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Topic: -- Miner's Official Coin LAUNCH - NUGGETS (NUGS) -- - page 76. (Read 121524 times)

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You gave legal permission to everyone on the planet to "modify and publish copies" of NUG.  This permission is binding and irrevocable.  You have no legal authority to restrict anyone's access to the source code, or prevent them from making changes you don't like.  In the future you may want to learn among a list of other things about open source licensing before "developing" anything.


In general, yeah. Though there have been some cases of it being revocable.  The one I remember off hand involved a dvd ripper that was gpled.   The code was forced to have a change of ownership by a court, and they also allowed the gpl to be revoked on it if I remember right.  Was like 10 years back.

In this case though, another principal applies.  This was a work for hire.    Part of that should have included them giving Vlad access to the repo.  The fact that this was not done and programmer X and Y are associates does indicate a dereliction  here .     So a hostile fork using the same repo that was created as part of this work for hire is probably actionable. 

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Gerald Davis
All that license talk is interesting and I've learned a lot! So basically, once it's sent into the wild, there's no turning back eh?

Simple version yes. Even if Satoshi can back he would have no direct "control" or legal ownership of the project.  Now being the founder and given the recognition people have of his accomplishments he would have a lot of influence but he would still need to convince users of any changes.  If Satoshi wanted to change the protcol to give him a 1% perpetual "king's tax" on all transactions I think most people would tell him to go frak himself and not accept those changes.  Case in point look at Linus in the Linux project, he doesn't rule with an iron fist (and actually has very little direct power under the law of any country) however many people respect his opinion.  However with an open source project once it has been released it is out there and you give up a lot of control.
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And I stand corrected, I misunderstood.  Cidel didn't work on the original bitcoin code.

It has one of the major projects he he to do for his PhD last year and he said it was the hardest thing he ever has to do.

... So I, gonna try to parter with him cause if was able to complete a bitcoin programming project ...

What was one of the major projects he had to do for his PhD? You just said he didn't work on the bitcoin code.

At first he said he wouldn't help me for any money but when I tell him is 98% cut an paste he launched and said:  why would anyone do that?  

He's sounding pretty sane at least so far.

aren't you guys sick of scammers?  Give me a chance, I've been honest about everything so for so give me a chance to get my coin back and mak it into a real cin just like I promised.  Thanks.

I think most scammers would have managed to deliver a more working product at least.
legendary
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If you don't know how to do that then having control of the repo would do you no good anyway since you don't know how to use it.

You would have to hire someone to use it on your behalf, and that someone doesn't need control of the current repo, they would control their own aka your own copy (clone or fork) of it on your behalf. The current one is thus entirely un-needed and in fact maybe, if it is still listed in the original post, it might even be misleading people because people reading the original post will presumably tend to think you want them to use the one you list in your original post.

meanwhile the calculated network hash-per-second has changed a lot:

Code:
   "blocks" : 2457,
    "currentblocksize" : 1000,
    "currentblocktx" : 0,
    "difficulty" : 0.01756084,
    "errors" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "networkhashps" : 267252,
    "pooledtx" : 0,
    "testnet" : false

Anyone found any lucky blocks yet?

Oh and Vlad, if github is not your preferred method of maintaining a version archive of your code, which version archive system do you prefer to work with?

-MarkM-
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Still the Best 1973
If you're that desperate to add more, you should just make a fork since it looks like you're not getting control of that back.


How can I do a fork when I can't get into my repo files?  He hijacked my coin.  Don't you get it, I can't do anything he changed the password.  I'm gonna give bitcointalk another few hours then I'm forwarding the screen shots to the Feds and attorney general's office. 

And I shouldn't have to do a fork cause bitcointalk bans people for offensive language but theft end blackmail is ok.  These people are opening themselves up to a massive lawsuit.  I aced all the emails and I emailed over a dozen mods and admins.  From this point on any theft or crimes committed falls on bitcointalk since they are now aware and they are now grossly neglecting their fiduciary duties to stop any type of crimes and right now wrong which they are made aware of.  Big lawsuit coming and I'm sure they have way more money than monkey boy r3.  I wanted to email so many people with some kind of control to stop this so there is no denial later they didn't know. 

And the best part they can't delete any of my emails.  New law by the government.   I love it.  If they do nothing then they set themselves up for a huge lawsuit.

You can access the source just fine. So if you really have to get to it now the source is right there.
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Code:
   "blocks" : 2451,
    "currentblocksize" : 1000,
    "currentblocktx" : 0,
    "difficulty" : 0.35589962,
    "errors" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "networkhashps" : 5496008,
    "pooledtx" : 0,
    "testnet" : false

Has anyone found any lucky blocks yet?

