence to the contrary that doesn't come from his blog (not under oath, not cross examined, years later, he can say whatever the hell he wants), otherwise this argument is just a bunch of fluff. It may, in theory, even be 100% correct, but without evidence it is still fluff.

You are stealing my time forcing me to dig up the research because you won't do it because you make flippant unethical weasel statements. This is really pissing me off.

Why do you feel you have a right to do this?

If you start digging, you will find the material that will shut you up.

You can start here...

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/33417



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Here is the letter from the forensic accountant in my case to the court appointed lawyer. He states that besides the receiver failing to provide any documentation in six years to prevent a trial, what limited material was produced failed to show what was alleged, and about 40% of the trades in the accounts were ERRORS being backed out after weekends by the bank. That certainly smells like they were doing money laundering for someone. This was what the reporter was curious about, and the way she asked me the question implied they were doing similar schemes elsewhere. That interview was NEVER published. Interesting that HSBC was caught allegedly laundering money in Geneva.

When this letter was sent to the court and I requested the discovery that I had never received in 7 years, Judge Keenan replied: “You have enough.” I was denied access to the very records I would need for a trial. It was clear that there was no intent to allow a trial or to hand me more evidence against the banks.

There will NEVER be a public trial having to do with NY banking. It would expose way too much and that would collapse the confidence in the entire financial system supported by the pretend regulators. So, they bring criminal indictments only against the corporation and the deal is signed before it is announced.
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October 08, 2015, 09:23:48 AM
In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one.

The court transcript disagrees. Provide evidence to the contrary that doesn't come from his blog (not under oath, not cross examined, years later, he can say whatever the hell he wants), otherwise this argument is just a bunch of fluff. It may, in theory, even be 100% correct, but without evidence it is still fluff.

A scripted plea is not constitutional. He said "yes your Honor" to agree to a scripted plea. Nothing in that transcript in constitutional.

He wanted a public trial and was not given one for over 7 years (leading to 12 years of involuntary illegal confinement for which he was never constitutionally convicted). Just before that they tried to murder him in prison. There is evidence of this event, you can look it up. He is missing teeth from the event you can see that when he smiles. He was thrown in solitary with a bad infection and was going blind.

Smooth you have really disappointed me. You will use any weasel method to be "right" when in fact you are wrong in terms of what is right, ethical, law of the land, consistent, moral, and just.

If we all refuse to agree he is constitutionally convicted, then we the citizens still own our country. If we lay over and use weasel words like you, then we are slaves. You apparently do not respect the Constitution. You respect only the best way to weasel your way through life. Thus I conclude you have no ethical grounding.

I think the words of Jesus are appropriate here.

Mark 12:13 or Matthew 20:22:

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13 And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him..

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13 They sent some of the Pharisees and supporters of Herod to trap him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you’re genuine and you don’t worry about what people think. You don’t show favoritism but teach God’s way as it really is. Does the Law allow people to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay taxes or not?”

15 Since Jesus recognized their deceit, he said to them, “Why are you testing me? Bring me a coin. Show it to me.” 16 And they brought one. He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what belongs to God.” His reply left them overcome with wonder.
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October 08, 2015, 08:59:22 AM
Fractal cycles  Smiley

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CQuaylQUEAAOJNn.mp4

put it on loop, and enjoy.
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October 08, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one.

The court transcript disagrees. Provide evidence to the contrary that doesn't come from his blog (not under oath, not cross examined, years later, he can say whatever the hell he wants), otherwise this argument is just a bunch of fluff. It may, in theory, even be 100% correct, but without evidence it is still fluff.
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October 08, 2015, 08:56:11 AM
Well yes virtually everyone is committing crimes and could probably be convicted even if the trial process were completely fair.

Again, not fair, but fair and sane and legal are distinct.

Three felonies per day for all of us apparently. But that isn't even the point.

In Armstrong's case he wanted a public trial and couldn't get one. He was never constitutionally convicted. Period. And that is fact. You can continue with your nonsense lies or you can admit you are fucking wrong.
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October 08, 2015, 08:54:37 AM
Well yes virtually everyone is committing crimes and could probably be convicted even if the trial process were completely fair.

Again, not fair, but fair and sane and legal are distinct concepts.

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October 08, 2015, 08:53:26 AM
Smooth is ignorant of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution. Did he attend high school?

There's the jailhouse lawyer version, and the real world version.

The whole system is not fair. It's terribly corrupt. It's abused. It is what it is.

And it is going to get worse. And everyone will be "convicted" and you will agree they are convicted. What a civil concept.

If there is no constitutional consistency, there are no more constitutional convictions. Just a lot of terrorism. That is all.
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October 08, 2015, 08:50:24 AM
Smooth is ignorant of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution. Did he attend high school?

