Topic: Matthew, I wish to present you a gift. - page 6. (Read 7384 times)

Well, the whole definition of humility at this point is 3p7548-98875=60943;nksdf;dsfg;m ds; ,m ;mp /;,mcx,h. It's not consistent.

humble:

1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.

This is what I am going by.

I like your math, son. 2+2=23p7548-98875=60943;nksdf;dsfg;m ds; ,m ;mp /;,mcx,h

So people who are not humble steal?

You may have noticed the defintions of humility you quoted don't mention value.

Everybody has things they are better at than the average person, while conversely, everybody has things they are worse at than the average person. People humble enough to recongnize this can exchange goods and services to their mutual benefit. If you do not recognize your limits or the ablilites of others, any exchange you enter into will likely be inefficient and sub-optimal.

To force people to accept a sub-optimal exchange involves coersion.

I value people and their virtues so I am humble? I know I am human so I am humble?

I see where you're coming from, and I'm with you.  But what I'm saying is, repayment for a gift is different from that of a favor.  When you are doing someone a favor, equal(ish) value is expected to be returned at some point (calling in a favor).  Which is putting them in your debt (a matter of dignity for those who don't like owing others).  A gift has no such stigma associated with it, regardless of what is received.      

When you say humility is for the weak, you ignore the most imporant aspects (bold converted to emphasis, my own bolding added):


Without humility, it is impossible to exchange value to everybody's mutual benefit.

However, since you seem to have a strange definition of "value", maybe my argument doesn't apply.

I disagree on principle. I give gifts because the repayment is inherent; the value of the person I'm giving to.


I agree with you here. Unanimous is the better choice of word. Thanks. : )

Once again, I disagree on principle. People go into an exchange to receive more than what they had before; value is created.



Yeah, it could use some work.

As always, context is king. 

versus

There is a reason most of those links were to dry business documents 

Well gift is something given with no expectation of repayment.  A favor is generally something given with expectation of it being paid back, as in repay the favor.  

Unilateral decision means one of two or more sides, you are speaking about people in general in the sentence you used it in, there is no other side.  A better word would be unanimous, which means in complete agreement, which fits the context of what you were trying to say much better.  

Additionally, your talk of "creating value" is odd, you don't create value.  You create or do things that are valued, or have value, you don't create value.  

Also your writing style in general is odd, the many sentence fragments really break up the rhythm of what you are trying to say.  I also saw what you said about not agreeing with the definition of the words, but that just doesn't make sense.  It's the definition whether you agree or not, isn't it?

Give some examples, please.

I don't really know who you are, but is English your second language?  If it is that's cool, I can't imagine talking in your primary language, but you should cut out the big words, most of them don't mean what you seem to think they mean. 

I have and then I realized it's pointless. In the end, it's only a matter of perception. People can think what they wish.

I value imperfection and value is objective. It may not be unilateral in consensus but people do things because they value them. We exchange out of value. It is the objective good that makes the world go round. Selfish pleasure is the ultimate end.

I never called anyone perfect. Also, stop giving me advice. It's worthless. I understand it completely. It's wrong.

More proof that Atlas still hasn't been able to buy a thesaurus with bitcoins, he somehow has equated humility with subjugation.

Is there a literary form of selective hearing? Where he can ignore entire sentences, or just gloss over them?

It's like seeing a piano student try to play like Rachmaninov: he hits most of the right notes but the rhythm is completely off and it all sounds stilted and broken.

Atlas, you do not sound intelligent when you write like this. Your sentences don't flow at all and most of the longer words that you use don't quite mean what you think that they do. Your grammar and syntax are "good" in that they follow grammatical rules in a mechanical sense but none of it strings together well; a copy-editor would slap the shit out of you. Worse, when you write this sort of confused paragraph on how great you are and how humility is for those who lack confidence, you merely come across as immature and/or stupid.

Oh, and saying that you're not "insecure" is just silly: you've created a dozen accounts to hide your mistakes and you've threatened suicide on these forums. If you were truly secure in who you are, you'd make a mistake and be able to learn from it and walk on with your head held high instead of hiding it poorly behind a new persona that any idiot could spot because your writing style is so obvious. If you were able and experienced enough to be that secure then you wouldn't do/say any of the things that you have been.

You're a kid, be a kid. Step away from the computer, have fun with your youth, accept that you can be a dumbfuck sometimes (because, like all 17yos, you are), and stop trying to be a pompous adult.

I honestly think that Matthew should clarify whether his statement that Atlas had stolen from himself and other members of his group was just a hyperbolic reference to Atlas not having transferred this domain to him.  If it was, then that was a pretty dramatic and misleading description of events.  If the reference was to something else, then I wish Matthew would put all his cards on the table once and for all now instead of revealing stuff in episodic fashion like the writer of some badly produced, low budget soap opera.

So what did Atlas steal?  

Ah, I love the raging hormone levels of the 17 year old. Unfortunately it's going to be such a "fall of the mighty" when biologically inevitably endogeneous levels will drop in 4 years. For people like Atlas who are cursed with such a strong emotional response to their hormones, this will mean a harder fall then for most. One can only hope, he'll live through it all.

Because no one is perfect, and the sooner we accept this the sooner we can get a clearer understanding of how the world works.

Also Value is highly subjective and you keep treating it like an objective good or goal.

Part of holding yourself high as a valuable human being is the act of holding other humans high as valuable people too.