Mastering the market movement is what aid profits and not the price.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Yes ofcourse that is true because we can see that there are traders who make huge gains by shorting their assets.
So this shows that how profits can be made in a falling market as well as a growing market.
It all depends from person to person and not everybody can make profits in a falling market.

There are really traders who can earn no matter what the market situation is. It depends on one's skill and knowledge because dealing with the market's volatility is quite hard, especially during the bearish season. New traders might see the bear as a threat but as time passes by, you'll realize that it's still an earning opportunity.

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I have a friend who told me that he made his highest trading profits in last weekend's market conditions even though most crypto of holders were lamenting the price fall that saw many assets losing billions in value and volume all due to the market crash.

The most important thing in trading is skills and mastery once you cultivate those two qualities trading become easy and fewer losses and more profits.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 25, 2022, 03:07:32 PM

Price analysis can also be a good factor to consider only on a long-term base and if one wants to make a passive trading decision then it must be of liquidity and volatility to open a position at the right time and predict which direction the trade could go. I use that term because the market is unpredictable in general view but with the volatility comes an increase in trading profits if the market is mastered and skills build to dictate the future of the market and which direction it goes in the long run.

So are you earning a passive income with the present market situation?

I tried many times to trade regularly in order to gain passive profits but I'm not able to stay for long. The same situation with those people I met before, they were only good for months. Except for those traders who turned mentors and are now teaching and coaching about trading. I am not against trading gurus but there are too many of them that were able to remain unemployed and free from 8 to 5 mainly because they earned thru trading mentorships and coaching not from trading.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Yes ofcourse that is true because we can see that there are traders who make huge gains by shorting their assets.
So this shows that how profits can be made in a falling market as well as a growing market.
It all depends from person to person and not everybody can make profits in a falling market.

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Price analysis can also be a good factor to consider only on a long-term base and if one wants to make a passive trading decision then it must be of liquidity and volatility to open a position at the right time and predict which direction the trade could go. I use that term because the market is unpredictable in general view but with the volatility comes an increase in trading profits if the market is mastered and skills build to dictate the future of the market and which direction it goes in the long run.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

This is such a great way to explain what traders do. I mean many people think that price matters and when it goes up its profits and when it goes up just waits etc etc. If you know what you are doing, then you understand which direction bitcoin will go and you can make a profit in whatever direction it goes. It is not an easy thing but it is not an impossible thing neither.

You just have to realize that it is going to be a bit of a tough thing to handle. I personally believe that we shouldn't really be focusing that much on anything like that, it is an easy thing to lose yourself in prices and profits and what not, just buy bitcoin and hold it for a long time and you are fine.

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Quote from: ItsCrafty on August 24, 2022, 10:56:26 AM

Actually you cannot identify the market movement because just experts knows about it and may be they just suppose about it not they have the actual details. But it is possible to take profit in bear market by investing in some of the various coins and you should pick out distinct coins, not invest all the revenue in a single coin. Yeah it can be done that you have keep your eyes on price chart it will aid you in gaining dividend, you can also buy some coins during bear market but wait before trade for the price to get back to high. It will give you ease.

Not also because the experts also can not know for sure what will happen in the market. Maybe they can provide a complete analysis than ordinary traders but will not share the full analysis with the public because it will be their secret. Yes, I agree with you about the possibility to keep taking profits in a bear market but we have to be extra selective and careful because not all coins can increase in a short time. In this bear market, many coins can be used as investments but it is better to choose only promising coins because they have the opportunity to increase later.

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Quote from: blockman on August 24, 2022, 05:39:17 PM

I don't think that many are confused. Everyone's got a plan on what to do based on the market's status but it is that surprising things are coming out from the market itself.
And that's why whether they're planned, it's looking that they're not really planned at all and that's made them total loss instead of making a profit.
Whether you master the market or not, as long as you've got strategies being executed that one has been proven by you alone to be effective.

What happens is the most traders are unable to adapt to the dynamic nature of the markets, if people at the beginning of 2020 would have told you that we will go through the worst pandemic on the last century, a severe economic crisis and a war many people would not have believed it and yet it happened.

And simply most traders lack the tools to adapt to those circumstances, and it is why planning while important can also be incredibly useless as it is impossible to plan for such an absurd series of events and instead our only option is to improvise and take the best decision we can at the moment.

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I don't think that many are confused. Everyone's got a plan on what to do based on the market's status but it is that surprising things are coming out from the market itself.
And that's why whether they're planned, it's looking that they're not really planned at all and that's made them total loss instead of making a profit.
Whether you master the market or not, as long as you've got strategies being executed that one has been proven by you alone to be effective.

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Quote from: Nrcewker on August 24, 2022, 11:35:12 AM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Agree upto a certain extent, but yes not completely agree.
I mean it’s very hard to always predict the market movement, so yes risk is involved here. But as time passes, many traders gain experience and find similar trends in the market for which they are able to make profits.
Moreover price also plays an important factor in trading, so if you don’t consider it as an important element, then definitely you will buy any coin at many wrong prices.

Its just standard or common sense that you would really be needing to deal up with market movement or volatility since you've been dealing with market which price would be always volatile.
The thing on here is that you should really know on how to make a move on various conditions or movements that you could see on this space.You cant just throw out some position order without
having any basis and being a good and profitable trader is to that someone who are fully aware and do knows on what to do on certain market conditions although it wont really be that precise
since no one could predict the future or what things lies ahead but with due experience you could really have some advantage compared to those who doesnt have.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Agree upto a certain extent, but yes not completely agree.
I mean it’s very hard to always predict the market movement, so yes risk is involved here. But as time passes, many traders gain experience and find similar trends in the market for which they are able to make profits.
Moreover price also plays an important factor in trading, so if you don’t consider it as an important element, then definitely you will buy any coin at many wrong prices.

