Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 73. (Read 167726 times)

I understand your new merit system, but for people like me who translate ANN contents with many images it's a punch in my face. Now I have useless images I edited and translated as well as entire posts (because the content is on images).

And yeah, my posts, now that they are almost useless, will gather many merits to become alive again...

Haha.. Impressive post.. 
I was wondering the same the other day, but never posted it.. but you did..

The fact is every person has a interest on a specific section of the forum, so they may frequently visit only that section of the forum daily.
Also, not every Higher Rank Member holding a Sendable Merit is going to hunt each and every Topic/Post of the forum, after-all we all are humans..

So it's not an easy task for a New Member to get his first Merit, unless their Topic or Post stands out well in the eyes of the Higher Rank Member holding a sMerit.


SUGGESTION:
☀ There should be a way where the links of Quality Topic/Post can be submitted daily.
(off-course the Newbie should know what does a Quality Post mean, instead of a Spam Post or some Copy-pasted Junk Post).

☀ A sticky topic could be created by the Admin where every Newbie is allowed to post the links of their Topic/Post which they find it as a Quality Post.

☀ His post containing the links of Topic/Post should be deleted by the Staff after 1 week. In short, the post would stay there for a week or so and then it would be deleted.

☀ To avoid spam in that Sticky Topic, there should be a limitation such that that the Newbie can submit only 1 Post per week with a maximum of 5 Links of his Topic/Post.

☀ The links posted once should not be editable later by the Member, else they will keep updating the links every 1 day to gain more Merits.

☀ All High Rank Member would screen through this Topic/Post as per their availability on the forum, if they feel it's good and worth a merit, they will send the Merit.

☀ I think, this way the Merit System would be more fair to everyone.

If you're not thinking about how other people will interpret what you have to say, then you're not having a conversation with them, which is the whole purpose of a forum. Instead you're just talking to yourself at best, and interrupting other people's conversations at worst, and everyone else is sick of dealing with it at this point.

How do you decide what is quality or not? How do you decide whether you like something or not? Of course it is subjective, but the idea is people will get merit for posts that have clearly had some effort put into them, and those writing exclusively mindless drivel or just claiming bounties won't get any or very little, and that's how it should be.


How about you just make posts as normal without even thinking about merit?

I have only one problem with this Merit system..
I understand it has to raise the overall quality of the forum and I have no problem with that.
But who decides what is a quality itself? What is useful to one may be junk to others. It is pretty subjective.
Basically if i want to fish out some Merits, i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do

You'll see it when you click +Merit above a post.

 I have a question and if anybody here in this forum knew the answer then please answer me.
Im a bit confused and im sorry if i have trouble understanding this new system.
How would i know if i have "sendable merits" (smerits)?
For example i have a 100 merits because im a full member, how many sendable merits i have in a 100?
Do i already have 50 or half of 100 or i could only give 1 merit?
Please enlighten me. Thank you very much.

To get Merit point is not easy, but what if someone has a different alt account and one of it's account become Merit source?
it is not fair or i think it can have negative impact of the system?

is there something in the system that can track the merit source? if what are they doing?

just asking  

On this moment there are 4 alt accounts of the banned ATMcoin in the list: krisnt80, Rinder, mastica, ancientcoins.

this is good news, I see many people always asking questions that have been submitted, maybe it aims to increase the number of posts or activities, this will reduce some of the questions asked repeatedly, and will make them think more to make posts that are more interesting and weighted .
This will make the forum more interesting.

This gives us an interesting overview. Out of top 50 accounts, 14 are banned (10 autobans and a few likely compromised locked accounts) and 7 have negative feedback mainly related to Merit abuse/account farming.
I think it should be expected that part of the list of most generous users (when it comes to sending Merit) overlaps with a list of selfish people with hidden agendas that abuse the community.


If you would currently give a total of >13 Merit to autobanned users you would be in that list.

Just want to make sure I understand this stat.

Are these people who sent the most merit to users who eventually were banned(autobanned)?

Edit: If so I'm assuming that it is a cumulative total across 1 or more members

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Thanks for the reply Cyrus.

