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copper member
Activity: 322
Merit: 21
bc1qvq66kccea2fdqft6kss2zyn8y32z8xyy9rzhp0
January 10, 2024, 11:59:47 AM
     
  • fastestFee: 50 sat/vB
  • halfHourFee: 43 sat/vB
  • hourFee: 38 sat/vB
  • economyFee: 38 sat/vB
  • minimumFee: 24 sat/vB
hero member
Activity: 462
Merit: 767
Instant cryptocurrency exchange with own reserves!
January 10, 2024, 10:51:52 AM
Thanks to @Learn Bitcoin who made the donation, now @FeeBuddy has a Copper Membership!!

I will set everything up to post the images in a few days, using talkimg.

I will see if I can improve the image with some kind of chart too! Like ChartBuddy

I am glad that I was able to be a minor part of a great start.
Everyone could help with their extra ordinary coding skills and other knowledge but I don't have something like that. So, there is a less chance for people like me to be a part of a historical start. I am very much happy that I was able to help. I hope FeeBuddy will continue to stay around and update us Smiley

Cheers!
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 6089
bitcoindata.science
January 10, 2024, 10:45:24 AM
All the best my friend.
I'm still impressed with how far you've gone with development, all from the starting point.
I'm glad I helped you with the server Wink

Thank you! I am enjoying my new hobby, learning  a lot about web development  while participating in the forum!



Thanks to @Learn Bitcoin who made the donation, now @FeeBuddy has a Copper Membership!!

I will set everything up to post the images in a few days, using talkimg.

I will see if I can improve the image with some kind of chart too! Like ChartBuddy
legendary
Activity: 3472
Merit: 3507
Crypto Swap Exchange
January 10, 2024, 10:36:26 AM
     
  • fastestFee: 46 sat/vB
  • halfHourFee: 39 sat/vB
  • hourFee: 35 sat/vB
  • economyFee: 35 sat/vB
  • minimumFee: 24 sat/vB

Everything is now set!

Cron job is working, and it will post every 6 hours, the first post will be soon.

Thanks for @examplens for the help with the shared server!!

All the best my friend.
I'm still impressed with how far you've gone with development, all from the starting point.
I'm glad I helped you with the server Wink
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 6089
bitcoindata.science
January 10, 2024, 09:47:21 AM
     
  • fastestFee: 46 sat/vB
  • halfHourFee: 39 sat/vB
  • hourFee: 35 sat/vB
  • economyFee: 35 sat/vB
  • minimumFee: 24 sat/vB

Everything is now set!

Cron job is working, and it will post every 6 hours, the first post will be soon.

Thanks for @examplens for the help with the shared server!!
copper member
Activity: 322
Merit: 21
bc1qvq66kccea2fdqft6kss2zyn8y32z8xyy9rzhp0
January 09, 2024, 04:27:33 PM
     
  • fastestFee: 46 sat/vB
  • halfHourFee: 39 sat/vB
  • hourFee: 35 sat/vB
  • economyFee: 35 sat/vB
  • minimumFee: 24 sat/vB
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 6089
bitcoindata.science
January 08, 2024, 09:00:01 AM
Code is ready, however I am fixing some issues on the server side to set up the cron job! I think it will be working soon!

Specifically, what will your bot do?

I'll admit, I don't want to read the +50 previous posts.  Cool

It will post the fees every 6 hours (or less if needeed). Similar to chart buddy.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 4711
**In BTC since 2013**
January 08, 2024, 08:52:23 AM
Code is ready, however I am fixing some issues on the server side to set up the cron job! I think it will be working soon!

Specifically, what will your bot do?

I'll admit, I don't want to read the +50 previous posts.  Cool
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 6089
bitcoindata.science
January 08, 2024, 07:03:57 AM
  • fastestFee: 32
  • halfHourFee: 32
  • hourFee: 32
  • economyFee: 32
  • minimumFee: 24 sat/vB

Hello guys.

I made this temporary string post while FeeBuddy  is a newbie and doesn't have the required rank to post  images or a Copper membership.

Code is ready, however I am fixing some issues on the server side to set up the cron job! I think it will be working soon!
copper member
Activity: 322
Merit: 21
bc1qvq66kccea2fdqft6kss2zyn8y32z8xyy9rzhp0
January 08, 2024, 07:01:26 AM
  • fastestFee: 32
  • halfHourFee: 32
  • hourFee: 32
  • economyFee: 32
  • minimumFee: 24 sat/vB
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1823
January 08, 2024, 03:17:34 AM
They are organizing conferences behind BRC-20, and that picture shows that the room is full of investors who come from a wide demographic. It's not merely "crypto-bros", but there's men, women, old, young, fat, thin. ANYONE in China who has money to invest, will invest in BRC-20.