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Actually you cannot identify the market movement because just experts knows about it and may be they just suppose about it not they have the actual details. But it is possible to take profit in bear market by investing in some of the various coins and you should pick out distinct coins, not invest all the revenue in a single coin. Yeah it can be done that you have keep your eyes on price chart it will aid you in gaining dividend, you can also buy some coins during bear market but wait before trade for the price to get back to high. It will give you ease.

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1.   The bear market has continued for a couple of weeks now. and from the look of it, the pullback in Bitcoin and most coins prices have shaded off a lot from the gains of the past making the previous bull price of 69k an all-time high bitcoin price to look as a mirror gain as the price has dropped above 70% since the price touched the highest in 2021.

2.   This present market condition call for a more holistic analysis of the market before any purchase is done especially as a trader because the market condition seems not to be favorable for just forecast and speculation rather data and charts need to be analyzed to make an adequate trading decision.
3.   That being said we must also consider the place of volatility in our analysis of the present market as that will be crucial to an anticipated outcome and we must settle our mind with the fact that the unpredictability of the price of cryptocurrency makes it hard to work with data available and to arrive at an accurate conclusion that will result in Bitcoin future price. So we must be careful and have in mind that we are dealing with a risky asset.

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That is why there is always the best time to trade and when not to trade particularly in bear market condition where trading is much more risky to perform. Although some pro traders still succeed in making profitable trades, but in most cases, when the market condition is very unstable, it’s hard to expect a successful trade most particularly with beginner traders.

The bear market need to be handled with care. Only buy when you feel the bottom has been reached and don't spend all of the budget right away. It is difficult to get this assessment correctly. While even lower drops are possible, don't be disheartened and continue to watch the market. All these things are a type of learning experience for many traders. It helps when you have backup stock market experience but even if someone does not, they can still learn to keep their cool.

The minimum skills needed here is patience which is lacking in maximum people. Also don't expect huge movments in short periods of time.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 20, 2022, 10:14:24 AM

Knowledge and skills is the most important tbh, where in there's no way you can succeed and get massive profits on this kind of market if you don't have such the most important key.. You must have a lot of efforts and patience at the same time as well because there's a lot of process before you can obtain a knowledge and good skills to succeed.

Knowledge and skills are the two important attributes and character that any trader that want to succeed either in bull or bear market trading, for sure a good trader should be able to survive in whatever market conditions if only and when they have the right skills and knowledge.

The price of Bitcoin or whatever coin you trading in matters also because if you have bought a coin at xx price and before you execute the trade the price drop back to only x which means you are already down in losses of x just for holding that coin at that moment so the price also matters.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Sorry to say but the market is the real master here. No matter how skilled or knowledgeable we are in crypto trading, there’s no way we can master it up to the highest level due to the unpredictable movement of the market.

Of course being knowledgeable in TAs, etc., indeed helps us to at least know what would be the possible next move of a certain cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, but that doesn’t mean that it’s 100% accurate because anything could happen unexpectedly without warning.

This is why even long time traders or self-proclaimed crypto experts couldn't get an exact prediction of the market.
We are all just speculating in this market, and we used those acquired knowledge and skills to possibly take advantage and get profits.
But hard to master this market, because every project has their own features and you can't apply your fix strategy.
It changes according to the project and how it performs in the market. Besides, you need to keep up with their updates to know where they are heading to.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Sorry to say but the market is the real master here. No matter how skilled or knowledgeable we are in crypto trading, there’s no way we can master it up to the highest level due to the unpredictable movement of the market.

Of course being knowledgeable in TAs, etc., indeed helps us to at least know what would be the possible next move of a certain cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, but that doesn’t mean that it’s 100% accurate because anything could happen unexpectedly without warning.

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Quote from: MinMan on August 18, 2022, 11:30:11 AM

There are small fluctuations but that should only give you small profits. You can't say that it's not about the price because what if you master this market already but the price doesn't move? Do you think you can be able to produce any profit? I bet no.

Do we have the chance to master the price movement? I'm uncertain about that but it was not necessary to do it, what is most important is that we understand the volatility of the price and take this opportunity to earn some profit. We don't need to be perfect either because what we need is to adopt the market condition. As long as we can manage to draw a good analysis despite the up and down conditions, earning is not possible.

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Quote from: Ararbermas on August 20, 2022, 10:14:24 AM

Knowledge and skills is the most important tbh, where in there's no way you can succeed and get massive profits on this kind of market if you don't have such the most important key.. You must have a lot of efforts and patience at the same time as well because there's a lot of process before you can obtain a knowledge and good skills to succeed.

Knowledge is important but market experience and knowing how to control the nerves is important in the market. It is not easy to master the movements of the market and it takes time to get accustomed with the sudden and slow movements in this market happening overnight and during days.

It is therefore not easy to remain a strong trader in all occasions and break from trading is important. Accumulating during the phase of bear and selling during the phase of bull should be the target. While the profit made from the same should be either put up in the long term hold box or shifted to regular trading.

If one thinks they have mastered the market movements, they are being a fool. Just focus on your buying and selling.

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Quote from: john1010 on August 20, 2022, 09:38:04 AM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

I totally agree with you dude, many people who've involved themselves in crypto didn't know this method, they always look on the price and somebody hyped with other opinion, the most effective and low risk method is analyzing the chart, this is a winning formula in trading.

Some experiences aren't available yet to the newbies in the market but once they are exposed to it then everything will change. Although, I find some didn't learn their lesson once this experience is present it always learning the hard way for these guys. It is important to have those skills and knowledge so that you can beat their system and maximize your desired profit in the future.

For now, investing on learning and mastering the skills of different kinds of strategy in trading will pays off someday. Keep grinding.

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