Mikeywith abused his trust system. - page 2.

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Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 07:14:30 PM

I literaly sent you that image on this same thread page 1 Tongue

you have not, quote it , and stop editing your posts.

anyway, stop wasting my time and yours, get the proof and the tag will be removed.

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And I consider vouching matter done, unless you got something to proove it otherwise.

it's not done on my side, until a trusted user confirms the method worked , you will probably need to start another thread about me abusing the trust system again.

Quote from: Google dictionary

vouch
/vaʊtʃ
verb
assert or confirm as a result of one's own experience that something is true or accurately so described.

non of your currently alleged vouches qualify as a vouch , unless you mean another word, then you have to use that word.

good night.

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I literaly sent you that image on this same thread page 1 Tongue

About that image you are requesting I ahve not saved any from that date, i'll try to get that data from somewhere I dont know how honestly. I mean I clearly stated on my new thread that my other account wouldnt be used to bump since it was locked, nor anything. Though I was keeping same telegram , etc. I don't know how else to proove you. I feel like you are making a big mistake here.

And I consider vouching matter done, unless you got something to proove it otherwise. I am not manipulating opinions From anyone, all I ask from vouchers is to not reveal anything of the method and if they have questions regarding something that i'd answer in case they got something wrong.

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Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 06:57:43 PM

Well you don't seem to read my posts.

Here is the picture again; https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

this is the first time you send me this image, if you posted somewhere else that you expect me to dig for, sorry ain't got time for that.

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And why are you deviating subject from the red trust you given me onto my method? Vouches that were given on my thread speak for themselves, you can interpret them as you want. It clearly states you can make the money depending on the person. And again i am NOT going into detail of this with you or anyone who hasnt bought the guide or got a copy.

i am not, i am replying to your posts.

The picture you just sent, is no proof that your account was LOCKED when you made the new account, the date on the image is 18th , your new account was created on the 16th , prove to me that you original account was LOCKED before you created the new one, then my whole argument about you risking other members to get scammed will be invalid as you were certain that nobody could have used your SOHA account to conduct any scam.

i am not sure if there is any public data on when an account was banned, but it's your job to find out. prove it and i'l remove the tag.

but we still have to go through the vouched stuff anyway. so i kindly request from you to reconsider your words, as i still think you are "manipulating opinions to vouches" intentionally or unintentionally doesn't matter.

btw, i am going to sleep, sorry for not going to reply you till tomorrow.

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Damnit, this user was really hacked and created an new account, as I posted on his thread already. The original owner, who I have had contact with for a few weeks now, has told me this through telegram and I have confirmed it (Soha1 is the old Soha, before his account got hacked).

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Well you don't seem to read my posts.

Here is the picture again; https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

And why are you deviating subject from the red trust you given me onto my method? Vouches that were given on my thread speak for themselves, you can interpret them as you want. It clearly states you can make the money depending on the person. And again i am NOT going into detail of this with you or anyone who hasnt bought the guide or got a copy.

Can any of them take full responsability? hell no! can even i take responsability? no

If someone buys my guide and does nothing , pretending money is made by itself then yea forget it, that won't happen, they'll make nothing and start complaining. you got to follow guide to make it and earn it. if not it wont happen. does my advertisement lie? no. is my advertisimetn decieveing? no. you just got to follow what i say and things will flow

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Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 06:37:08 PM

About account I literaly just sent you screenshot of it being locked? I dont know what else to proove you

you did not send me anything, when i asked you the first question related to the account issue this was your reply

Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 02:21:53 PM

I must? I do as I please mate Tongue

If you interested in guide let me know , if not goodluck

Quote from: mikeywith on January 18, 2019, 01:53:22 PM

your tittle is misleading, you do not have any trusted vouch.

1 member is not trusted.
1 member did not vouche and said your your method works.
1 member did not even post on the topic.

therefore by saying it's vouched i say you are lying, or simply acting dumb, which does not make much different in this case.

I am giving you 24 hours to edit your tittle, remove the word "vouched" until you get a vouch from a trusted member, or i will have to tag you.

which i still stand by it , can any of the members you mentioned take full responsibility of their "vouch" ? is anyone of them sure that your method will work for the next buyer? if yes, problem solved , if not then i still think you are manipulating people's words making them sound like VOUCHING.

so please get those members to confirm that what they said is actually a vouch and not just something that you manipulated from an opinion to a vouch in order to sell your method.

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Quote from: mikeywith on January 18, 2019, 06:34:15 PM

Quote from: Lauda on January 18, 2019, 06:17:32 PM

This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.

simply because the account might have not been hacked in the first place , the user wanted to keep it clean to perform whatever scam plans he has in mind,without having to take responsibility for it by saying " i mentioned it on my other thread that was started by me using my new account".

while this may not be the case, i gave him the benefit of the doubt and asked him why, he did not defend himself, he just got into attack-mode and started accusing me of wanting to spam and get post count, if he gave a reasonable answer, things would have been solved by then

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Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.

while it's not the reason for the rating, it's also not about the validity of his method, it's the term " VOUCH" he uses when not a single trusted member actually vouched for his method. it's misleading to say the least, and some people might find a good reason for a tag.