There's the jailhouse lawyer version, and the real world version.

The whole system is not fair. It's terribly corrupt. It's abused. It is what it is.

So we open up the prisons and let them all out? Because I'm pretty sure that very few convictions in our system occur without some form of abuse, if you look carefully enough. As AP said, it's become institutionalized. (Even fewer without some claimed abuse.)
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October 08, 2015, 08:48:53 AM
Smooth is ignorant of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution. Did he attend high school?

Damned facts that smartasses don't read before they spout off with their weasel words:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/29128

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What I agreed to read was that the bankers took money for their “own benefit” for I refused to all along to plead to taking my own money for we were never managing Japanese money, we bought the portfolios. I fail to see where the words I read even constituted anything close to a crime.

This is how the courts work. There is no difference between some terrorist organization handing a script to some captive to read on TV condemning his country and agreeing with his captors and the way the US legal system operates. The king’s lawyers (prosecutors) write the words to pretend to match the  law and it is all a dog and pony show. This is the ultimate face of corruption.

You can't be convicted in an unconstitutional court that violates every clause of the 6th Amendment.

You are promulgating weasel word "conviction" that no longer has any meaning in your unconstitutional hell.
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October 08, 2015, 08:42:43 AM
Fine, then he should go to court, prove it, and have his conviction overturned. Until that happens, he's a convicted criminal.

You are not a citizen of the Constitution. You are a slave of some thing you call a country which is not my country. You can say he is convicted in your world. Go ahead and live in your unconstitutional lawless definition of a world.

I want nothing more to do with you.

The fact remains he was not convicted in my Constitutional country. And that is a fact. So there is nothing to overturn.

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law. Thus any definitions are totally meaningless.

I mean you've just failed even the most basic test of someone I would want to be affiliated with.

For the second time, the authority of the courts over all disputes, including disputes arising under the Constitution itself, is established right in the Constitution.

You don't get to decide whether his conviction was proper. He doesn't get to decide (and certainly not by posting his "legal arguments" on a blog). The courts get to decide.

To claim otherwise is to deny the structure of Constitution itself (Article 3, specifically).

You are ignorant of the Constitution. Trying reading it more carefully.

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You have no ethical grounding.

I never said his conviction was ethical. And what AP said, while amusing, is also pretty much true. What is legal and what is ethical and/or sane are not the same thing.

No I said you are not ethical. Because you prefer weasel words than a Constitution and consistency of law ruled by our Constitution.
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October 08, 2015, 08:30:42 AM
Fine, then he should go to court, prove it, and have his conviction overturned. Until that happens, he's a convicted criminal.

You are not a citizen of the Constitution. You are a slave of some thing you call a country which is not my country. You can say he is convicted in your world. Go ahead and live in your unconstitutional lawless definition of a world.

I want nothing more to do with you.

The fact remains he was not convicted in my Constitutional country. And that is a fact. So there is nothing to overturn.

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law. Thus any definitions are totally meaningless.

I mean you've just failed even the most basic test of someone I would want to be affiliated with.

For the second time, the authority of the courts over all disputes, including disputes arising under the Constitution itself, is established right in the Constitution.

You don't get to decide whether his conviction was proper. He doesn't get to decide (and certainly not by posting his "legal arguments" on a blog). The courts get to decide.

To claim otherwise is to deny the structure of Constitution itself (Article 3, specifically).

Be an anarchist if you like. I have nothing against anarchists. But don't claim to be a constitutionalist while denying the authority of the courts of the judicial branch to rule on legal disputes (including ones of a constitutional nature).

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You have no ethical grounding.

I never said his conviction was ethical. And what AP said, while amusing, is also pretty much true. What is legal and what is ethical and/or sane are not the same thing.

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The Constitution is not the law of the land, and has not been for some time.  Courts, police, and government agencies began to disregard it with abandon and no one seemed to mind (aside from a few mild complaints) so the precedent has been set.

Yeah that's pretty much true. But I object to TPTB's approach on this because the conclusion of that approach is useless. So many cases disregard the Constitution in one way or another (if you look hard enough for something, probably almost all of them) that if you are going to view court convictions as not being "real" convictions you might as well just tear down the prisons and let everyone out.


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October 08, 2015, 08:29:47 AM

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law.

 
 
Sorry man, I would have to say that you do not understand law at all.  What you are describing is sanity.

Haha, you got me. Good one.
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October 08, 2015, 08:28:35 AM

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law.

 
  
Sorry man, I would have to say that you do not understand law at all.  What you are describing is sanity. 
 
The Constitution is not the law of the land, and has not been for some time.  Courts, police, and government agencies began to disregard it with abandon and no one seemed to mind (aside from a few mild complaints) so the precedent has been set.
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October 08, 2015, 08:24:37 AM
Fine, then he should go to court, prove it, and have his conviction overturned. Until that happens, he's a convicted criminal.

