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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Don't complain about the conditions, but keep learning about analyzing the market because that's the condition to trade in all conditions.
If you can have a good analysis, in the sense that you can analyze to be able to get a profit, you don't need to be afraid of any conditions.
You can also persevere to keep trying to make a profit. Even though the profit is not as big as when the bull market arrives, it is still a profit.
You have to stay optimistic and keep learning to analyze the market and if your analysis is wrong, you can try to find out where it went wrong to improve your skills.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:26 PM

Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

I don't feel that trading is more difficult in a bear market, in my opinion, trading is difficult at all times and many traders find it difficult to make more profits than loss in the long run; acquiring trading skills and good strategies with which to trade, the better your chances than someone that lacks those, but to master the market isn't possible, in the end what you are doing is just making predictions, and some will even call it gambling, so having the feeling that you have mastered the market and the next minute you are making losses because of a wrong prediction doesn't make too much sense.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

I don't know what confused means in trading because for me, I really myself and the strategies I used and profits will come once performed it well. We don't need to master the market movement or whatever it is because what we need is to adopt the volatility of the market and be able to go along with it, it is called adjustments. Price? that really matters in trading - buy low, sell high that is certainly how trading works which means that people are very focused on the price movement.

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Quote from: rby on August 12, 2022, 03:56:42 PM

Mastering the market movement will give you insights about the price movements. Knowing the price movements shows that you have mastered the market movements. Boths need each other to get good results. For you to master the market movements you need to know your technical and fundamentals very well. When you check the price, it is the first thing that is affected when there is strong fundamentals.
To get the actual market movements you will pay even attention to volume of trade, IRS etc. The market demands that you keep learning new things because the market is ever changing.

I will agree with you because to understand the rudiments of investment is the ability of interpreting the market by using chart. But sometimes people do use prediction of people concerning personal analysis to interpret the positive and negative of the market of cryptocurrency. But from my understanding what that will give you a concrete ideology of cryptocurrency is chart and the movement of the candles sticks.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:26 PM

Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

So much opportunity exist within the market and for sure individuality plays a vital aspect on that. If one is a big bag holder and skillful in trading, you can easily take hold of the market situation to accumulate more coins and also do some passive moves that will bring in good turn over within some time, but that depends on how much cash you have to play around with, and how willing one is to taking risk.
Trading is not that easy but with the right skills and knowledge a trader does not really need market orice to make profits when he/she is biding on the asset directly and not on the USTd value.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It takes a lot of varied experiences before a good trader master the market movement, as the market moves very uncertain and unpredictable. That is why if you trade without studying and analyzing the market movement, you will eventually end up losing. While those who trade with good market analysis and have high experiences in trading, mostly end up with a successful trade as they are more inclined to the different market movement.

Lots of trial and error
Lots of time been put up
Lots of effort
Lots of making decisions
Lots of capital

You would really be needing or inevitably able to apply all of these things before you could able to have a good grasps on this market.
Make yourself able to sustain and this is the main thing that you should really put up into your mind.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It takes a lot of varied experiences before a good trader master the market movement, as the market moves very uncertain and unpredictable. That is why if you trade without studying and analyzing the market movement, you will eventually end up losing. While those who trade with good market analysis and have high experiences in trading, mostly end up with a successful trade as they are more inclined to the different market movement.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

First, you must understand the risks of trading this volatile asset. Second if you are really interested in trading it then you have to be prepared to take the risk. I just think we should avoid trading greed because we basically never really know what will happen to the next price.

Buying on the dip is a good strategy if we really believe in the potential profit we can make in the long run. But I don't think this method will be as good as expected if it is applied to random altcoin that we never know and know about their use cases, so I only agree if this is practiced on bitcoin or some of the top altcoin.