I believe that picture was taken months ago, last year. Therefore if a BRC-20 conference was announced today, it would attract a lot more people.

You know that Chinese people were one of the first to fall for the OneCoin scam, right? And it wasn't even called that back then, this was way back over 10 years ago when it was still "BigCoin".

A lot of people in China live in severe poverty so any, and I repeat, any beacon of hope that might make them rich and prosperous is something they cling on to fast.

I still do not expect Ordinals to last for a long time, but it will crash like NFTs. (and we will have James Jani probably make another video documentary about that - crazy how people have not learned their lessons with NFTs).


I believe if it stays on-chain, Ordinals as a "protocol" for inscribing NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain will stay with us for a long time. It will "die", then "come back" again, "die", then "come back" again, with the best collections valued highly by a community of collectors of digital artifacts.

But BRC-20, not for a very long time when its users/developers see its inefficiencies if compared to token issuance and trading in other blockchains like Ethereum and its alternatives.
legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 8114
January 08, 2024, 12:15:35 AM
I still do not expect Ordinals to last for a long time, but it will crash like NFTs. (and we will have James Jani probably make another video documentary about that - crazy how people have not learned their lessons with NFTs).

NFTs are the new altcoin, which are the new bitcoin... A lot of people still believe bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. But the truth is, the situation is a lot more complex than that, for all 3 entities.

A lot (the vast majority) of NFTs are produced for the sole purpose of making their creator money -- no doubt about that. Same thing with altcoins. Yet there are still some NFTs that have real-world utility, just like with altcoins... even if that utility is just being a collectible.

I've been going on about it for close to 2 years here now: there is a legitimate demand for some NFTs as collector's items. There are also flippers looking to sell them to other flippers and collectors at a higher price than which they bought them. This is true in every area of collectibles.

Like Bitcoin did for money, NFTs are an attempt to recreate a physical good in the digital realm. They are ownable, transferrable, and often immutable (though not always).

A lot of it is very silly with valuations driven purely by well-oiled hype machines. But sometimes they are just endearing to collectors, who want to own one simply because it makes them feel good to know that its in their wallet.

Case in point, I'm about to make a trade for one of these Bitcoin NFTs... Its my second and I have no plans to sell one, I just like knowing that I'll have 2 of them:



Is it silly and stupid? Perhaps to a lot of people. But the point is, there is a legit market for a lot of this stuff, driven by legit demand from collectors. These collectors could care less what the non-believers think. As Bitcoin grows more popular, so will the collector base for such items (including at least some Ordinals).
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
January 07, 2024, 11:08:18 PM
They are organizing conferences behind BRC-20, and that picture shows that the room is full of investors who come from a wide demographic.

You know that Chinese people were one of the first to fall for the OneCoin scam, right?

BBIIITTCONNEECCCTTTT
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 6660
bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
January 07, 2024, 10:33:04 PM
They are organizing conferences behind BRC-20, and that picture shows that the room is full of investors who come from a wide demographic. It's not merely "crypto-bros", but there's men, women, old, young, fat, thin. ANYONE in China who has money to invest, will invest in BRC-20.

I believe that picture was taken months ago, last year. Therefore if a BRC-20 conference was announced today, it would attract a lot more people.

You know that Chinese people were one of the first to fall for the OneCoin scam, right? And it wasn't even called that back then, this was way back over 10 years ago when it was still "BigCoin".

A lot of people in China live in severe poverty so any, and I repeat, any beacon of hope that might make them rich and prosperous is something they cling on to fast.

I still do not expect Ordinals to last for a long time, but it will crash like NFTs. (and we will have James Jani probably make another video documentary about that - crazy how people have not learned their lessons with NFTs).
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
January 07, 2024, 08:20:32 PM
remember images can be messed with/host lost etc

you may want to also api a ascii result that a daily bot can include as text in posts aswell as image format
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 6089
bitcoindata.science
January 07, 2024, 11:33:39 AM
250k transactions in the fee range 1-30 to be confirmed.

It will take some time to confirm all those transactions, even when Ordinals drama stop.


https://mempool.space/mempool-block/7
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4766
January 07, 2024, 10:41:18 AM
I noticed the same thing. Right now on electrum, The fee is going from 1 to 2, 2 to 5, 5 to 10, 10 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, 70 to 100 sats... If I remember right, It used to be 1 to 2, 2 to 3 and so on. It feels like they did intentionally to increase the fees even more.