You are not a citizen of the Constitution. You are a slave of some thing you call a country which is not my country. You can say he is convicted in your world. Go ahead and live in your unconstitutional lawless definition of a world.

I want nothing more to do with you.

The fact remains he was not convicted in my Constitutional country. And that is a fact. So there is nothing to overturn.

You do not understand law at all. What you are describing is the absence of law. Thus any definitions your lawless arbitrary world are totally meaningless.

I mean you've just failed even the most basic test of someone I would want to be affiliated with. You have no ethical grounding.

I thought you were someone who was ethical but in the end I see you are just a weasel with weasel words.

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A weasel word (also, anonymous authority) is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that a specific and/or meaningful statement has been made, when only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated, enabling the specific meaning to be denied if the statement is challenged.
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October 08, 2015, 08:21:52 AM
If not then the conviction stands.

Scripted pleas are not constitutional.

Fine, then he should go to court, prove it, and have his conviction overturned. Until that happens, he's a convicted criminal. If you ask me, given the degree of injustice in our system, that is often a badge of honor.

The system is unfair and quite clearly corrupt in many ways. For example, in one of those other blog posts you just quoted (another non-sequteur with respect to his case but I'll play along):

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The strangest part of my own case was the fact that anyone who has ever attempted to go after Goldman Sachs & crew of Investment Bankers, has strangely encountered the heavy hand of government that is used to protect them resulting in the New Your Investment Bankers being called the UNTOUCHABLES

I'm pretty sure that is largely true. We do have an actual statement from the former Attorney General about "too big to jail" after all. Which makes it all very unfair, but doesn't change the fact of his conviction.
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October 08, 2015, 08:17:29 AM
If not then the conviction stands.

Scripted pleas are not constitutional. You as a fellow citizen are supposed to uphold the constitution. You can only be convicted by a jury of your peers where all the facts can be brought out in public (did you even read the second link I provided!!). You are convicting him with your words without a trial and without due process. The evidence from the case was not allowed to be public. This is unconstitutional.

Furthermore I see no evidence whatsoever that he did not have the option to refuse the plea and go to trial, as a trial date had been set.

Again you are ignorant of the details of the case. Armstrong specifically was not allowed to. So STFU or go do your research first. I am not going to go dig up all the details for you. I did already once in the past and I  know for a fact that you are wrong.
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October 08, 2015, 08:13:39 AM
Sorry, but his statements on a blog don't count as legally anything. It's a damn blog, not a courtroom.

Did he go to court and prove his claim of unconstitutional misconduct?

If not then the conviction stands.

Furthermore I see no evidence whatsoever that he did not have the option to refuse the plea and go to trial, as a trial date had been set.


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October 08, 2015, 08:08:34 AM
Smooth Embarrasses Himself For 3rd Time Today

Feeling smart now?

Smooth are you going to force the issue and cause me to embarrass you for the 3rd time today?

Don't bother with your non-sequeturs.

If you don't have a court document vacating his conviction anything further that you post is a bunch of opinion.

Bullshit. The ultimate law of the land is the constitution.

Sure, and by its own terms, the courts get to decide. Has his conviction been vacated?

I warned you. So now I will embarrass the fuck out of you again for being such an asshole. And stealing my time, forcing me to go dig up shit I already wrote about before but you are too fucking "smart"(ass) to go read.

You can't be convicted by an unconstitutional action. If you agree with labeling that a "conviction" then you are guilty of treason to your country and thus you are owed the death penalty according the Constitution. So please continue your insane posts of incriminating yourself.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/29128



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Abuse of Contempt of Court – Far more Common than People Realize

Scripted pleas are actually totally unconstitutional. You are supposed to plead in your own words and the judge is legally bound to accept your plea ONLY if he believes it and it is voluntary. That is just fiction for the justice system has become so corrupt, all they care about now is form, never substance. Here is Judge Kennan stating in my case that I must read from a script written by the government and not allowed to explain anything in my own words.

Also read this blog post as well:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/research/rule-of-law/goldman-sachs-v-armstrong
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October 08, 2015, 07:59:35 AM
Smooth are you going to force the issue and cause me to embarrass you for the 3rd time today?

Don't bother with your non-sequeturs.

If you don't have a court document vacating his conviction anything further that you post is a bunch of opinion.

Bullshit. The ultimate law of the land is the constitution.

Sure, and by its own terms, the courts get to decide. Has his conviction been vacated?

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October 08, 2015, 07:58:42 AM
Smooth are you going to force the issue and cause me to embarrass you for the 3rd time today?

Don't bother with your non-sequeturs.

If you don't have a court document vacating his conviction anything further that you post is a bunch of opinion.

Bullshit. The ultimate law of the land is the constitution.
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