Merit sources should be increase in no.

crypto mania

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 29, 2018, 06:50:17 PM

Quote from: crypto mania on April 29, 2018, 06:26:10 PM

How much time do you need to post on this accounts and manage them if you are in bounty campaigns? This can't be one person only a group of people.

Many times, I think it's not one person responsible for that many accounts. People have posted many times that they get office mates, friends, and family involved in signature campaigns, and my guess is that there are likely whole teams of people cranking out shitposts by the hundreds--daily.

If you live in a 3rd world country where a week's earnings in a campaign can feed a family for a month, it makes sense that this is going to happen. It's got to be the easiest job in the world to write idiotic nonsense posts about how bitcoin has a bright future, is increasing day by day, and we can earn big profits by investing. I read that crap constantly.

Even if my theory of campaign farms isn't correct, there are obviously individuals doing several campaigns/bounties with alt accounts and it happens very frequently. They're the ones who get caught with alts in a single campaign and for plagiarizing content. It's a huge problem on bitcointalk, and the longer you're here the more you'll see it. Pay particular attention to how many posts sound very similar. There's very little original thought happening in sections like Economics and Bitcoin Discussion.

I want to be useful and help in cleaning up this forum and recently I started to report all instances of violation of the rules. I still learn to recognize posts so that I don't report hastily to not add unneeded work to moderators.

I often see posts that I call "universal" because they are written in such a way that they match different themes and different subforums but of course they are not entirely about and sometimes completely off topic. At first, I did not notice this, but as I read, I began to recognize these posts.

I spend much more time reading this forum than posting because although I am not a novice in crypto, I am a new member and would not want to make a mistake by neglecting or not knowing the rules here. The same goes for post reporting, a good tutorial would be useful.

My accuracy is 100% so far, but I am afraid to report these posts about which I mentioned earlier because the moderator may not recognize them as spam because sometimes they are well written only not on the subject. I would not want to expose myself to any problems.

You know what they say, doing too much is worse than doing just enough.

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Quote from: crypto mania on April 29, 2018, 06:26:10 PM

How much time do you need to post on this accounts and manage them if you are in bounty campaigns? This can't be one person only a group of people.

Many times, I think it's not one person responsible for that many accounts. People have posted many times that they get office mates, friends, and family involved in signature campaigns, and my guess is that there are likely whole teams of people cranking out shitposts by the hundreds--daily.

If you live in a 3rd world country where a week's earnings in a campaign can feed a family for a month, it makes sense that this is going to happen. It's got to be the easiest job in the world to write idiotic nonsense posts about how bitcoin has a bright future, is increasing day by day, and we can earn big profits by investing. I read that crap constantly.

Even if my theory of campaign farms isn't correct, there are obviously individuals doing several campaigns/bounties with alt accounts and it happens very frequently. They're the ones who get caught with alts in a single campaign and for plagiarizing content. It's a huge problem on bitcointalk, and the longer you're here the more you'll see it. Pay particular attention to how many posts sound very similar. There's very little original thought happening in sections like Economics and Bitcoin Discussion.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on April 03, 2018, 09:23:15 AM

LOL, Merit sources get their sMerits refilled every month so that they can distribute them for that month.

Actually, I have noticed that my sMerit is refreshed a month after I use it. So as long as I am spending it daily, I have new sMerit every day.

It doesn't all come in one chunk at a certain time of the month.

crypto mania

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on April 25, 2018, 11:08:00 AM

Quote from: crypto mania on April 25, 2018, 02:32:56 AM

Snipped your answers because I think you get me wrong. I mean 1 or 2 merits for jr. member and only to award others. If not this merits are gone after some time.

By doing so you are ignoring my post which was a good advice for newbies. Shame that you people deny the inevitable and live in your own worlds of delusions.

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I have already discussed this in other thread because I thought it would be a great idea but high-rank members took me back on the ground when they explained how accounts farming flooded BTT. I didn't realized that scale of farming is so big.

You have no idea of how big the framing rig of accounts is. Still it has decreased with introduction of merit.

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This is a good idea but not for Bitcointalk in the actual state.

It might partially. It depends on how everything goes. I think we might need to give the merit system more time. Its been 3months (??) only?

Again, I think you get me wrong. I don't want to ignore your post at all. I just learned to snip posts if are not needed for further discussion. I thought that we have misunderstood and that is why I snipped part of your reply. This time I left all your answers visible.

