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October 09, 2015, 08:58:37 AM
He had the option of a trial, not only during his plea hearing but during most of his seven year confinement for contempt...

He subsequently had the option to litigate, in court, his claims that his civil rights were violated...

You repeat the lies of the Zionists who control the court system, especially New York City. I had even given you a link that courts in other jurisdictions were afraid to challenge NYC courts.

Smooth really you have no proof of any of this other than copying what the Zionist court wrote because as I have pointed out numerous times to your hardhead, he was denied a public hearing and the court was changing transcripts and many other more evil things than we can even know.

Dude read my prior post and please grow up. This is serious shit. You are in a make believe fantasy world.

I don't have any more time for your nonsense.

You are a smart programmer and I wish you would learn about your weaknesses. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.
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October 09, 2015, 08:43:26 AM
Generative Essence of What We Face Now

This post is incredibly important. If you don't focus on these videos, you do not understand the world we live in.

Martin Armstrong does not understand this. He hasn't watched these videos. That is why he is fooled about the fundamental cause, motive, and the global elite.


For Those Who Still Doubt 9/11 Wasn't a Demolition

Edit: I've added this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc

If you have at least watched that one linked video above, you now understand without any doubt that 9/11 was an inside demolition. Any one who denies it after watching that video is simply insane.

So now if you want to know who did 9/11, here is that information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4UDcmOqp4

...

Edit: listen to the first new video and you will understand what is going on in the Middle East.

If you've watched those two videos from start to finished and been attentive to every engineering detail in the first video and made sure you understand every demographic detail in the second video, then you already have realized there is something very profound about the role of the Zionists—iwho've formed and hijacked the State of Israel—iin everything that is going wrong. The evil is much more the raison d'être than for the concept of the "bankster". You must begin to realize that "bankster" is not the central enemy, but rather is one manisfestation of the following strategy for control of the world.

Btw, all of this is described in the Bible. Also if you become aware of the Abomination of the Desolation, there is a timing in the Bible for Jesus's return based on two events that already occurred— the formation of the Jewish state and the Camp David peace accord between Israel and Egypt (note Jimmy Carter's role although afaics he is not an intentionally evil player). I had calculated that date as 2024 back in 2007 with Marshall Swing. Marshall has since done some additional work on it and had emailed in my 2014 saying Armstrong timing was coinciding with his calculations (which he refused to detail to me in email) and that 2015.75 would begin the 7 year Tribulation. I had and continue to be skeptical of any timing based on the Bible alone (and I am not sure if I find Marshall credible), but I share it only because the way the truth is shaping up to match the Bible is too strong of a correlation to totally ignore. I am a scientist. Correlation doesn't mean cause and effect, but it is clue. However, the next paragraph is the most salient in terms of the new point I want to make in this post.

But maybe it has not yet occurred to you that Zionists have leveraged the 1000s of years hold conflict between Christians and Muslims to be able to place themselves in the drivers seat of control over the political-economic-media-military world by promoting these two religious factions to fight each other. They are promoting conflict every where they can, even between man and woman via feminism and its other extreme fundamentalist (non-moderate) Sharia Law Islam, as way to Balkanize (aka divide-and-conquer) the world so they can pull the strings without being attacked or focused upon. Yugoslavia served as an example for them as it was Balkanized by waves of conquest and threats from three or four ethnic groups over the centuries, with Muslims as one of them. As one example, you can even note in the first video below how foisting of feminism on the West by the Zionists (of which Rockefeller and Rothschild are members) has set us up to more in the cross-hairs of the Muslims and pushed their men more towards fundamentalism. If you watch very carefully the second video above and then the following videos will help solidify this concept for you the reader, so that you will understand much better what is going on in the world now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHl1JnQoIWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sV9UcZoTM4 (turmoil is what the Zionists want! Note Russia nor USA nor China will never bomb Israel! Remember I have explained democracy is a power vacuum lie)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtC_qzHVM4 (former POTUS Jimmy Carter)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy_cUpxT884

From this we can start to analyze the upcoming future of the USA and Europe. We are being subverted by the Zionists. Are they going for broke and go to a shooting war with the Patriots?

We can clearly see that their goal is drive strife via multicultural conflict. This ties in with their belief that tribalism is the root of man's faults and thus why they are more suited to lead us because we can't lead ourselves. They see this all as destiny for them as written in the ancient texts such as the Bible, Koran, and occult/pagan.

By killing a million Jews with the Hitler they created (remember Prescott Bush financed Hitler through his Union Bank), they have created sympathy for a Jewish homeland amongst the liberals in the USA. By framing it as Muslim versus Christian, they garnish support amongst the religious conservatives in the USA. The Zionists are cleverly manipulating our political systems as well our economics. The media is owned by 6 families who are all Zionists. Etc.

