Medical student wins lottery 5 times after embezzling graduation funds

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 29, 2023, 04:05:11 PM

Quote from: uneng on January 27, 2023, 02:44:50 PM

A brazilian medicine college student diverted almost 200.000$ from the graduation comission's funds, which belonged to her whole class, to place high bets through the national lottery.

She won sometimes on short run, but after all, faced a huge loss and went into almost 40.000$ debt. After scamming the lottery, the police department was triggered and the investigation has started.

She was investigated for money laundering and embezzlement. Later on, it was discovered the funds' origin.

Meanwhile, the class students became suspicious about the situation after the woman told on her class Whatsapp's group funds raised for graduation were lost after she invested it in a brokerage firm and was scammed by it, but no further documents and evidences could be provided, because everything was robbed!

Since then, no more updates about the case have been shared on the news. It happened about 2 weeks ago.

Medical student wins lottery 5 times after embezzling graduation funds

Is this news from the village of fools? Grin

200 thousand dollars is a serious amount, was there really no control over it? Also, if their class consisted of 30 students, does each of them contribute $6,500? Maybe I didn’t understand something, but isn’t this a huge amount for such an event?

Yes, that’s also my concern because the amount mentioned is such a lot. You can already build a mansion here in our country using that amount. But if it’s really true, then why the hell that huge amount is only entrusted to a single person? There could be something wrong in here, but whatever it is, that student should have lost her proper thinking and have gone it all in gambling. That’s the effect of severe addiction, everything you do is already out of your control.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 30, 2023, 04:41:36 PM

Quote from: Issa56 on January 29, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

Quote from: capedbaldy on January 28, 2023, 06:32:16 PM

he has been heavily addicted to gambling because he should only chase victory and leave gambling.

She is definitely addicted to gambling, I don't think someone that's not addicted to gambling will gamble with the money that's not his/her own, I don't think their is any assurance that you are going to win when gambling, when gambling the chances of winning and losing is just 50/50, so why will you use the money that's not your own to do what you are not assured of win. Definitely she have being doing it before and probably she have been winning but she is not lucky this time around. She have to be forced to pay back the money so that she can learn her lesson.

Maybe you have a point too. She might be doing this even before but it’s only now that she has been caught because of severe gambling addiction. My worries is on her classmates because now that their funds are lost, then how they will cope up with their upcoming graduation? I just hope the parents of this student involved in gambling will also make an action on how to resolve the problem because whatever their daughter has done, it will always affect them.

Totally under your responsibility unless if she's married but if not then she would be always under you and also even if they arent been able to told so which it would really be that initiative for the parents on trying out to

face on what their daughter had committed which i could say that this isnt something a small amount to deal with.If she do have a wealthy family then money issues wont really be that much a problem
but if not then this is where huge argumentation and discussion would happen on how they would be paying up.

As for the admin or faculty then graduation isnt something that could be delayed.Parents would be still trying out to contribute again about on what are those fees and other
payments as long their child would be able to graduate.Things would be dealt up later.

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Quote from: Issa56 on January 29, 2023, 01:43:22 AM

Quote from: capedbaldy on January 28, 2023, 06:32:16 PM

he has been heavily addicted to gambling because he should only chase victory and leave gambling.

She is definitely addicted to gambling, I don't think someone that's not addicted to gambling will gamble with the money that's not his/her own, I don't think their is any assurance that you are going to win when gambling, when gambling the chances of winning and losing is just 50/50, so why will you use the money that's not your own to do what you are not assured of win. Definitely she have being doing it before and probably she have been winning but she is not lucky this time around. She have to be forced to pay back the money so that she can learn her lesson.

Maybe you have a point too. She might be doing this even before but it’s only now that she has been caught because of severe gambling addiction. My worries is on her classmates because now that their funds are lost, then how they will cope up with their upcoming graduation? I just hope the parents of this student involved in gambling will also make an action on how to resolve the problem because whatever their daughter has done, it will always affect them.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 30, 2023, 12:55:54 AM

This type of thing are more common than most people think. Many people steal money and then they try to gamble and win big, so that they can pay it back and just take the profit. Even if they succeed in doing that, it is still illegal.... so if it was found out... they could still be prosecuted.

In the majority of these cases, people might win a little bit of money... but most of them lose more than what they are stealing... and then it grows bigger and bigger, because they do not stop trying. Shocked

That's why a single person, especially a student, should not be trusted with that much money.