I agree with you that I don't know how big farming accounts problem is on BTT and I think nobody knows exact figures, we can only guess. I have seen topic were a farmer was caught with 200 accounts. This is just hard to believe. How much time do you need to post on this accounts and manage them if you are in bounty campaigns? This can't be one person only a group of people.

TheUltraElite

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: crypto mania on April 25, 2018, 02:32:56 AM

Snipped your answers because I think you get me wrong. I mean 1 or 2 merits for jr. member and only to award others. If not this merits are gone after some time.

By doing so you are ignoring my post which was a good advice for newbies. Shame that you people deny the inevitable and live in your own worlds of delusions.

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I have already discussed this in other thread because I thought it would be a great idea but high-rank members took me back on the ground when they explained how accounts farming flooded BTT. I didn't realized that scale of farming is so big.

You have no idea of how big the framing rig of accounts is. Still it has decreased with introduction of merit.

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This is a good idea but not for Bitcointalk in the actual state.

It might partially. It depends on how everything goes. I think we might need to give the merit system more time. Its been 3months (??) only?

crypto mania

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on April 23, 2018, 07:23:53 AM

Quote from: crypto mania on April 22, 2018, 02:47:25 PM

I wonder if it would not be a good idea if everyone, depending on their rank, would receive several merits per month to give away.

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Snipped your answers because I think you get me wrong. I mean 1 or 2 merits for jr. member and only to award others. If not this merits are gone after some time.

I have already discussed this in other thread because I thought it would be a great idea but high-rank members took me back on the ground when they explained how accounts farming flooded BTT. I didn't realized that scale of farming is so big.

This is a good idea but not for Bitcointalk in the actual state.

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Quote from: Daboy_Lyle on April 23, 2018, 10:11:42 AM

In 8000 post a day I think only 10% of this are meritorous and the rest are shit post. Let's take this one as the percentage of the 8000 posters.
Newbie — 35%
Jr. Member — 25%
Member. — 20%
Sr. Member — 10%
Hero. —5%
Legendary — 5%
Newbie has 35% it's because they're more likely making questions in order to know more on this forum.
And for the Boards this is What I guess for the counts of post per day in percent.
Bitcoin Discussion —20%
Economy —20%
Other. —15%
Alt Coins —30%
Local —15%
Why Alt Coins has the biggest percentage because there many bounty hunters and this results for a shit post. I just generalized the boards.

80 Merit Source can handle it because not all post are good enough to be merited. Posts are commonly on Alt Coins because even a newbies are participating it. 10% meritorous post and 60% shit post and 20% for spamming.

I think you percentage above are coming from assumption as the figures are rounded in 5%. Can you provide with actual data then it can be analyzed deeper and more accurate?
From your assumptions, I can not accept the conclusion even you think it is roughly but still better to have actual data.

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I dont know if Merit sources should be increased, but certainly better distributed.
For example, in our local section (Portuguese) many users are already without or with few merits and I think in near future we will be stagnant.
Some local members applied to become a Merit source, but without success.

Daboy_Lyle

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In 8000 post a day I think only 10% of this are meritorous and the rest are shit post. Let's take this one as the percentage of the 8000 posters.
Newbie — 35%
Jr. Member — 25%
Member. — 20%
Sr. Member — 10%
Hero. —5%
Legendary — 5%
Newbie has 35% it's because they're more likely making questions in order to know more on this forum.
And for the Boards this is What I guess for the counts of post per day in percent.
Bitcoin Discussion —20%
Economy —20%
Other. —15%
Alt Coins —30%
Local —15%
Why Alt Coins has the biggest percentage because there many bounty hunters and this results for a shit post. I just generalized the boards.

80 Merit Source can handle it because not all post are good enough to be merited. Posts are commonly on Alt Coins because even a newbies are participating it. 10% meritorous post and 60% shit post and 20% for spamming.

trupero_uno

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merit seems also an interesting topic to be discussed, well I do not know clearly about this merit but now I think it will be good also for me to know more about this merit. I've ever read there are some merit source, if see the data then the source will be nice to be increased for making sure the whole posts are reviewed and evaluated.

TheUltraElite

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: crypto mania on April 22, 2018, 02:47:25 PM

I wonder if it would not be a good idea if everyone, depending on their rank, would receive several merits per month to give away.

Receiving merits like that would mean those people wouuld rank up as well if we follow the same mechanics that sMerit for non-merit source members was given on creation.

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This would certainly increase the amount of merit distributed and everyone would feel fairer.

It will technically make the system null and void because then merit awarding wold have lesser role.