For this analysis we can see Europeans are much more enslaved by the Zionists than the Americans. We still have the Patriots who are not entirely hoodwinked into the Zionist mind programming. The Europeans are fully indoctrinated into the crap the Zionists want them to the believe! Ponder that!

Btw, by making this post I may become a target of covert action. It is quite possible this is the last post I may be allowed to make if I continue on this line, because I am explaining in a very crystal clear way that very few if any have. Please make sure you spread this information far and wide. Email Armstrong this post!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 09, 2015, 07:20:55 AM
Again we don't know everything he knows so he may have done the best possible at the time.

Probably, that's the key. I think you are quite right that we don't have all information which led him to not continue the legal battle.

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October 09, 2015, 06:27:49 AM

He subsequently had the option to litigate, in court, his claims that his civil rights were violated (including but not limited to his claim that his admission being coerced and his claim that his right to a speedy trial was denied). In fact, he could have done this during his five years in prison after being convicted and sentenced. (Not like he had much else to do with his time.) If successful, not only could his conviction have been overturned and his admission of guilt erased, but he could also have been compensated, as many others have been under those circumstances (on occasion with large to extremely large cash awards). As such, his incentive to do so, if he has a legitimate case for it given the totality of the evidence that exists, should be obvious. He chose to pursue his grievance, not in court, but on a blog in the form of a public persona with the well-worn halo of being an Unfairly Persecuted Individual.


Based on what I read on Armstrong's blog and heard in the documentary, personally I believe he is innocent. He came cross as a Don Quijote type individual terms of his fight against the establishment, which indicates an idealistic but honest character, and I believe he was taking the plea bargain to end the nightmare of imprisonment. However, your point is very logical and seeing his action from that viewpoint makes actually a lot of sense. One would expect that a character like Armstrong who is so anti-establishment and fight to death against the corrupted political and financial system would stand up to prove to the public how corrupted the juridical system is, especially if such fight would clear his name. To clear his name would be quite essential for him who provides clients with financial services, not to mention he could make a strong argument to prove that the juridical system is corrupt. Very good point, why he doesn't fight on court by presenting evidence to clear his name?

I believe he is banned from financial services but he can offer general economic consulting, write a blog, give speeches, etc.

If he were able to overturn his conviction he could perhaps restore his ability to work in finance, which as you suggest offers yet another incentive to do it. Of course he is 65 years old, and may be content to write a blog and give speeches rather than try to build another financial firm.

(It may be too late for him to pursue his civil rights claims now, but it certainly wasn't in the past.)

My speculation as to how to resolve the conflict you propose (where he was originally innocent but doesn't continue to fight) is that he knows that much of his 12 year ordeal was largely the result of his own choices about how to fight the case, and those are the areas where any civil rights issues would lie. So he has no case. Remember, he appealed his contempt of court detention twice, and lost twice. Some aspects of this have been reviewed.

It is still unfortunate and tragic when someone who is innocent gets caught up in the legal system, but that doesn't rise to the level of civil rights violations, on its own.

EDIT: I had originally characterized his choices of how to fight the case as poor, but then I reconsidered. He did eventually get out after 12 years, got to keep his program it seems, etc. Given the original charges he was facing, that could possibly have been a good outcome. Again we don't know everything he knows so he may have done the best possible at the time.
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October 09, 2015, 06:25:17 AM


I still find much of his economic analysis to be refreshingly competent and insightful. I am withholding judgement on his forecasting model and computer program until we see how this 2015.75 big turn plays out. I so far see a lot of interesting things happen more or less as predicted but no clear "big bang" event. At least not yet. The powderkeg keg of enormous debt is in place. The fuse may or may not be lit. Will it explode? We'll see.

 
 
I find this: 
 
http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/a-liquidity-crisis-hit-the-banking-in-september/ 
 
and this follow up: 
 
http://investmentresearchdynamics.com/something-blew-up-in-the-global-financial-system/ 
 
extremely insightful.  It appears that perhaps 2015.75 has already happened, but the powers that be have decided to go to egregious lengths to cover-up/band-aid it.  If that speculation is correct, the derivatives bubble just popped, but the greater world hasn't realized it yet.  Meanwhile, behind the scenes, they are scrambling and going into full panic mode to determine how to mitigate the damage. 
 
But if a 1 quadrillion dollar bubble pops with geometrically accelerating consequences there's nothing that can be done: that dwarfs the sum of money on Earth by a factor of 10x.  It won't be like a financial earthquake... 
 