There is  huge difference between 30 sats/b and 50 sats/b fee. Why can't I fine tune it?

This is becoming ridiculous.

ofcourse they are. there are many many github conversations where they admit they do it on purpose sayingcrap like
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At a minimum, the new fee rate must be high enough to pay an additional new relay fee (5 sats/vB) to enter the node's mempool."

because the wallet uses WALLET_INCREMENTAL_RELAY_FEE which is 5 sats/vB by default.
and reason it as
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Bumping by exactly DEFAULT_INCREMENTAL_RELAY_FEE might then cause the bumped transaction to not get relayed.

it would be very annoying to have to bump 20 times to increment by 20 sat/vbyte.[/b]
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The 5s/vb minimum fee bump requirement, introduced in PR #9615, is primarily for GUI users who couldn't specify their desired fee rates. For these users, bumping 10 times to move from 1sat/vb to 11 sat/vb may be undesirable.

they literally say they increased it from 1sat/vb to 5sat/vb to be "less annoying" "desirable" pfft (opposite occured)

end result people using GUI (softwares graphical user interface) they are defaulted to paying more to get priority in higher increments

many other wallets use other numbers.
many devs think fees should not go below a certain level again, so no point counting in single sats/vb
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1823
January 07, 2024, 10:05:23 AM
Well, seems like the Kramer effect was more serious on the mempool than on the price, at first glance I though Viabtc mined two consecutive blocks but no,



Seems like the fees are back under 50sat/b, not great not terrible!
Of course it's still almost like holiday in the most of the world, it's barely 4 am in Europe so by tomorrow evening they might grow again but still the huge wall of fees is decreasing, from record high of 240Mvb till 10 sat/vb we're down to 185Mvb, although there are still incoming transactions seems like nobody is that eager to pay over 100sat/vb for a tx.


Right now we have  257,293 Tx unconfirmed at the moment. And the fee is also decreasing.  Getting 50 Sat/vbyte is much better than getting 200+sat/vbyte. Also if the ETF is not approved today on friday, then we can have even lower fees during this weekend. However if ETF is approved, then mem pool can again become congested due to lot of transactions.





Although it's good to finally see the fees start going down, don't expect it to stay low that long because in China,



 Shocked

They are organizing conferences behind BRC-20, and that picture shows that the room is full of investors who come from a wide demographic. It's not merely "crypto-bros", but there's men, women, old, young, fat, thin. ANYONE in China who has money to invest, will invest in BRC-20.

I believe that picture was taken months ago, last year. Therefore if a BRC-20 conference was announced today, it would attract a lot more people.
legendary
Activity: 3276
Merit: 2442
January 07, 2024, 10:01:00 AM
No, they're not dumb, they're most likely bad actors trying to raise fees permanently. Wink

Jokes aside, I didn't find any logical reason to increase the fee more and more when the recommended fee is way lower than what they have spent.

in january 2023 core changed its 'bump fee' default from 1s/vb to 5sat/vb for both GUI transacting default and RPC transacting default
they then in summer changed code whereby (not in GUI) in RPC if a user manually chooses a fee, then it ignores the bump fee default

meaning less techy users are pushed to pay more because the gui defaults to bump fees in higher increments than 1sat/vb, or 100sat/kb(0.1sat)
where as those that know how to rpc transact get more freedom to not pay as much

many alternative wallets also messed with their fee estimation defaults too

this is where you see some replacements bumped by 5s/vb increments (core gui created tx)
this is where you see some replacements bumped by 2s/vb increments (not-core gui created)
this is where you see some replacements bumped by many s/vb increments

for instance

both of the replacements were not done via cores gui interface
because both transactions were not replaced by rounded 5sat increment
eg the second tx would have been 1035 or 1040 not 1039

I noticed the same thing. Right now on electrum, The fee is going from 1 to 2, 2 to 5, 5 to 10, 10 to 20, 20 to 30, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, 70 to 100 sats... If I remember right, It used to be 1 to 2, 2 to 3 and so on. It feels like they did intentionally to increase the fees even more.

There is  huge difference between 30 sats/b and 50 sats/b fee. Why can't I fine tune it?

This is becoming ridiculous.
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 6660
bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
January 07, 2024, 03:38:20 AM
Edit: FeeBuddy just need to level up a bit so he can post images. 30 activity for Jr Member (30 days), right? We can quote him while we wait lol

That's 30 posts and 1 merit. But that won't be a problem.
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