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the woman had access to approximately R$ 920,000, which would be used to pay for the graduation at the end of this year.

Why wasn't there a second person with access to the account? Why wasn't there a rule that the account has to be accessed by both owners for the money to be moved. There are shared accounts where you need 2 people to agree on each transfer. You can slso set a minimum and maximum withdrawal with or without a notification to other owners of the account.

Sho was stealing the money for weeks if not months by moving it to her personal account and nobody even noticed.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on January 30, 2023, 09:47:27 AM

My first impression about this is that she transferred the money to her personal account, which is very transparent and easy to track. What I mean is that something triggered her to use that money, which was her addiction to the lottery or gambling. Imagine she just transferred it to her personal account and then bet a huge amount, so her purpose really is to use it for the lottery and not on other things. For sure, she is addicted, has lost her money, and is trying to get back her losses. She wins, but again, she loses.

Well, I am not sure how bank accounts work there in your country but here where I live, people cannot know how much money other people have or the history of transactions of others, so in my opinion it would have not been a transparency solution.

if there was a way for people to track the way she used those funds, perhaps they could have known soon enough for her not to spend it all gambling.

A pity probably those people don't have idea what a multy signature wallet is.

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Quote from: macson on January 30, 2023, 12:22:34 AM

this is a pretty crazy story that i've read, how can he be trusted to handle other students' funds which are quite large, does no one know the history of the student's gambling activity?

Victims must keep pushing to keep this case up because letting her get away with it will only make her happy and will definitely repeat such fraudulent activities in the future. Gambling or placing bets/lottery with other people's money is the stupidest thing that greedy gamblers do.

In the article that the OP linked in this thread, it doesn't tell in detail how students can be trusted to manage graduation funds. at least, we have an idea that this student has a pretty good track record in his medical school. thus, he can have the trust of his friends to collect graduation funds.

Unfortunately, this student was trapped in his excessive activity regarding lottery betting. although, he has won the lottery 5 times. fatally, the money he used to bet the lottery was the money he collected for graduation funds later. which in the end, this student was charged with allegedly embezzling the funds. although there are no further developments, at least this case has developed at the stage of investigation by the authorities. but in truth, the essence conveyed in this thread is addiction. how addiction has eliminated the student's rational way of thinking, so that it has an impact on things that are detrimental to other people.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on January 28, 2023, 11:04:07 AM

How can someone ends up in debt after winning 5 times the lottery?, that was some kind of bruteforce gambling.

Too bad she was using the graduation money, for sure wasn't easy for the students to get that money and was easy for her to gamble those funds, she should go to jail for those actions, it's called karma. And even if she goes to jail the students will not recover that money at all.

That means she’s totally addicted to lottery that she even use the graduation funds to fulfill her desire in gambling. Well, that is an advantage to her because she’s probably the class treasurer but using them for betting, that action really deserves a punishment. And if the school will strictly follow its policy, she might be even banned from school and might not even included in the graduation ceremony. Her parents might not be solely blamed for this but they should be accountable of their daughter’s actions.

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on January 30, 2023, 09:43:23 AM

Quote from: macson on January 30, 2023, 12:22:34 AM

this is a pretty crazy story that i've read, how can he be trusted to handle other students' funds which are quite large, does no one know the history of the student's gambling activity?

I think the other students doesn't know if she has a gambling addiction since a girl most likely not a gambler or she has been given a duty to hold small amount money and there's no problem until the big one like this.

I feel bad for the school, I think they will be the one who recover the loss and all the teachers need to donate until the graduation funds are enough. This is why student shouldn't hold big amount money, just ask the administration staff to hold it.

There'll be no donation to happen to people who are not really involved such as the teachers, The student's parents would be liable for what their child did, especially if the child has no source of income. Unfortunately, that is the consequence for the parents from allowing their child to play or even be exposed to such activity. Maybe it is lack of guidance or peer influence. Am I blaming the parents?not really but all i know is that one's home would play a huge factor to a child's behavior. If the bad behavior won't be contained, then expect for worse case to happen in the future; it might not be school funds to be used in gambling, think of anything which could be, in order to save everyone's worry.

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One of the books in the Holy Bible says, A good name [earned by honorable behavior, godly wisdom, moral courage, and personal integrity] is more desirable than great riches. Gambling addiction has made most people lose their reputation. And once lost, it is hard to pick up. And it is sad that most of these addicts hide their addiction from the public. People who are addicted to gambling shouldn't be allowed to hold money.