It will be a fucking economic extinction level event
 
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October 09, 2015, 06:17:25 AM

He subsequently had the option to litigate, in court, his claims that his civil rights were violated (including but not limited to his claim that his admission being coerced and his claim that his right to a speedy trial was denied). In fact, he could have done this during his five years in prison after being convicted and sentenced. (Not like he had much else to do with his time.) If successful, not only could his conviction have been overturned and his admission of guilt erased, but he could also have been compensated, as many others have been under those circumstances (on occasion with large to extremely large cash awards). As such, his incentive to do so, if he has a legitimate case for it given the totality of the evidence that exists, should be obvious. He chose to pursue his grievance, not in court, but on a blog in the form of a public persona with the well-worn halo of being an Unfairly Persecuted Individual.


Based on what I read on Armstrong's blog and heard in the documentary, personally I believe he is innocent. He came cross as a Don Quijote type individual terms of his fight against the establishment, which indicates an idealistic but honest character, and I believe he was taking the plea bargain to end the nightmare of imprisonment. However, your point is very logical and seeing his action from that viewpoint makes actually a lot of sense. One would expect that a character like Armstrong who is so anti-establishment and fight to death against the corrupted political and financial system would stand up to prove to the public how corrupted the juridical system is, especially if such fight would clear his name. To clear his name would be quite essential for him who provides clients with financial services, not to mention he could make a strong argument to prove that the juridical system is corrupt. Very good point, why he doesn't fight on court by presenting evidence to clear his name?

Armstrong is a remarkable intellect and I am grateful for his work. Even he helps me with stock market trading a lot to filter out the noise and trade calmly by putting daily events in a wider context. Maybe that's all matter, his work and the character doesn't matter, I am not sure, that is a difficult question. After all, Armstrong always say, the big bang financial crisis will be all about confidence in government. Perhaps confidence in the individual's character is similarly important, so it is quite understandable why there are posts like yours about his character.
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October 09, 2015, 04:58:42 AM
That is what I thought. You have no proof. Because there is no evidence in the public. Because there was no trial. Etc..

What I said on this thread that set you off was that he was convicted of criminal charges. Which he was. My proof is the court documents, duly recorded in the public record. That is sufficient. I have no interest in arguing the history of what he did or didn't do that led up to it, especially when I'm presented with arguments in the form of one-sided statements and selectively reported snippets of documents on his blog.

He had the option of a trial, not only during his plea hearing but during most of his seven year confinement for contempt. He chose not to avail himself of it, and instead to keep resisting the courts authority (which again is in some ways quite admirable). As such, he gets to live with his time in jail, his plea bargain, the conviction that is on his record as a consequence of the plea bargain, and the admission of guilt on his part that plea bargain entails.

He subsequently had the option to litigate, in court, his claims that his civil rights were violated (including but not limited to his claim that his admission was coerced and his claim that his right to a speedy trial was denied). In fact, he could have done this during his five years in prison after being convicted and sentenced. (Not like he had much else to do with his time.) If successful, not only could his conviction have been overturned and his admission of guilt erased, but he could also have been compensated, as many others have been under those circumstances (on occasion with large to extremely large cash awards). As such, his incentive to do so, if he has a legitimate case for it given the totality of the evidence that exists, should be obvious. He chose instead to pursue his grievance, not in court, but on a blog in the form of a public persona with the well-worn halo of being an Unfairly Persecuted Individual.

I'm not buying the persecution sympathy card. Even if the original charges were bogus (and I have no opinion on that), so much of what happened later was clearly of his own making and the result of his own decisions.

I'd further suggest that Martin knows more about the totality of the evidence that exists than you do, when you are relying on his selective disclosure in his blog, and he is not. He decided not to try to prove, in court, his (blog) claims of civil rights abuse. You were not the one to make that decision, as you are in no position to do so in an informed manner. You're a mere blog reader to him (in effect the one whose eyeballs he is being paid to deliver), not his lawyer and not even his friend. Remember that, and consider what you don't know (but he does!) in addition to what you do know.

I still find much of his economic analysis to be refreshingly competent and insightful. I am withholding judgement on his forecasting model and computer program until we see how this 2015.75 big turn plays out. I so far see a lot of interesting things happen more or less as predicted but no clear "big bang" event. At least not yet. The powderkeg of enormous debt is in place. The fuse may or may not be lit. Will it explode? We'll see.
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October 09, 2015, 03:42:30 AM
To be honest, I don't give a damn one way or the other about Armstrong's time in prison and all the "ifs" and "buts" surrounding it. I'm far more concerned about what he is saying and doing right NOW! Either he holds enough credibility in the opinion of those who visit this thread to warrant them following and contributing to it or he doesn't.

I hope we can continue to use this thread for its original purpose (see below) and not get distracted by the sound of locking horns in the ensuing stag fight, otherwise I've got better things to do with my time.

EDIT: From OROBTCs original post for this thread:


...He is now out of jail and has set-up shop as a macro-consulting company....

...I look forward to reading your views on his ideas, and his proposed solutions
...