Is the percent chance of finding one actually correctly calibrated to result in one every two hours on the average?

As far as I can tell all the nodes have been running the corrected code that includes the pre-mine and the correct logic for having the lucky blocks happen starting after block 250, but I do not know whether they have actually been happening, if not maybe most of that hashing power is not afterall using the corrected code.

Oh and Vlad, git is all about cloning and forking. Everyone has full access to the entire repo, they just cannot change someone else's copy of it, because the way to do changes is to make a clone or fok and do the changes on your own clone or fork. The blackmailer has the clone or fork that you had posted in the original post, all you need do is put the URL of some other clone or fork into the original post instead so people will use the one your post is pointing to not the one the blackmailer controls.

Who cares what changes the blackmailer puts into the copy they control? Each miner gets to put whatever changes they choose into their own copy.

-MarkM-




I don't know how to do that.  And I shouldn't have to if he didn't lock me out of my repo file.  Nobody should have to jump through hoops cause of a pump end dump crook.  Why aren't you guys upset st this.

Word gets out and there's gonna be 20 more next week and you guys are next.  Wake up stand up and complain to the mods - these are real crimes being committed.
legendary
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Woooow..... This is hilarious... I love how you judge everyone because they tried to give you proper criticism. It's sad that we live in a day and age when people complain about not having help when really there were at least 3 reply's trying to help you. You are one of the most idiotic coin devs. I have ever seen. And this coming from the guy who messed up the addnodes on his own coin. But wait... you can't even be called a dev because you are way too incompetent to understand how to make a copy/paste coin. You have some delirious visions that make you seem schizophrenic. You make contradictory statements and they go on calling people idiots and liars when they point it out. Tbh you're an idiotic jerk who is wasting so much money on a shitcoin that has no future. You shouldn't even be allowed to handle money if this is what you consider a "good, long term investment."  


Idiot.  I didn't mess up anything.  He got into my repo files and changed the password and from that point on he was dumping all the coins on his own exchange. 3 million coins he stole from me, pump and dump, meant for bounties.  And he did it cause I refused to sell him my coin.  He asked to buy it from me on day one.  I didn't know why.  Maybe cause my coin has such a stable diff retarget that it didn't even need a PoS.  he commended how nicely and stable it was like he was really impressed but he can copy that but why work for your coin when you can steal 3 million coins, dump then fool the many stupids on this board to take over the coin and do another pump and dump.

With the level of stupidity here I can't blame the guy.

The stupidity on this forum is endless.
legendary
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Code:
   "blocks" : 2451,
    "currentblocksize" : 1000,
    "currentblocktx" : 0,
    "difficulty" : 0.35589962,
    "errors" : "",
    "generate" : false,
    "genproclimit" : -1,
    "hashespersec" : 0,
    "networkhashps" : 5496008,
    "pooledtx" : 0,
    "testnet" : false

Has anyone found any lucky blocks yet?

Is the percent chance of finding one actually correctly calibrated to result in one every two hours on the average?

As far as I can tell all the nodes have been running the corrected code that includes the pre-mine and the correct logic for having the lucky blocks happen starting after block 250, but I do not know whether they have actually been happening, if not maybe most of that hashing power is not afterall using the corrected code.

Oh and Vlad, git is all about cloning and forking. Everyone has full access to the entire repo, they just cannot change someone else's copy of it, because the way to do changes is to make a clone or fok and do the changes on your own clone or fork. The blackmailer has the clone or fork that you had posted in the original post, all you need do is put the URL of some other clone or fork into the original post instead so people will use the one your post is pointing to not the one the blackmailer controls.

Who cares what changes the blackmailer puts into the copy they control? Each miner gets to put whatever changes they choose into their own copy.

-MarkM-

legendary
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www.ixcoin.net
If you're that desperate to add more, you should just make a fork since it looks like you're not getting control of that back.


How can I do a fork when I can't get into my repo files?  He hijacked my coin.  Don't you get it, I can't do anything he changed the password.  I'm gonna give bitcointalk another few hours then I'm forwarding the screen shots to the Feds and attorney general's office. 

And I shouldn't have to do a fork cause bitcointalk bans people for offensive language but theft end blackmail is ok.  These people are opening themselves up to a massive lawsuit.  I aced all the emails and I emailed over a dozen mods and admins.  From this point on any theft or crimes committed falls on bitcointalk since they are now aware and they are now grossly neglecting their fiduciary duties to stop any type of crimes and right now wrong which they are made aware of.  Big lawsuit coming and I'm sure they have way more money than monkey boy r3.  I wanted to email so many people with some kind of control to stop this so there is no denial later they didn't know. 

