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Quote from: mak013 on December 17, 2024, 02:51:49 AM

Everybody losers here. Home match not a big advantage. These teams could move earlier to Europe and prepare to the games, but now they have to prepare between two games. And it is if we are talking about ideal situation that all 6 teams would be from Americas(as for me, North America would be ok too).

3 of them will be from South America, that was the deal, nobody knows the rest because we don't know which team will qualify but the obvious chance is that the other 3 will be from outside, they will probably try to force the odds so it will be Europeans ones in order to avoid making a team travel to 3 continents.

Quote from: hedgeh0g on December 16, 2024, 05:08:23 AM

Of course, I don't know a single fan from my circle who would want to fly to every match to root for their favorite team. In that case, I would prefer to stay in one country and go to the matches that seem most interesting to me.

Depends a bit on what the distance really is, for example, between Madrid and Lisbon you have 600 kilometers, and this is between two countries, for example, fans trying to get to Lille from Marseille have around 1000km in the same league Grin

Normally top teams get at least 30% of the tickets, spread this across 20,000 fans and if we count richer countries I assume it would be easy 5k fans that would travel across these countries to see all the matches.

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Quote from: stompix on December 16, 2024, 03:43:41 AM

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I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

If those 6 are from South America they would actually have an advantage since they will play "at home" match and then fly to Europe, the truly disadvantage ones would be teams from Asia who will need to fly to South America first, maybe even face the host country and then fly to maybe both Spain and Morroco for the next two, that would be bad! Also, about hosting it, we had South Africa managing it and that was close to a complete failure, Uruguay and Paraguay are miles ahead while Morroco is far better even now 6 years before than most of the bidders.

The losers in this are the fans, imagine trying to cheer for your team and being forced to pay 30 times the tickets in airplane travel.

Everybody losers here. Home match not a big advantage. These teams could move earlier to Europe and prepare to the games, but now they have to prepare between two games. And it is if we are talking about ideal situation that all 6 teams would be from Americas(as for me, North America would be ok too).

PS. It would be an opportunity for some fans to see such holiday without expenses - even if they would not visit the match - the holiday would be around them. But it is just trying to find something positive in such awful decision.

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Quote from: stompix on December 16, 2024, 03:43:41 AM

Quote from: mak013 on December 15, 2024, 03:43:12 AM

Quote from: stompix on December 14, 2024, 07:29:20 AM

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I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

If those 6 are from South America they would actually have an advantage since they will play "at home" match and then fly to Europe, the truly disadvantage ones would be teams from Asia who will need to fly to South America first, maybe even face the host country and then fly to maybe both Spain and Morroco for the next two, that would be bad! Also, about hosting it, we had South Africa managing it and that was close to a complete failure, Uruguay and Paraguay are miles ahead while Morroco is far better even now 6 years before than most of the bidders.

The losers in this are the fans, imagine trying to cheer for your team and being forced to pay 30 times the tickets in airplane travel.

To be honest, I don't really like this format either, although of course it is new and makes it better for those who live in the countries and cities where the matches are held. Of course, I don't know a single fan from my circle who would want to fly to every match to root for their favorite team. In that case, I would prefer to stay in one country and go to the matches that seem most interesting to me. It seems to me that this format will not be successful, although 2030 is still a long way off and perhaps something will change in our changing world.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 15, 2024, 03:43:12 AM

Quote from: stompix on December 14, 2024, 07:29:20 AM

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I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

If those 6 are from South America they would actually have an advantage since they will play "at home" match and then fly to Europe, the truly disadvantage ones would be teams from Asia who will need to fly to South America first, maybe even face the host country and then fly to maybe both Spain and Morroco for the next two, that would be bad! Also, about hosting it, we had South Africa managing it and that was close to a complete failure, Uruguay and Paraguay are miles ahead while Morroco is far better even now 6 years before than most of the bidders.

The losers in this are the fans, imagine trying to cheer for your team and being forced to pay 30 times the tickets in airplane travel.

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Quote from: Z-tight on December 14, 2024, 03:11:55 PM

If the team is a quality one, then it makes it harder to beat them, i.e. Spain is a big team that can beat any country on their day, so if they are at home and with their crowd behind them, they have more motivation to give their best. However, for a smaller team, i.e. Qatar or Saudi Arabia, it would not matter too much, they are not strong and not even playing at home can help them.

I'm not saying that I disagree that Spain or Portugal are high-quality teams and stronger than others like Qatar or Saudi Arabia but we have all seen how difficult it becomes to win those "lower level" national teams, especially in front of their fans. Now, the difference in quality that previously existed between teams has greatly reduced, while the importance and influence of the fans remains an important factor.

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Quote from: Z-tight on December 14, 2024, 03:11:55 PM

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When a football team plays in their home country, it increases their chances of winning. The players feel the support of their fans and try to demonstrate their best game.

If the team is a quality one, then it makes it harder to beat them, i.e. Spain is a big team that can beat any country on their day, so if they are at home and with their crowd behind them, they have more motivation to give their best. However, for a smaller team, i.e. Qatar or Saudi Arabia, it would not matter too much, they are not strong and not even playing at home can help them.