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October 09, 2015, 01:06:49 AM
Some much worse people have gotten the Nobel peace prize....wouldn't surprise me.
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October 08, 2015, 08:44:52 PM
other than some misleading statements about his past legal troubles

Prove he has committed a crime. If there is a case with public evidence then that should be trivially easy.

Legally speaking his guilty plea and conviction is sufficient proof, and public record of such.

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(this exercise will prove you are making slanderous statement above)

If he wishes to make a claim against me for stating that he has had past legal troubles or that he was convicted of a crime, then I will be happy to provide him with my attorney's contact information. That should be fun, for about 15 minutes until the court record of his conviction is presented as evidence and the case gets thrown out.

That is what I thought. You have no proof. Because there is no evidence in the public. Because there was no trial. Etc..

FAIL.

End of discussion.
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October 08, 2015, 08:44:37 PM
sure there was as I pointed out his flaws you jump all over others.. maybe you can work as his paid marketer or receptionist taking orders for his new book.

Bruised ego fan club versus AnonyMint.

All on board here and now.

I'll be waiting for the proofs. Dish it out and I can dish it right back at you.
No ego at all.. quite fun proving you wrong
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October 08, 2015, 08:42:55 PM
sure there was as I pointed out his flaws you jump all over others.. maybe you can work as his paid marketer or receptionist taking orders for his new book.

Bruised ego fan club versus AnonyMint.

All on board here and now.

I'll be waiting for the proofs. Dish it out and I can dish it right back at you.
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October 08, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
other than some misleading statements about his past legal troubles

Prove he has committed a crime. If there is a case with public evidence then that should be trivially easy.

Legally speaking his guilty plea and conviction is sufficient proof, and public record of such.

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(this exercise will prove you are making slanderous statement above)

If he wishes to make a claim against me for stating that he has had past legal troubles or that he was convicted of a crime, then I will be happy to provide him with my attorney's contact information. That should be fun, for about 15 minutes until the court record of his conviction is presented as evidence and the case gets thrown out.

"But, but, but I didn't do it! Constitutional rights!" doesn't work for half or more of the guys in the clink who say the same thing, and it doesn't work for him either.
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October 08, 2015, 08:41:41 PM
sure there was as I pointed out his flaws you jump all over others.. maybe you can work as his paid marketer or receptionist taking orders for his new book.
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October 08, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
other than some misleading statements about his past legal troubles

Prove he has committed a crime. If there is a case with public evidence then that should be trivially easy.

(this exercise will prove you are making slanderous statement above)

afterall Ive already proved he is not allowed to be wrong here about his prediction style.

You didn't prove anything by presenting 2 samples of noise and constructing a strawman as was explained to you ad nauseum up thread. You continue to have bruised ego and so I am in your shit list.

Objectivity much.

Discussed yes. Proven no. Smooth needs to also prove.
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October 08, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
This is more a thread on anonymints interpretation of armstrog rather than the merits or lack thereof of his predictions... afterall Ive already proved he is not allowed to be wrong here about his prediction style.
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October 08, 2015, 08:27:34 PM
There appears to be a lot of banter on this thread lately.

I suggest some people need to take a break from the "internets"...

 Roll Eyes




Relax folks internets is RISKY BUSINESS...



Because boys become men...



So the only guiding rule is...



So please don't any of this serious boys we are still just only (beyond middle age!) men...

Quote from: Wikipedia
In law, a conviction is the verdict that results when a court of law finds a defendant guilty of a crime.

Who would've fathomed that definition of "conviction" requires not just any court, but a lawful court.  Shocked Oh my fucking Lord of Dangling Balls I am shocked! Really courts have to be lawful in order for there to be a conviction? Are you sure? That is ludicrous. How could we ever have any convictions if that is the case! Wikipedia has to be in error.

Quote from: Wikipedia
An error which results in the conviction of an innocent person is known as a miscarriage of justice

There is your proof Wikipedia is derelict! How can an inanimate object receive a fetal extraction by suction apparatus.

Everyone knows the correct term is 'assfucked' or when in the presence of your grandmother 'anally-violated'.
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October 08, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
smooth I'd really like for you to prove to me that Armstrong is a fraud.

Why? Did I claim that?

It's pretty vague too: "_____ is a fraud".

What does that even mean?

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proof that he committed a crime and/or is a fraud in his current endeavors.

I see no evidence of any misconduct with respect to his current endeavors, other than some misleading statements about his past legal troubles that might arguably help sell his DVDs and seminars and whatever else it is he is selling these days (though I don't really think that is his intent). Nothing that rises to the level of "serious" though.

If I see something along those lines, I might look into it more closely if it interests me, but so far I haven't.
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October 08, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
There appears to be a lot of banter on this thread lately.

I suggest some people need to take a break from the "internets"...

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