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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:42:39 PM

Quote from: MoonShadow on July 06, 2011, 11:38:30 PM

None of these are regulations upon Bitcoin, or it's economy. This would require the implimentation of a total police state. I don't consider that much of a threat, myself.

Totally missing the point. If I can't monitor your Bitcoins, that doesn't preclude me from taxing you.

Oh, I didn't miss the point. And I don't disagree that taxes can be levied in other ways. There are many other ways to tax than direct taxation of income. I was talking about regulation of Bitcoin or the economy around it. Taxation is but one form of regulation.

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Quote from: MoonShadow on July 06, 2011, 11:38:30 PM

None of these are regulations upon Bitcoin, or it's economy. This would require the implimentation of a total police state. I don't consider that much of a threat, myself.

Totally missing the point. If I can't monitor your Bitcoins, that doesn't preclude me from taxing you.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:32:15 PM

Need more examples? I'm not saying these are desirable, but you did ask me to use my imagination, since you didn't want to take me up on the question yourself.

I can knock on your door and collect BTC or possessions from you based upon all sorts of different metrics:

The length of your fence
The square footage of your roof
How many pounds of living human flesh occupy your residence
The pollutants coming out of your tailpipe
The readings measured from your breath
The number of eyeballs you have
The number of legs you have

There are no limits to the imagination.

None of these are regulations upon Bitcoin, or it's economy. This would require the implimentation of a total police state. I don't consider that much of a threat, myself.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:32:15 PM

I can knock on your door and collect BTC or possessions from you based upon all sorts of different metrics:

And how are you going to collect?

Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:35:43 PM

And in an anarchy, they wouldn't call me a government. They'd call me a tyrant.

Yes, yes they would. "Sic Semper Tyranus"

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And in an anarchy, they wouldn't call me a government. They'd call me a tyrant.

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Quote from: MoonShadow on July 06, 2011, 11:29:48 PM

You would have to find my door, first. Even if you could, you would then have to prove that I had any bitcoin, would you not? How would you propose to do these things? If you can produce a credible scenario, then I'm selling because Bitcoin is a failure.

I would just go to everyone's door. And I wouldn't care how much bitcoin you had or where you kept it. As I said, I could employ other metrics.

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Need more examples? I'm not saying these are desirable, but you did ask me to use my imagination, since you didn't want to take me up on the question yourself.

I can knock on your door and collect BTC or possessions from you based upon all sorts of different metrics:

The length of your fence
The square footage of your roof
How many pounds of living human flesh occupy your residence
The pollutants coming out of your tailpipe
The readings measured from your breath
The number of eyeballs you have
The number of legs you have

There are no limits to the imagination.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:20:13 PM

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:12:55 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 11:07:32 PM

And the economy which uses bitcoins as its financial instrument cannot be regulated.

It sure as hell can be. Use your imagination.

You're the statist here. You use your imagination and tell me how you can force me to do shit with my BTC.

First of all, I'm not purely a statist, according to the definition of statism.

Regarding regulation, I don't need to know or care about your BTC. I can simply knock on your door.

You would have to find my door, first. Even if you could, you would then have to prove that I had any bitcoin, would you not? How would you propose to do these things? If you can produce a credible scenario, then I'm selling because Bitcoin is a failure.

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Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 11:15:21 PM

Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:12:55 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 11:07:32 PM

And the economy which uses bitcoins as its financial instrument cannot be regulated.

It sure as hell can be. Use your imagination.

You're the statist here. You use your imagination and tell me how you can force me to do shit with my BTC.

First of all, I'm not purely a statist, according to the definition of statism.

Regarding regulation, I don't need to know or care about your BTC. I can simply knock on your door. However, I'm not really interested in exploring such a police type state nor am I an advocate of it. But you did ask me.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:12:55 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 11:07:32 PM

And the economy which uses bitcoins as its financial instrument cannot be regulated.

It sure as hell can be. Use your imagination.

You're the statist here. You use your imagination and tell me how you can force me to do shit with my BTC.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 11:12:55 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 11:07:32 PM

And the economy which uses bitcoins as its financial instrument cannot be regulated.

It sure as hell can be. Use your imagination.

I want you to use your's, and tell me how you think that the bitcoin economy can be regulated.

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Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 11:07:32 PM

And the economy which uses bitcoins as its financial instrument cannot be regulated.

It sure as hell can be. Use your imagination.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 10:54:23 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:48:06 PM

Did you forget what site you're on? If you think Bitcoins can be regulated, let me know how.

Bitcoins are not an economy. At best, they're a financial instrument. An economy is a much greater thing, which includes agents, instruments, resources, and waste, and often exists within a closed system.

And the economy which uses bitcoins as its financial instrument cannot be regulated.

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Quote from: bitplane on July 06, 2011, 09:51:48 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 09:10:48 PM

[4]: Public Broadcasting is just as commercial as private. Watch an hour of PBS and see how many corporate "underwriters" you can spot.

The BBC isn't, no adverts on any TV or radio by law, no political bias either. The news is incredibly balanced compared to American news, it's rivalled only by Al Jazeera.

Everyone has a bias, including those who make a valid effort to suppress their own biases in reporting. To forget that opens you up for the effects of propoganda as well as accidental influences.

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Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:48:06 PM

Did you forget what site you're on? If you think Bitcoins can be regulated, let me know how.

Bitcoins are not an economy. At best, they're a financial instrument. An economy is a much greater thing, which includes agents, instruments, resources, and waste, and often exists within a closed system.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 10:46:04 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:36:26 PM

Then excuse my language, but what in the hell are you doing in an economy that cannot be regulated?

Clarify, please.

Did you forget what site you're on? If you think Bitcoins can be regulated, let me know how.

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Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:36:26 PM

Then excuse my language, but what in the hell are you doing in an economy that cannot be regulated?

Clarify, please.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 10:32:24 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:28:30 PM

Say what now?

Sorry. I just keep hearing how economies run amok are so great around here. Problem is, they aren't really forward thinking, amd there are cancerous elements in them which harm the system. In medicine, external influences are applied to restrain these cancerous cells.

Then excuse my language, but what in the hell are you doing in an economy that cannot be regulated?

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Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:28:30 PM

Say what now?

Sorry. I just keep hearing how economies run amok are so great around here. Problem is, they aren't really forward thinking, amd there are cancerous elements in them which harm the system. In medicine, external influences are applied to restrain these cancerous cells.

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Quote from: ascent on July 06, 2011, 10:25:04 PM

Quote from: myrkul on July 06, 2011, 10:21:18 PM

The individual is the economy. the Market is the sum of all voluntary human actions.

Kind of like cancer cells, then?

Say what now?

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