Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 176. (Read 167726 times)

Or they get banned?? Much better idea if you ask me

Proposal, the negative trust members or at least the traded accounts to receive less sMerit due to a high risk of trading sMerit.

So instead of 0.5 sMerit for 1 merit point, let it be 0.25.

The last few cases indicates that some of the useless high rank accounts for bounties are used for merit trading.

Not that it’s relevant, but what are you talking about?  All the posts I quoted and archived were made within about the past 36 hours.  Again, not that that’s relevant.

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This posts-from-the-past-scavenging thing is getting a bit out of control after the introduction of The System.

@nascrypto, you did not mention in your posts here that you have you have multiple negative trust feedback for merit begging, e.g.:


Red colour is here added.  In the post as it appears now, that text is crossed out; in the post as archived by me at 2018-02-21 06:16:51Z, it is not crossed out.  (It is good you did not try to delete it; though I infer a likelihood you knew it was archived.)

2018-02-20 08:44:43Z: Archived from the thread titled, “Re: 🌎 [AIRDROP] [ICO] ConnectJob - The Uber of Services 🌎”:

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Quote from: nascrypto on February 21, 2018, 06:33:14 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on February 20, 2018, 01:03:08 AM

Quote from: nascrypto on February 20, 2018, 12:55:10 AM

But, at the same time, the seniors can encourage us with some free merits .

No.  

You go ahead and do whatever soul-uplifting research you need to do, and whenever you start writing something worth reading, then you might earn some merits.  I don't hand them out to spam monkeys for free.  Do you feed your neighborhood skunks?  

Didn't think so.

Understood.... I just corrected my comment. I didn't beg for merit. My intention was that the seniors can be a bit generous with the newbie and encourage them with their initial posts.

Your following posts consist of another post in this thread saying similarly (archived), and then another application for an airdrop (archived).

A question for you, based on reasonable inferences:  Between 06:16:51Z and 08:44:43Z today (2018-02-21), did you receive any sort of denial of eligibility for an airdrop bounty campaign (or other adverse consequence) due to having negative (red) trust?

That is a very important question.

This matter is off-topic here.  Although I do think my posting the foregoing here is a salutary instruction to others who might ask for “some free merits ”, I will not substantially discuss this further in this thread.  Should there be anything further to discuss, then I will create a thread in Reputation.

Thanks for your support and clarification. That's partially what I wanted to say in my post. I never begged for merit. If my post/comment contains no value why should one even waste their time reading that? I just asked seniors to be a bit generous with the newbie and encourage them with their initial posts. Might be using the term merit in the last line confused some people.

Understood.... I just corrected my comment. I didn't beg for merit. My intention was that the seniors can be a bit generous with the newbie and encourage them with their initial posts.

I don't care about the bounty campaigns anyway, as I don't want to participate in them. I'm here to discuss about cryptocurrency. I just wanted to point out, that the merit system does not only benefit "the right and worthy persons" but currently it mainly favors the old accounts. This does not necessarily match  
Maybe in some months/years, also the "right and worthy" persons benefit directly from the Merit-system. Only time will tell 

Look man, i envy them too, but what is the function of whining and pointing out they have upperhand because past system? It wont make our accounts rank up instantly, it wont make the merit system erased, it wont make us any richer. It is better to give your energy to earn merit mate. And to point out, you are not even here when this forum didnt have campaign to pay for their user, while some of the old members do.
And for your info, there are worse people who can earn money from this forum, the alt-account, because not only they get a lot of money, they block the chance of others to earn money.

You mean the persons who joined the forum earlier and therefor had the chance to rank up by spamming 

Because it is subjective, highly based on personal point of view, it is hard to make a standard for what we call "quality Post". We cant force someone to follow a standard about quality post i guess.

I guess "like" system like social media cant be implemented to this merit system, because people will abuse it for sure. There are so many people with alt accounts here and to make a new account is not that hard, so i guess this system is not good.

Well, everyone is not prohibited to earn money from signature or anything else in this forum, as far as i know. Merit just make sure that the money is going to the "right and worthy" person.