New stat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban

Note that only "autobans" count. ("Autobans" are not actually automatic, but are a subset of bans done using the quick-ban tools. Most mods can only do autobans.)

Actually, you are correct TryNinja in regards to the ability to make at least decent posts is not as difficult as some of no merit folks (like no coiners, no?) are making out the system to be "so difficult."    There are ways to engage in threads, and to post on substantive topics, and bitcoin happens to be my favorite topic, too (even though from time to time, recently, I have come out to meta, and even though from time to time, I might meander into looking at some alt coin thread that might have some possible connection to bitcoin - or perhaps some other possible redeeming substantive value).  

Another point is that sometimes any of us might mistakenly give out merits to members who really don't deserve such merit because we get tricked into thinking that they have made a substantive contribution, including just giving them the benefit of the doubt.  So sometimes, it does pay off to browse through their prior post history which could even shed light that the current post does not deserve merit because it does not add as much value as first impression might have caused such erroneous merit conclusion.  Certainly, there are going to be some scammers and spammers that still end up receiving merits, and I don't really find any problem with that as long as spamming and scamming in this forum are disincentivized overall (which seems to be happening with some of the new innovations a) the implementation of the merit system and b) the most recent requirement that newbies need at least one merit to rank up to Jr. Member).


You seem to be attempting to place words into the mouth of TryNinja, and also creating irrelevant nonsensical strawman arguments.  There is no all or nothing playing going on in the forum, and theymos and other forum mods and administrators likely realize that there are gradients in any problems, and some problems are more important to address than others.

Seems to me that there are a lot of forum members and even members of the public (who are not forum members) who can and have benefitted stupendously from the substantive exchanges in bitcoin information through this forum, and the ability to glean valuable information from forum threads is likely enhanced by attempting various efforts to weed out the lower hanging fruit which is the newer troll, shill, scammer, spammer accounts, and if you are not a troll, shill, scammer or spammer, then you are likely to still rank up (even if it might take longer than it would have taken under prior forum rules).

Because they are want a more income with bounty, but they not useful for another forum members and print only bounty reports, because on the forum many newbie.

Higher Ranking Member is indeed helpful.
For instance, a Newbie rank member can't embed a link of an Image in their Topic/Post, i mean they when they paste a link of an image via. Insert Image, the link would be shown as it is, instead of displaying the image itself, whereas a member rank starting from Jr. Member can embed image link to their Topic/Post which would be visible to others within their Topic/Post.

This feature of Inserting Image is required by some Sellers.

Merit and Rank could be also helpful sometimes to trust a Seller, when your looking to avail a service from some XYZ person here.

Last but not the least, Member Rank starting from Jr. Member get a feature of Signature, that's again a highlight. I hope you understand, what i mean..

Concluding Statement, you will lack the following features, if your Rank / Merit doesn't increase,
1.) You cannot send PM to any Member in this forum, who has opted for the option (Do not allow PM from Newbie), this option is selected by default for all members
2.) As a newbie, you can't insert images to your Topic/Post
3.) As a newbie, you won't have an option of Signature

In short, Member Rank as well as Merit both has it's very own Advantages in this Forum.
We need to achieve it with Quality Post..  

Actually, I still do not see why some people eager to upgrade to higher ranking member. To me, as long as I can read and can make a post, merit wouldn't make any different in  anyway.

I totally agreed with you. This new revision will make this environment more better. Merit system will encourage new members to contribute positive post in this forum.

Wtf is this? Why did you went to a megathread where all people do is report plagiarism, and made a one-liner post about how "80% of icos are fraud"?

And the worst part of all is you coming here, saying that this is a "positive comment" and asking for merit. You guys should be studied.

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Are bounties all you can think about when you come to this forum?

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I’m gonna give you a shot.

Take a look at your post history. Do you really think you ever helped someone or contributed with anything to the forum? What changed with your posts? Be honest.

Relax guys, it's for the benefit of all of us. 1 merit is not very hard to get, we should strive hard and post some quality post so that we will rank to jr.member again.