Yes, of course, the weaker the football team, the less chances it has to become a champion.

And even a large number of fans - compatriots in the stands of the stadium will not be able to help it. Nevertheless, even a weak team in such conditions can show a better result than one could expect from it. And this point is very important for us - players who bet on sports competitions.

At the same time, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Spain, Portugal and Morocco are amazing countries that I would really like to visit! Of these countries, I have only been to Spain.

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Quote from: stompix on December 14, 2024, 07:29:20 AM

The whole thing has become a joke!

I would understand if it would mean something really great like you know Germany and France hosting this after WW1, but from what it was supposed to be to the actual meaningless political garbage that is the decisive factor is who is hosting what and in what format it has come down a long way.

Quote from: mak013 on December 14, 2024, 12:59:52 AM

Now we see awful decision - moving between America, Africa and Europe.
There is one more reason i don`t like these choice. I don`t sure that Morocco, Paraguay and Uruguay has good enough stadiums. It is possible that they will build new ones, but it is really difficult as for me for these countries to create good infrastructure and stadiums.

They don't need stadiums and at maximum only 6 teams will travel to South America.
Just the first 3 matches will be played in Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay the rest of the matches will be in Spain Portugal and Morroco, so most of the teams might travel less than half of what they did when Brazil hosted it.

I was mistaken. I thought that there are problems with modern stadiums in these countries, but found that they have at least one modern stadium in every country. I don`t know about infrastructure, but i think that it would be enough.
Anyway, 6 teams will start in America and move to Europe after it. Even if all these teams would be from Americas, they get disadvantage in the Europe and it decrease the football quality and gives an opportunity to different disputes about honesty on the WC.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on December 14, 2024, 11:19:17 AM

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There's a significant effect on some situations, but eventually every person would soon adapt the changes. They'll be getting used up with the changes and I think crowd would soon increase as well as the audience growing numbers. This huge event of FIFA is somehow a worldwide stream when each team match commences, so there's nothing impossible that this system would remain consistent and efficient.

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.

Especially if it is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

Certainly, mental motivation should be observed on most athletes nowadays because without that mindset the performance won't earn good outcome. Social relationship particular with different locations of every athlete would provide them strong self esteem to strive harder for their related sports activities. Mental health well of course matters, it's the essential thing for a person who carries huge responsibility for the team they belong.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on December 14, 2024, 02:43:10 PM

When a football team plays in their home country, it increases their chances of winning. The players feel the support of their fans and try to demonstrate their best game.

If the team is a quality one, then it makes it harder to beat them, i.e. Spain is a big team that can beat any country on their day, so if they are at home and with their crowd behind them, they have more motivation to give their best. However, for a smaller team, i.e. Qatar or Saudi Arabia, it would not matter too much, they are not strong and not even playing at home can help them.

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When a football team plays in their home country, it increases their chances of winning. The players feel the support of their fans and try to demonstrate their best game.

Thus, the football teams of six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay can demonstrate football of better quality than when these same football teams played in a foreign country. Some of them can even become champions. For example, the football team of Spain has a great chance.

Holding games on the territory of 6 countries is a great idea! It will be a real holiday for wealthy fans who will be able to visit all these 6 countries, rooting for their favorite football teams.

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Quote from: Yucky on December 13, 2024, 08:03:55 AM

Same. I prefer betting on leagues because they have more active watchers, viewers, and speculators. When it comes to the World Cup, I take my time to study the participating countries if I want to bet. However, I'm more familiar with leagues than World Cups.

Likewise, some times I do find it very hard to roll along with this cups as well because most times it's that hard to predict the country to win or lose, making bettors to be that very selective having the fear to choose correctly, to me it's more of guess than using the past history to gamble since it is years past. Gambler wouldn't know the changes that may likely occurred within the period of spacing of matches, you can't tell if there's any improvement across very countries.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on December 14, 2024, 11:19:17 AM

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.

Especially if it is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

These guys are professionals, so they know what they’re doing, and their main goal is to win no matter where they play. However, we can’t take home-court advantage lightly, it’s called an advantage for a reason. It gives the home team an edge, with the encouragement and inspiration of playing in front of their countrymen being a huge factor.

Even weaker teams tend to perform better in that situation. So, when betting, it’s always worth considering, especially if the odds seem attractive and undervalued.

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The roar of the supporters in a stadium will certainly have an impact, whether it is big or not is all subjective. However, if the atmosphere in the stadium is so strong with the terms of meaning, of course it will be very influential, especially in World Cup matches. For example, in my country, loyal supporters of the national team will have a strong effect on the players who will compete, they seem motivated by the support given. Which means, a team that has great support directly in the stadium can increase self-confidence which has an impact on the performance of the players, although it does not always have to be the case. That is why the home team seems to have another advantage regardless of the strength of the team, but in any case the impact will always be there. Referring to your question, of course we will always consider all aspects related to a match, whether it is the country holding the match, the home team and many other factors. In football it is unique, we can look at it from various angles in the analysis material stage. Apart from all that, the final result of the match cannot be predicted as accurately as possible.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

One thing we need to understand is that the crowd/audience always play a key role in the performance of club or player in any sporting event, and as such, their importance can never be overemphasize, be it in either basketball, football or MMA fighting e.t.c. But that doesn't exclude the fact that even with the availability of crowd, a club just needs to be competent enough to achieve success in a game, which is also another thing that is crucial, since a good club will always better good, despite playing either home or away. Hence, inasmuch as the location a game will be played is important, let's not forget their individual strength, as that matters a lot.