The probability of me getting a girlfriend is much higher than me getting merits here in the forum lol.

I agree and supports the idea that spammers are to be filtered out in this forum and hoping to see a better community but don't you guys think that we should have a level (criteria) of how much merit you can give to users depending on how informative it was not just how much they feel like giving to.

Like for example, decent and on-topic posts gets 0.5-1 merit, while those informative ones receive 1-5 merit depending on how informative/constructive it was. 50 if it was a well-written thread or something like that.

Or that the posts have something like a like button that if the post 4 likes it will automatically receive 1 merit. This can also be monitored if users are taking advantage of it because it's easy to check who likes who per post. so user liking their posts using alt accounts can also be determined.

I will be lying if I say that I'm only here for is to become educated in crypto/bitcoin/blockchain with the benefit of knowing the opinions of other people across the globe. I also want to would want to have the opportunity to join signature campaigns too just like everyone else in this forum.

There is no way to delete this. When sending merits, a new page opens up. Thus, you cannot give a member merit by mistake.

Follow up to what has Jannn said, you can merit a post by sending a Smerit. But for you to get a Smerit to send users for their posts, you need to have someone to send you a merit first by making quality/informative/constructive posts.

I had read in one of the merit threads (perhaps this one) that your "+merit" link (or button on the top of each post) to be able to send merit to someone else does not appear unless you have at least one sendable merit in your bank. 

So, for you, you need to earn two merits to then have acquired one smerit to be able to send, and then your button/link will appear, and the rest should be fairly straight forward.

Are you referring to Attack On Titan? hehe.

Look mate, merit doesnt stop this things directly :
1. spamming, there are still many spammers in the forum
2. newcomer, you can find many newbie with 0-14 activity in any board
3. alt-accounts, its hard to prove someone alt-accounts tho
The spamming still occurs, there are newcomers, and there are users with alt-accounts. Most of all users like this are here for the money, merit just stop them from ranking up which is a big deal for them who wants money from this forum. So if they want to earn money, they need to level up their game and earn merits which is hard for the spammer as they dont learn much about cryptocurrency and bitcoin, hard for the newcomer who only wants easy money, hard for alt-account users to maintain such a high level posting in many accounts. So later on, they will make a change to themself which can reduce the spamming and shitposting activity. I guess one other reason why theymos made this system is to make sure only worthy people can earn the money from this forum.

the usual requests are often done to be easier and faster, but it does not educate actually if I can try to get there happiness myself, I agree with madwica that there is no benefit that will get there for that.
let's get to try to get it right.

You can merit a post by sending a Smerit
Sending Smerit (sendeable merit) to someone post will not deduct your current merit but it will deduct to your Smerit.

Merit can be sent to someone else ? how does this work ?

Just to respond publicly...

Yeah, I'm not really a professional Bitcoin Talk poster and so I had not read all those rule before. That's a lot of rules, I hope my reply here is not seen as breaking them. However, the data list you provided is not what I mean by "stats." In general, statistics are used to summarize numerical data. But I appreciate that tracking list. I couldn't find it on my own. What I would really like to are summary data such as:

The percentage of accounts with sMerit that have sent sMerit.
The percentage of accounts that have received sMerit that had less than 100 Merit (in other words, the more likely situation where quality, not friendship or duplicate accounts was the reason sMerit moved).
The quantity of new account creation rolling 12 month average (as of December 2017 compared to today's rolling 12).
The quantity of new account posts rolling 12 month average (as of December 2017 compared to today's rolling 12).

Those are the types of numbers I would personally find more helpful in forming my own opinion regrading the effectiveness of this intervention.

Again, I personally agree change was needed - but this feels more like a dome was put over the city to protect us from the sun, but now there are two worlds - those living in the dome, and those living outside of the dome.

I worked on a location once where a huge fence went up around it. They created a deer problem because of the deer they trapped inside the fence. The merit change not only prevents spammer from flooding the forum (good job on that), but also trapped the deer inside the fence (not a great problem to have). The spammers now how a lot of sMerit and new users are discouraged from posting.