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For sure it would be good for new users who can't reward posts they like because they don't have merits.

The newbies are supposed to learn more and not act immediately.

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I think that these are lost merits and only wasted time because someone will have to dig up these posts again one time and evaluate them to award them with merits. Which could be already done if a newbie has few merits to give each month.

Most people here dont think such. Except shitposter "Great project Sir" gang.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 23, 2018, 05:46:53 AM

Quote from: STT on April 23, 2018, 01:07:45 AM

I can hand a free tip to anyone wanting merit and thats to use chrome browser for this forum and select English as the primary language and allow it use a dictionary on all your posts. Every time you post, click preview and it will highlight all the words that got mistakenly misspelt.

I dont think a grammar check is as easy to do but just correcting the basic mistakes is a good start. I cant really merit anything that isnt laid out properly or edited out mistakes. I mean if your post is pure gold then sure it can be over looked some and my writing is definitely not perfect but usually poorly written equates to worthless content unfortunately, its quite simple. People wont read it nevermind give merit.

Its good news that local boards will have merit sources, so long as its not exploited or has some oversight.

Excuse me Sir, English is like my 3rd language but how can you discuss about grammar errors when you use "dont" and "cant" "its"? (If i'm not wrong dont has no meaning and "cant" "its" can be used but have a different meaning without the apostrophe)

You are correct that his grammar isn't perfect (and neither is yours) but he is easily understood (and so are you), and that's the important point.

I will quite happily overlook some minor spelling and grammar mistakes if your post is worthwhile and I can read it at a normal speed and understand it first time. If, however, I have had to read the first line 4 times and still have no idea what you are trying to say, I'm not wasting any more of my time and you are probably going on ignore.

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Quote from: STT on April 23, 2018, 01:07:45 AM

I can hand a free tip to anyone wanting merit and thats to use chrome browser for this forum and select English as the primary language and allow it use a dictionary on all your posts. Every time you post, click preview and it will highlight all the words that got mistakenly misspelt.

I dont think a grammar check is as easy to do but just correcting the basic mistakes is a good start. I cant really merit anything that isnt laid out properly or edited out mistakes. I mean if your post is pure gold then sure it can be over looked some and my writing is definitely not perfect but usually poorly written equates to worthless content unfortunately, its quite simple. People wont read it nevermind give merit.

Its good news that local boards will have merit sources, so long as its not exploited or has some oversight.

Excuse me Sir, English is like my 3rd language but how can you discuss about grammar errors when you use "dont" and "cant" "its"? (If i'm not wrong dont has no meaning and "cant" "its" can be used but have a different meaning without the apostrophe)

Anyway, can we find anywhere if some of the sources are inactive? The projecton for this month is way lower than the sMerit sources cap (keep in mind, they maybe use all the rest of sMerit in this last week!)

STT

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I can hand a free tip to anyone wanting merit and thats to use chrome browser for this forum and select English as the primary language and allow it use a dictionary on all your posts. Every time you post, click preview and it will highlight all the words that got mistakenly misspelt.

I dont think a grammar check is as easy to do but just correcting the basic mistakes is a good start. I cant really merit anything that isnt laid out properly or edited out mistakes. I mean if your post is pure gold then sure it can be over looked some and my writing is definitely not perfect but usually poorly written equates to worthless content unfortunately, its quite simple. People wont read it nevermind give merit.

Its good news that local boards will have merit sources, so long as its not exploited or has some oversight.

Aprilperez1

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Quote from: OgNasty on April 03, 2018, 12:52:33 PM

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit. Trying to find intelligent, helpful posts around here isn't the easiest thing to do. I don't think lack of merit is the issue, at least for me.

For being a newbie some of the source dont believe in our sudgestion or informations that we've share. Merit is the basis to get into a higher rank. So i just reading some information in this forum to practice and i want to share it for the people in need and also awarded me a merit.

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The problem is not with merit sources, or with members holding sMerit to award. The problem is still the time it takes to wade through the rubbish repeated threads, and the unintelligible posts.How many of the people who are whingeing about no merits are on ignore with many of the merit awarders? I think the current system is pretty good and efficient, and posters should understand that the merit system was created to encourage members to create good posts.

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Quote from: athanz88 on April 18, 2018, 09:38:23 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 18, 2018, 08:12:39 PM

Quote from: shield132 on April 18, 2018, 04:10:38 PM

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No one said that there must be reviewed single post. 80 source is more than enough.
Now look that statistics in reality: From 467 average registration, 465 is potential spammer/unusable for forum. From 8572 post, 8300 is spam. And from 345 topic, 320 is spam too. Just look titles of threads, you'll believe my words.