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Quote from: Jewan420 on December 14, 2024, 03:30:40 AM

In big events, I try to enjoy the game more than betting. For example, the World Cup or the Continental Cup. These matches usually have a lot of competition and match predictions are very complicated. Especially if you are betting on such big events, you will not be able to enjoy the events easily. You can choose bilateral matches or club level matches for betting.

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I also like you prefer to enjoy it rather than betting on it since the world cup or continental tournament is more difficult and complicated to predict because there are many factors that affect it such as psychological pressure, player quality, and many other factors. Let's take the Qatar World Cup as an example, at that time many of the big football nations were favored to win, but who would have thought that Morocco could enter the semifinals by beating Portugal, holding Spain to a draw, and several others - no one could have predicted how Morocco could enter the semifinals - and that in itself is a logical reason why this big tournament is indeed difficult to predict and people who want to take the risk of betting on this tournament must already understand that.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform?

When a country or team play in front of their home fans, there is the chance for them to do better than when they are playing in an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar and nonsupporting fans. I actually take it into consideration when betting.

Quote from: kotajikikox on December 14, 2024, 11:19:17 AM

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.
Especially ifit is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

It is easier to say for you because you are just quoting theories. Even top athletes have their moments when they lack motivation or feel unmotivated to play and deliver an optimal performance and it can be due to many issues.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 13, 2024, 06:43:59 AM

I do not like to bet on continental and worth cup. This is because I am not good in such bets. I understand that it can be for fun but sometime I think I will prefer to just watch the matches and not bet on them. This is how I see continental and world cups. I really just prefer to bet on clubs matches.

It’s one of my favorite matches to bet on. I think it gives us that sense of pride to see someone of the same region or country competing and winning. They are able to promote their countries as well. Despite not having my country participate, I can just pick another country to claim as my own just to watch.

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What I think about your question is that it is possible that the matches result might be affected because the home can favour than playing away. Now it is 6 countries that will host the cup and not just a country.

Really excited as this may tip the scales a little bit. It will also be good for fans, imo. More chances to watch and see the match live.

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Playing at home is an advantage not only for the crowd but mostly because the at home team does not have to travel or sleep away from home.

So also take into consideration special rules on each country. For example Greece due to very severe incidents with hooligans will only allow fans of one team to enter the stadium for each match. As absurd as it sounds, it's an extreme measure to solve extreme violence. It hurts teams financially and may make people to think twice before being violent as it will really hurt their team.

But in the end this gives a huge advantage to the home team because the other team is not allowed to have a crowd at all! And to imagine for anyone to have to travel abroad for a match, surely also on international matches the home team has an advantage.

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Quote from: AliMan on December 14, 2024, 03:04:25 AM

There's a significant effect on some situations, but eventually every person would soon adapt the changes. They'll be getting used up with the changes and I think crowd would soon increase as well as the audience growing numbers. This huge event of FIFA is somehow a worldwide stream when each team match commences, so there's nothing impossible that this system would remain consistent and efficient.

If we are talking about athletes having to adapt to a different environment, I think a top athlete should be able to perform at their best regardless of where they are. Sure, home crowd will always give you some motivation but you should be motivated anywhere you are.

Especially if it is such an important match. Mental motivation is also one of the things that an athlete has to learn and excel in.

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Quote from: peter0425 on December 13, 2024, 06:34:27 AM

"In 2030, we will have a unique global footprint, three continents - Africa, Europe and South America - six countries - Argentina, Morocco, Paraguay, Portugal, Spain and Uruguay - welcoming and uniting the world while celebrating together the beautiful game, the centenary and the FIFA World Cup."

As gamblers, do you also take into consideration the countries where a match takes place? Do you really believe that the crowd/audience does have some effect in how a certain team or certain athlete will perform? What do you think does this new system of FIFA World cup imply for the performance of the teams?

Now, I sense some inequality here, if African was to be considered, why not consider her properly by assigning two of it's countries to be part of the events. It's still much unfair on FIFA's side.

Crowds have a very good impact on the performance of players. If you've a very supportive and effective crowd, they can help demoralize your opponents and encourage their team to success with the exception of teams that have been trained to such emotional strength that a stronger fan base has little or no effect on them. When I was younger and in the academy, our coach then always tells us that a team can win a match easily with a strong fan base.

A typical example is a Real Madrid and Villarreal match one time when Villarreal was home and Madrid was outplaying them, they started calling Vini which was their key performer a monkey and this destabilized him, made him lose concentration and angry and I think they lost that match to the home team

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