Mastery of the market movement is not that easy as you have to experience different market conditions so you can tell its price movements too. Even legend traders cannot guarantee to never lose in trading particularly when the market is very unstable. That is why if you want to secure your money, never trade when you see the market is not suitable for trading activities. Especially when the market is bearish, its better to keep on buying and accumulate more bitcoin as it will maximize your profits when the market turns bullish.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on August 11, 2022, 06:04:55 PM

There are different strategies used by day traders, but mostly depend on:

technical analysis
sentiments
mindset
risk management (the amount of money used and leveraging)

Trading is beyond mastering market movement alone, you need a kind of trading strategy that will let you still have rest of mind to certain unfavorable price while some traders prefer stop loss. Also mastering the market price without any trading analysis may likely result to loss.

Just like you said, I won't agree less with you that trading is beyond mastering market movement. It Is not even possible to master market without applying some strategies but what I'm not understanding is the part you mentioned sentiments I mean how does sentiment play a role as a strategy in mastering market? I agree with rest of the strategies mentioned but I would like you to throw more lights on sentiment.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on August 14, 2022, 09:29:26 PM

Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

When the market is in bear, it's most of the time I studied the other altcoins that I didn't bought or trade ever. It's hard to master the market since its too volatile and have too many factors to look at, but once we see our good side or realized our better way to gain profit then we can discover strategies that can help to improve our ways and learn to make them better to be profitable. We must know how to continuously adapt ourselves in the volatility of the market for our better strategy.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

Market conditions of course are all the stuff that happen in the market. For one to be successful, one has to have a mastery or closest to mastering them. This is the reason technical analysis is very important if one were to succeed in trading. Indicators provide one the navigation to have a mastery of what the market says and where it's likely heading to. Once the basic skills that aid the mastery of the market are in place as acquired, then it's smooth sailing and profit making for the trader. So, market conditions are important to take note of.

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I believe that taking advantage of the market would mean that you are going to trade your most optimal way, and with cryptocurrency markets, that's going to be 24/7, and that's going to continue much in the long run. So you would probably take advantage of a trading bot that could do that even while you sleep. I recommend Gunbot as your go-to bot because it can do the job for you.

You would probably need to apply and employ various strategies to adapt to the market with different market conditions. There should also be a risk management part for your portfolio so you wouldn't lose it all. You can also set that up with Gunbot if you prefer it.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on August 14, 2022, 06:44:08 PM

Trading during this bear market is quite challenging, the market can change and drop very easily.
That is why if as a day trader, they need to set more preparation to fave this market situation.
The first thing is by learning continuoisly. But in fact, the thing wil not go as well as the theory and consideration. Sometimes unpredictable increase or drop are happening. This lead the situation of trading changes very quickly and make us lost money.
In trading, we need to donat keast:
Doing research and analysis not only on the chart or indicators but also fundamentally and the outside factors influencing.

It is true that trading crypto during a bear market is much more challenging, because it is not as easy as trading in a bull market situation.
Actually, there are more traders who experience losses in bear markets, that's because not all traders have good experience and analytical skills.
That's why we should never be lazy to improve our analytical skills, so when a bear market, where the market is very volatile, we better understand
how to generate effective profits. Especially if we want to make money through day trading, it requires careful preparation, many things must be
taken into account. But if we already have good analytical skills, we can predict where the market will move, then which coins should we choose,
after that we can run the strategy that we think is effective. We must remember that the greater our efforts to prepare ourselves before deciding
to trade, the results obtained will not disappoint.

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Yes, taking advantage of opportunities during the bearish or bullish market is what gives you profits. Even during the bear market, there are many good opportunities that can give you profits, but you have to know how to take advantage of them. Monitoring the market is necessary to get good opportunities. But of course this is more difficult during a bear market.

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A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

I know the difficulties in trading during the bear market as many indices will lead to losses, but then there are some other extremely good in trading and can make profits in whatever market conditions. But at a time like this, a newbie trader will have to restrain from passive trading as the risk of losing is high, especially with highly volatile assets.

Expert traders make profit in both bear and bull market, but I understand what hugeblack is talking about, even some people will think they are good traders, they prefer to only open long position or buy during bull market, if they make profit often, they will think that they are good, some traders think they are good just because of bull market, but saw it otherwise during bear market. But there are some traders that can still win in both bull and bear market, while some will lose in both bull and bear market.