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My first impression about this is that she transferred the money to her personal account, which is very transparent and easy to track. What I mean is that something triggered her to use that money, which was her addiction to the lottery or gambling. Imagine she just transferred it to her personal account and then bet a huge amount, so her purpose really is to use it for the lottery and not on other things. For sure, she is addicted, has lost her money, and is trying to get back her losses. She wins, but again, she loses.

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Quote from: macson on January 30, 2023, 12:22:34 AM

this is a pretty crazy story that i've read, how can he be trusted to handle other students' funds which are quite large, does no one know the history of the student's gambling activity?

I think the other students doesn't know if she has a gambling addiction since a girl most likely not a gambler or she has been given a duty to hold small amount money and there's no problem until the big one like this.

I feel bad for the school, I think they will be the one who recover the loss and all the teachers need to donate until the graduation funds are enough. This is why student shouldn't hold big amount money, just ask the administration staff to hold it.

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Quote from: uneng on January 27, 2023, 02:44:50 PM

A brazilian medicine college student diverted almost 200.000$ from the graduation comission's funds, which belonged to her whole class, to place high bets through the national lottery.

She won sometimes on short run, but after all, faced a huge loss and went into almost 40.000$ debt. After scamming the lottery, the police department was triggered and the investigation has started.

She was investigated for money laundering and embezzlement. Later on, it was discovered the funds' origin.

Meanwhile, the class students became suspicious about the situation after the woman told on her class Whatsapp's group funds raised for graduation were lost after she invested it in a brokerage firm and was scammed by it, but no further documents and evidences could be provided, because everything was robbed!

Since then, no more updates about the case have been shared on the news. It happened about 2 weeks ago.

Medical student wins lottery 5 times after embezzling graduation funds

It's not really a good idea to spend the money isn't yours to begin with. Doing that is just plain disrespect and betrayal to those people who trusted you their money. It's an act of stealing which shouldn't be tolerated. It's just so saddening that the student didn't uphold her values and principles to serve as her moral compass. Acting upon our selfish urges will do us no good. It will just bring troubles and headache. It seems that the student lack discipline and display behaviors of a person addicted which is willing to do and risk anything despite its consequences.

I feel sorry to those student who were robbed if ever the girl won't pay back what she had stolen and used in gambling. It's no joke to earn money nowadays so for sure it'll be hard for them to accept what just happened. Hopefully, next time they will pick the right person to have the authority to handle their class funds.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 30, 2023, 12:55:54 AM

This type of thing are more common than most people think. Many people steal money and then they try to gamble and win big, so that they can pay it back and just take the profit. Even if they succeed in doing that, it is still illegal.... so if it was found out... they could still be prosecuted.

In the majority of these cases, people might win a little bit of money... but most of them lose more than what they are stealing... and then it grows bigger and bigger, because they do not stop trying. Shocked

Unfortunately for the woman, she was caught red-handed and does not do well in lying. If she had any talent in lying, then perhaps she would have shrugged all of these accusations and she will be able to continue what she's doing. She never had the slightest idea about backup plans and it shows. What I don't understand is how these kinds of people are impatient about getting their own money and spending it on their own purposes. They can always wait and gamble guilt-free but I guess some people like being challenged for whatever reason.

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A person who gambles money that ain't his/her is not in the right mind anymore unless the owner of the money gave the permission to do so.
In this case, it is not, the money is for something else, so gambling addiction will be the first thing to assume.
The details seem to be lacking in the article or that's all they got from the interview but it seems like the suspect is lying about investing the fund to the Sentinel bank which was later said was scammed. Then, when the students and police are asking for paperwork, she said it was robbed. Sounds guilty for confusing statements.
I think the one proof they can get is from the lottery outlet where the suspect is making the bets daily, although didn't pay in the end.
I don't know how that worked though, because I thought before you get a lottery ticket you must pay first.

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This type of thing are more common than most people think. Many people steal money and then they try to gamble and win big, so that they can pay it back and just take the profit. Even if they succeed in doing that, it is still illegal.... so if it was found out... they could still be prosecuted.