This can be true, maybe than the number of sources is not the problem even if some areas of forum are very low "merited". What do you think than to set the min sMerit sendable up to 2 from 1? (for abuser noting will change, it will help the avarege poster.

I don't agree with this one, the minimum sendable merit should be 1 and not else. If someone finds a post worth more than 1 merit, then they can send more. 1 is more neutral than 2, because there are many posts that deserve 1 merit but not 2 merits in my opinion.

I wonder if it would not be a good idea if everyone, depending on their rank, would receive several merits per month to give away. This would certainly increase the amount of merit distributed and everyone would feel fairer. For sure it would be good for new users who can't reward posts they like because they don't have merits. I think that these are lost merits and only wasted time because someone will have to dig up these posts again one time and evaluate them to award them with merits. Which could be already done if a newbie has few merits to give each month.

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Quote from: shield132 on April 18, 2018, 04:10:38 PM

Quote from: RAMSHIVDEEPAK on April 03, 2018, 04:42:28 AM

Hello everyone,

Average registrations per day:    466.93
Average posts per day:    8571.87
Average topics per day:    345.21
Link to source:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

There are only 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 17800 sMerit per 30 day,
here is link:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Hence,It is not feasible for 80 people(merit sources) to review such(8571) no. post on a daily basis,
So, this is my humble request to the moderator/administrator of the forum that there is need to increase the no. Of merit sources.

No one said that there must be reviewed single post. 80 source is more than enough.
Now look that statistics in reality: From 467 average registration, 465 is potential spammer/unusable for forum. From 8572 post, 8300 is spam. And from 345 topic, 320 is spam too. Just look titles of threads, you'll believe my words.

I agree with this especially in the "Bitcoin Discussion" almost all new threads are the same spam topics like "is bitcoin dead?" or "will bitcoin survive?" something like that. I am pretty sure this is one of the reasons they are cleaning or removing those shit and spam posts in every section of this forum.

Regarding about the OP's request, I don't think it will do any better if you add more number of merit sources. Even though it might look like it is hard for them to look for quality post and give merit to them what I think is hard for them is that they can only see just really few quality posts that deserves merits and we cannot blame them for that reason. These merit sources have undergone application and got accepted because of their capability of finding quality posts based on their own standards and besides they are not the only ones who can send smerits to other members but also us ordinary members.

crypto mania

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Quote from: BTCforJoe on April 06, 2018, 10:30:18 PM

Quote from: hisako on April 03, 2018, 01:13:49 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on April 03, 2018, 12:52:33 PM

I sometimes spend hours trying to find posts to leave merit....

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..A lot of my merits have been spent on Members and lower ranks....

For the record, I also merit posts that I feel took a lot of time and effort to create, even if I don’t agree with what is being said...

This is true, you and a couple of other members, award and search for posts. It is simply not enough for 2 million members forum. Majority of posts are not rewarded and that's why people complain. I think merit system should be introduced differently. You have to write quality content, do your best for the forum, to earn merits and rank up but there is no guarantee that you will be finally rewarded. In the future, more merits sources will be available, members learn how to use merit system and the situation should improve.

I don't think every member understands this system properly. They think that every well-written post should earn them merits and after few attempts without an award, they open merit topic because something feels not right to them. With time situation should improve and more posts would be merited. You can try to help your luck and post in different forum sections, in the best time, on the first topic page, add a funny photo, etc. This can help in getting merit but it still depends on luck.

Sometimes the revolution hurts its own children and that's why, we simple users of this forum, have to pay such a high price for getting rid of spam and abusers.

athanz88

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on April 18, 2018, 08:12:39 PM

Quote from: shield132 on April 18, 2018, 04:10:38 PM

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No one said that there must be reviewed single post. 80 source is more than enough.
Now look that statistics in reality: From 467 average registration, 465 is potential spammer/unusable for forum. From 8572 post, 8300 is spam. And from 345 topic, 320 is spam too. Just look titles of threads, you'll believe my words.

This can be true, maybe than the number of sources is not the problem even if some areas of forum are very low "merited". What do you think than to set the min sMerit sendable up to 2 from 1? (for abuser noting will change, it will help the avarege poster.

I dont agree with this one, the minimum sendable merit should be 1 and not else. If someone find a post worth more than 1 merit, then they can send more. 1 is more neutral than 2, because there are many posts that deserve 1 merit but not 2 merits in my opinion.

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