The bull market can be extremely deceiving, a newbie that comes to the market when it is growing up almost every day may come to the conclusion that they are a great trader because they are earning huge profits, however it isn't until they are hit with a bear market when they begin to understand how difficult it is to make any money in the markets, and that is when you can tell who was just lucky and who is a good trader that can pull off profits regardless of whether the market is going up or down.

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Trading during this bear market is quite challenging, the market can change and drop very easily.
That is why if as a day trader, they need to set more preparation to fave this market situation.
The first thing is by learning continuoisly. But in fact, the thing wil not go as well as the theory and consideration. Sometimes unpredictable increase or drop are happening. This lead the situation of trading changes very quickly and make us lost money.
In trading, we need to donat keast:
Doing research and analysis not only on the chart or indicators but also fundamentally and the outside factors influencing.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 13, 2022, 03:01:36 PM

Quote from: hugeblack on August 13, 2022, 02:26:58 PM

A bear market makes profit more difficult, the opportunity to obtain a loan is more difficult, and the possibility of recovering money is slower and more dangerous. Therefore, many people try to look for investment opportunities in other areas when the market is down until things improve again.
This does not mean that it is not possible to make a profit in a bear market, but why fatigue and risk in a bear market and it is possible to achieve a faster and more secure profit.

I know the difficulties in trading during the bear market as many indices will lead to losses, but then there are some other extremely good in trading and can make profits in whatever market conditions. But at a time like this, a newbie trader will have to restrain from passive trading as the risk of losing is high, especially with highly volatile assets.

Expert traders make profit in both bear and bull market, but I understand what hugeblack is talking about, even some people will think they are good traders, they prefer to only open long position or buy during bull market, if they make profit often, they will think that they are good, some traders think they are good just because of bull market, but saw it otherwise during bear market. But there are some traders that can still win in both bull and bear market, while some will lose in both bull and bear market.

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Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

This is a market fact that every market condition is capable of giving the trader who understands the market terrain to make profit. Many people especially day traders complain about losing in bear market but I can say that it is because we are so anxious to always be in the market, we give ourselves daily target as daily trader and we keep to chase it but the bear market can frustrate that. We need to be patient and know the trend. If the trend is bear then buying is taking more risk.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 11, 2022, 08:06:36 PM

Quote from: Odusko on August 11, 2022, 05:54:03 PM

As a day trader or a passive trader, most are confused about how to make the best out of the market, and many will always complain of losses during a bear market, meanwhile with the right mastery one can make massive profits in the bear market and this goes further to clarify the fact that market conditions do not have much to.do with your profit maximizing but proper market mastering is what gives profits in whatever market.

It is not that simple, market conditions do have an effect on your ability to produce profitable trades, any trading system needs a trend to make profits, so even if you do not care about going long or short you need big enough movements so after you buy the market moves in your desired direction and then you can sell for a profit, this means there are some market conditions in which it is almost impossible to produce profits even for the best traders.

Cryptos market do trend most of the time an experience trader knows when the market is trending bearish or bullish and when the market is in ranging mode, when crypto trends it is noticeably obvious especially bitcoin thus a trader with a working strategy enters the market when the trend is established pulls the trigger for Long trade in a Bullish market, Short trade in a bearish market and stayed out of market in Ranging mode which is not profitable and might even ended in losses, however this bow down to the fact that experience and skills is needed to becoming a successful trader which doesn't come easily but with determination and courage it can be achieved.

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Quote from: samcrypto on August 11, 2022, 06:04:35 PM

Continuous learning is the key, the market changes from time to time and we should be more flexible with our strategy since one is not enough and might not give profit to you if you didn't adopt.

Mastering the movement is not easy, I can say that no traders can master this one since its a day to day basis and what happened today might not happen tomorrow, so again be flexible learn everything about trading and use many strategy as much as possible depends on the situation.

Just deal every market condition rightly and ride with it, that way you will not lose everything you have. Mastering the market movement and knowing what will happen next is something we can’t do in this uncertain crypto market, but with proven strategies that you have, you will still become profitable despite of the bear market happening. As bear market has less chances to become profitable, but if you are good enough, then bear market is not an excuse not to make massive profits.

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