In the majority of these cases, people might win a little bit of money... but most of them lose more than what they are stealing... and then it grows bigger and bigger, because they do not stop trying. Shocked

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Quote from: uneng on January 27, 2023, 02:44:50 PM

A brazilian medicine college student diverted almost 200.000$ from the graduation comission's funds, which belonged to her whole class, to place high bets through the national lottery.

She won sometimes on short run, but after all, faced a huge loss and went into almost 40.000$ debt. After scamming the lottery, the police department was triggered and the investigation has started.

She was investigated for money laundering and embezzlement. Later on, it was discovered the funds' origin.

Meanwhile, the class students became suspicious about the situation after the woman told on her class Whatsapp's group funds raised for graduation were lost after she invested it in a brokerage firm and was scammed by it, but no further documents and evidences could be provided, because everything was robbed!

Since then, no more updates about the case have been shared on the news. It happened about 2 weeks ago.

Medical student wins lottery 5 times after embezzling graduation funds

this is a pretty crazy story that i've read, how can he be trusted to handle other students' funds which are quite large, does no one know the history of the student's gambling activity?

Victims must keep pushing to keep this case up because letting her get away with it will only make her happy and will definitely repeat such fraudulent activities in the future. Gambling or placing bets/lottery with other people's money is the stupidest thing that greedy gamblers do.

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Quote from: maydna on January 29, 2023, 05:07:53 PM

We see one more case of people using other people's money just for gambling, which may be another case of gambling addiction. She should be able to keep the money and not be tempted to use it for gambling. She really needs to get help to overcome her gambling problem and not let her do it again in the future. But at least she should get punished for what she did so he doesn't repeat it in the future. If it were her own money, maybe that would be fine, but the problem was she was using many people's money and had to be accountable to all of them as well.

Myself too had this experience. He send me 3 Ethereum to cashout and I used it to gamble. I was able to win 0.5 Ethereum. The greed didn't left me, and I wanted to change it to 1 Ethereum as profit. Even the 1 Ethereum profit is being achieved and the greed continued. This made me loss everything and I borrowed money to settle my friend. This activity is really bad and later only I understood what wrong thing I've done.

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We see one more case of people using other people's money just for gambling, which may be another case of gambling addiction. She should be able to keep the money and not be tempted to use it for gambling. She really needs to get help to overcome her gambling problem and not let her do it again in the future. But at least she should get punished for what she did so he doesn't repeat it in the future. If it were her own money, maybe that would be fine, but the problem was she was using many people's money and had to be accountable to all of them as well.

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Quote from: pawanjain on January 29, 2023, 07:29:49 AM

Exactly. She doesn't deserve to get a medical degree. Her nature speaks about herself.
Such a doctor could have a dangerous impact on other people's lives.

I agree whether that person will become a nurse or a doctor or any other allied medical profession in the future. The danger is there and the mindset and decision-making will affect future patients and that's why I agree that she should just be banned from taking any licensure exam in the medicine field.
Yeah, there's the 2nd chance but the profession that she's trying to take is all about someone's life and taking care of it and with known addiction in gambling, there could be something else.

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Quote from: Viscore on January 29, 2023, 04:39:25 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 27, 2023, 03:09:50 PM

If she's old enough which I believe she is, then nothing should stop her from going to jail, she's a criminal and should be treated as one, if it was her money or maybe her school fees she's lost through gambling, then I believe this wouldn't be a case at all, but gambling with public funds is way too extreme and one that must not be swept under the carpet, she should be made to serve as an example to those who might want to try the same thing in the future and hope to get away with it.
200,000 dollars is no small amount of money, and I can't imagine how many of the parents who went through hell to make sure they get this money to pay for their ward, this is an act that shouldnt be encouraged In our society.
I really feel sorry for the school and the students, this would probably be the worst graduation ceremony that school will have in their record, I hope they get through it..

Maybe she’s mature enough seeing how far she have got embezzling all those funds all for her selfish desires. That student must probably be facing gambling addiction and she can’t control anymore her actions and decisions that made this whole mess up. I felt sorry for all her colleagues that they went through all of this because of an irresponsible student. If she can’t be put in jail, then she should be given proper sanction that will leave her a very big lesson not to do the same mistake again.

Definitely, she needs a punishment here to learn from her mistakes.
But some people won't change if it is already embedded to their system.
However, a heavy penalty such as going to jail may give her some time to think about her life.
Addiction would really give you trouble if you are not using your own money, and can ruin other people's lives.
If the sentence will be light, she may just go on with her gambling habits.

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