About vouches, so we end that subject. Those 3 people did indeed vouch for it. Trying the method or not its up to you, testing the effectiveness can be done without trying it out. I do agree with you about 1 person that is red trust now, but you got to agree with me that he was Green trust use before when i gave him copy.

About account I literaly just sent you screenshot of it being locked? I dont know what else to proove you , I sent my second mail to unlock it just now with help of hhampuz, Will update if i get a reply when mods are able to.

I didnt have anything of the sort in mind, as soon as i got locked out of it, in order to not loose business i made alt and made new thread with summary stating what had happened, and how that account was unaccesable.

I didnt got into attack- mode I just was a bit pissed that you came to my thread stating my vouches were all not trusted , that I was a lier, and that I must do as you said. Yea , you got me pissed. I guess :/

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Quote from: Lauda on January 18, 2019, 06:17:32 PM

This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.

simply because the account might have not been hacked in the first place , the user wanted to keep it clean to perform whatever scam plans he has in mind,without having to take responsibility for it by saying " i mentioned it on my other thread that was started by me using my new account".

while this may not be the case, i gave him the benefit of the doubt and asked him why, he did not defend himself, he just got into attack-mode and started accusing me of wanting to spam and get post count, if he gave a reasonable answer, things would have been solved by then

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Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.

while it's not the reason for the rating, it's also not about the validity of his method, it's the term " VOUCH" he uses when not a single trusted member actually vouched for his method. it's misleading to say the least, and some people might find a good reason for a tag.

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This would be the first case of someone getting tagged because they did not report their original account being hacked AFAIK. I'm not sure whether I agree with this.

Also why is the discussion going into the direction of the validity of the method that the user is selling? That's not what the rating is about.

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Quote from: mikeywith on January 18, 2019, 06:12:32 PM

Quote from: Soha on January 07, 2019, 02:07:53 PM

The 2 vouch copies have already been handed out.
@malevolent - Staff.

there is nothing to argue about , your method needs to be tested to confirm it's integrity, did either TMAN say yes this method makes you "UP TO $185/DAYa" ?
i am not sure how you define the word vouch.

anyway this was not the reason for the tag, so there is no point disusing it YET.

i personally find you suspicious and scammy to say the least, and the explanation is giving in my feedback to you, but again i am open to other's inputs, maybe someone will "correct" me if i am wrong.

My method clearly states UP TO 185 usd a day, depending on the person. Of course im not gona go into details with you or anyone who does not have the guide, because that's part of my sale.

Well, lets discuss your negative trust to me, that's my issue here at first. That's why I made this thread as a claim against reputation given to you as DT.

Edit: Come test it yourself , I already offered you..

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Quote from: Soha on January 07, 2019, 02:07:53 PM

The 2 vouch copies have already been handed out.
@malevolent - Staff.

there is nothing to argue about , your method needs to be tested to confirm it's integrity, did either TMAN or malevolent say yes this method makes you "UP TO $185/DAYa" ?

if not, then that's not a vouch and you don't have the right to use their names and relate it to the TRUSTED VOUCHED verse of yours.
i am not sure how you define the word vouch.

anyway this was not the reason for the tag, so there is no point discussing it YET.

i personally find you suspicious and scammy to say the least, and the explanation is giving in my feedback to you, but again i am open to other's inputs, maybe someone will "correct" me if i am wrong.

edited : typos

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Quote from: mikeywith on January 18, 2019, 06:00:13 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:49:17 PM

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

this is one part of the b.s vouch story he has, which i did not tag him for YET. he falsely claims that people vouched for his thing when they have not tried it and confirmed it actually works, then he keeps insisting on mentioning malevolent name and making it look like a vouch from him , might as well send a copy to satoshi and say

a vouch copy has been handed out to
satoshi

Excuse me? Dare to quote me where I said malevolent had vouched for me? Never ever said that, I did though said a vouch copy has been handed to him. Other 3 copies have been also handed and were indeed vouched, like it or not. You don't have to test something to measure its efectiveness. We can argue about bestwebcreator vouch, he was Green trust user at 20 +2/0 when I gave it to him, now he is at negative , so I take your point in that one.

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:58:23 PM

Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:50:27 PM

Bro I just told you I had pmd him 2 weeks ago if he was interested in reviewing a vouch copy for me, he said yes. So I gave him one via telegram and told me he would. I never said he vouched for it, he never posted on my thread as other members who got vouch copies have, I said I handed it to him. Though today he told me he was busy irl and was gona review very soon

A simple "no" would suffice. I don't believe your story unless malevolent can confirm it.

