Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 213. (Read 167726 times)

Hello, can you be more spesific on what matters do you want people to help you?

please anyone can help me ?

You are misinformed.  Any account can give negative trust.

Hello Admins,

Although for a relatively new user like myself the implementation of the Merit system is a bit of a problem. Not because I dont agree with it, because it does make sense, but it makes it harder to rank up.
Yes, I do participate in bounty campaigns like most people here. But not just the regular social media/signature campaigns. I am a translator in my spare time and offer my services to ICOs as well.

To be honest I am not sure how to earn Merit. What can a newbie who joined in DEC 2017 teach bitcointalk that they already dont know?! 
Can I expect someone to give me merit points for the translation works I do? I doubt they will, would you?
I tried to contribute by opening a topic and posting some airdrops and I have not received nor asked for any merit points.

@Admins: Is it against the rules to ask for Merit points?

Anyways would love to know what kind of contributions are likely to get me some points and in which sections I should look.

Thanks for reading!
 
 

please anyone can help me ?

i can't help you because i can't give negative trust but if you truly need help. others here willing to help you by giving some negative trusts.

please anyone can help me ?

please anyone can help me ?

please anyone can help me ?

This should make your decision to abandon this account easier.

Although most of my posts are related to bounties and I am stigmatized for that I still have an opinion to express.
Since bounty related posts are considered  as 'bad', 'spammy' and low quality posts then I suggest the following solution:

1. Replies to bounty threads not to be calculated to users activity.
2. Double or triple the required user activity for promotion to next rank.
3. Keep merit score as an indication of quality and not as part of ranking Promotion.Give more merit points to all members.
4. Create a parallel sub-ranking system related to merit score.This will distinguish members of the same level.

With current status I am afraid members will turn to merit hunters/beggers and merit score will have nothing to do with quality of posts

With current status I am afraid members will turn to merit hunters/beggers and merit score will have nothing to do with quality of posts

I guess you misunderstood me.
I never tried to defend mightwalker (I havent even looked into his posts). I was just upset about the fact that you think that someone with 14 posts cant have enough knowledge to make merit worthy posts.

As above. I never checked his account.
But your post perfectly fits my argumentation, you were able to make quality posts as newbie which are now rewarded.
Nobody has to be a high rank member to make quality posts, any newbie account could have more knowledge in cryptos then most legendarys in this forum.
And now newbies can show this by accumulating merits.

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I can take myself as an example: without patting on my own back too much, I believe I have contributed some value in most of my 130+ posts, yet was only able to gain 10 merits (and even that was just through a holder who "spread the love"). What would be my incentive now to reward a high quality post and give up some of the few merits I have earned?

Perhaps a system in which one has a limited number of merit points to grant in a certain time period, without directly affecting ones own merits, might create the right incentive?

You have received a total of 1030 merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have XXX sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

Contributing to the forum means getting involved in conversations. If you do that and show you have an interest in crypto and are here to learn and participate then the merit will come. You're new, forget about ranks and merit, just get involved and give it time.

Edit: I just checked your post history. Another almost entirely full of bounty applications. What do you think is merit worthy in that?

Although I do see the benefit of such a merit system, I also see some issues with it:

Unless I misunderstand the mechanics, what is the incentive for somebody who is aspiring for a higher rank to be a judge of quality posts and give away merits?

I can take myself as an example: without patting on my own back too much, I believe I have contributed some value in most of my 130+ posts, yet was only able to gain 10 merits (and even that was just through a holder who "spread the love"). What would be my incentive now to reward a high quality post and give up some of the few merits I have earned?

Perhaps a system in which one has a limited number of merit points to grant in a certain time period, without directly affecting ones own merits, might create the right incentive?

Please do not give hints to users here in advance. They will start preparing for it accordingly even if it involves taking the wrong route.

Merit awards may be too spotty/uneven currently, though it's still too early to say. In addition to continuously adding more sources, if things could still use improvement in this regard in a couple of months, I may do something like decay old sMerit and unused source merit and randomly redistribute the decayed merit. How the random distribution would work would magnify past merit -- so perhaps you would get an increased chance of winning extra merit for every post you've made which has at least 1 merit, but certainly you would not get any extra merit if none of your posts was ever merited.

It's too early to get a clear picture, but my thoughts so far:

First, most people complaining about merit are constantly posting garbage, and should not rank-up. The forum is not a welfare system; you don't run through a few hoops and then get paid for doing something that nobody actually wants. I like that good forum members can make money, especially when said forum members are in poorer countries and this is a major opportunity for them. I very much do not want to destroy the sig-ad/airdrop/bounty "industry". But I am not going to tolerate people posting garbage upon garbage. If the merit system completely fails and I can't think of anything else to replace it, then my next step will probably be to completely remove all ways for forum users to make money from posting (eg. removing signatures entirely).

Maybe there are ways for people who were making money by posting garbage on the forum to make money on other sites with easy bounties, etc. (For example, I don't know if they're actually any good, but https://bountyhive.io is currently advertising on the forum.) But people should use the forum to talk about these money-making ideas, not as a way of making money itself. Once you spend a lot of time here, you may be able to make some money here (which is great!), but you should consider this a far-off hope, not your primary objective.

BTW, if anyone has any ideas for simple things that these ex-nonsense-posters could usefully do to make money, I think that this'd be a good project right now. There are apparently quite a few people who were making money on the forum and could use guidance. Even though their past activities were not good for this forum, I doubt that they are useless in general.

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Merit awards may be too spotty/uneven currently, though it's still too early to say. In addition to continuously adding more sources, if things could still use improvement in this regard in a couple of months, I may do something like decay old sMerit and unused source merit and randomly redistribute the decayed merit. How the random distribution would work would magnify past merit -- so perhaps you would get an increased chance of winning extra merit for every post you've made which has at least 1 merit, but certainly you would not get any extra merit if none of your posts was ever merited.

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

I think that actmyname has been too hasty with some of his negatives, but I haven't had time to look carefully enough into it to justify making forceful changes. I did exclude actmyname from my trust list, so another DT1 could remove him from the default trust network by doing the same.