Why would I lie about me giving a staff user a vouch copy? I can literaly show you screenshot of my telegram privately if you wish.

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:49:17 PM

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

this is one part of the b.s vouch story he has, which i did not tag him for YET. he falsely claims that people vouched for his thing when they have not tried it and confirmed it actually works, then he keeps insisting on mentioning malevolent name and making it look like a vouch from him , might as well send a copy to satoshi and say

a vouch copy has been handed out to
satoshi

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Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:50:27 PM

Bro I just told you I had pmd him 2 weeks ago if he was interested in reviewing a vouch copy for me, he said yes. So I gave him one via telegram and told me he would. I never said he vouched for it, he never posted on my thread as other members who got vouch copies have, I said I handed it to him. Though today he told me he was busy irl and was gona review very soon

A simple "no" would suffice. I don't believe your story unless malevolent can confirm it.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on January 18, 2019, 05:56:12 PM

Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:36:36 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:35:51 PM

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I don't think you really understand what the word 'vouch' means. By your words above, there's no way malevolent could have vouched for it since he didn't even review it. You did claim "trusted vouch" in your thread title:

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Soha Money Making Guide (UP TO $185/DAY) - EARN OR REFUND - TRUSTED VOUCHED

I'm assuming you meant TMAN's words about it, because he's the only trusted member who stated that the method could work, but he didn't actually try it out.

Ok so , I gave out 4 copies and 3 were vouched, Tman, g45, and bestweb (was greentrust before dt changes), other is malevolent(pending post of him as i stated on my threads since he hasnt reviewed yet).

here is my pic of my main acc locked so Mickey can see i dont lie

https://imgur.com/a/Bfpkg51

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Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:36:36 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:35:51 PM

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I don't think you really understand what the word 'vouch' means. By your words above, there's no way malevolent could have vouched for it since he didn't even review it. You did claim "trusted vouch" in your thread title:

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Soha Money Making Guide (UP TO $185/DAY) - EARN OR REFUND - TRUSTED VOUCHED

I'm assuming you meant TMAN's words about it, because he's the only trusted member who stated that the method could work, but he didn't actually try it out.

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Quote from: mikeywith on January 18, 2019, 05:51:47 PM

Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:42:57 PM

Ok let me answer all again.

I did state it on my new thread on the prologue you can read, a summary of what had happened. You just werent bothered to look for yourself and started pointing fingers at me.

ok , so my account gets hacked, i go tell my grandmother about it, then someone uses it to scam people on the forum , when someone get's scammed and blame me , i saw no " i told my grandmother how didn't you know about it" . really ?

the proper thing to do was to post on the original thread, there is no guarantee anyone was going to see the new thread before the old one , you made a new account, bought a Copper Member, started a new thread, bumped it a few times, even quoted some posts from the original topic , but never bothered to post a warning about the account being hacked ??

Ima quote my opening summary from my new thread on Soha 1 for you, ;"Had to create a new account since person that hacked my account managed to lock me out of it. He had changed email without me noticing since password was the same all this time
I am STILL using the same email; skype; telegram as before! Do not fall for people trying to impersonate me.
Old thread before my account got locked; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/soha-money-making-guide-up-to-185day-earn-or-refund-trusted-vouched-5093954
You Will NOT see me online in that account anymore unfortunately nor any bumps there."

This was the first thing I posted on my alt account. Nothing else, so as to warn people as that my account was locked that not to expect any bumps from it or anything until solved hopefuly in future.

There was indeed a guarantee since I had digged old thread. And only one bumepd was new since account was initialy locked.

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Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:42:57 PM

Ok let me answer all again.

I did state it on my new thread on the prologue you can read, a summary of what had happened. You just werent bothered to look for yourself and started pointing fingers at me.

ok , so my account gets hacked, i go tell my grandmother about it, then someone uses it to scam people on the forum , when someone get's scammed and blame me , i saw no " i told my grandmother how didn't you know about it" . really ?

the proper thing to do was to post on the original thread, there is no guarantee anyone was going to see the new thread before the old one , you made a new account, bought a Copper Member, started a new thread, bumped it a few times, even quoted some posts from the original topic , but never bothered to post a warning about the account being hacked ??

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:49:17 PM

Quote from: Soha 1 on January 18, 2019, 05:36:36 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 18, 2019, 05:35:51 PM

Did malevolent really vouch for your "method"?

You can ask him, he has my copy on telegram. He was away for 2 weeks and he contacted me today saying he was busy irl but he'd be reviewing it soon.

I take it as a "no". Did he give permission to use his name to promote your crap?

Bro I just told you I had pmd him 2 weeks ago if he was interested in reviewing a vouch copy for me, he said yes. So I gave him one via telegram and told me he would. I never said he vouched for it, he never posted on my thread as other members who got vouch copies have, I said I handed it to him. Though today he told me he was busy irl and was gona review very soon

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