And the best part they can't delete any of my emails.  New law by the government.   I love it.  If they do nothing then they set themselves up for a huge lawsuit.
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Woooow..... This is hilarious... I love how you judge everyone because they tried to give you proper criticism. It's sad that we live in a day and age when people complain about not having help when really there were at least 3 reply's trying to help you. You are one of the most idiotic coin devs. I have ever seen. And this coming from the guy who messed up the addnodes on his own coin. But wait... you can't even be called a dev because you are way too incompetent to understand how to make a copy/paste coin. You have some delirious visions that make you seem schizophrenic. You make contradictory statements and they go on calling people idiots and liars when they point it out. Tbh you're an idiotic jerk who is wasting so much money on a shitcoin that has no future. You shouldn't even be allowed to handle money if this is what you consider a "good, long term investment."  
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If you're that desperate to add more, you should just make a fork since it looks like you're not getting control of that back.
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I, for one, would like to hear more about this communist secret genius program.
legendary
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And I stand corrected, I misunderstood.  Cidel didn't work on the original bitcoin code.

It has one of the major projects he he to do for his PhD last year and he said it was the hardest thing he ever has to do.  At first he said he wouldn't help me for any money but when I tell him is 98% cut an paste he launched and said:  why would anyone do that?  

The guy has no idea how much money he can make with his skills and education.  So I, gonna try to parter with him cause if was able to complete a bitcoin programming project then writing some features on top if it should be a joke.  

But I need my repo files and can't find the, if someone can help me.  He thinks he may be able to get into ,y account even if the guys locked me out, but I'm not 100% sure.

Anybody can help me out here to get my coin back I'll pay Cidel, anything to create the best scrypt coin out there.  I wanna out Litecoin to shme

This idiot r3 is just a pump and dumper, aren't you guys sick of scammers?  Give me a chance, I've been honest about everything so for so give me a chance to get my coin back and mak it into a real cin just like I promised.  Thanks.
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legendary
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Guys, I have the GitHub link but not the repo files, I have the PhD guy looking at my coin in the next hour.


Someone posted the repo thing here's at but I can't find it.  I know I'm locked out of it but I need it any way cause with it it Cidel, can't get in and change my coin back.  TIA
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All that license talk is interesting and I've learned a lot! So basically, once it's sent into the wild, there's no turning back eh?

Definitely better than any movie


You read my mind Smiley

and vlad just make yourself a github account please...

Fork the nugget code that you do not have full rights over...

Update the OP in this thread and there u go u have control of your coin back... Smiley

But that would be too easy, not entertaining, and not filled with conspiracy theories.
legendary
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Definitely better than any movie


You read my mind Smiley

and vlad just make yourself a github account please...

Fork the nugget code that you do not have full rights over...

Update the OP in this thread and there u go u have control of your coin back... Smiley

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Gerald Davis
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only because MIT lacks a "copyleft" provision
It's correct for any license, even for AGPL. If you are not an author, then you can't release copyleft code under restrictive license. But if you are author, then copyleft don't affect you and you can release the new versions under any license whatever you like. That's why oracle has all rights to release commersial versions of mysql, for example.

With MIT situation will be different... It has no copyleft, so you are able to release it under restrictive license even if you are not Satoshi, but you can't do anything with copyright messages in application Smiley

No that is not correct.  copyleft REQUIRES all future derived works to be licensed under a copyleft license.

Oracle uses a concept called dual licensing under which they release new versions under the copyleft license (to meet the requirement of the copyleft license) AND simultaneously release the software under a commercial license.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_license


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What is "copyleft"? Is it the same as "open source"?
"Copyleft" refers to licenses that allow derivative works but require them to use the same license as the original work. For example, if you write some software and release it under the GNU General Public License (a widely-used copyleft license), and then someone else modifies that software and distributes their modified version, the modified version must be licensed under the GNU GPL too — including any new code written specifically to go into the modified version. Both the original and the new work are Open Source; the copyleft license simply ensures that property is perpetuated to all downstream derivatives. (There is at least one copyleft license, the Affero GPL, that even requires you to offer the source code, under the AGPL, to anyone to whom you make the software's functionality available as a network service — however, most copyleft licenses activate their share-and-share-alike requirement on distribution of a copy of the software itself. You should read the license to understand its requirements for source code distribution.)

Most copyleft licenses are Open Source, but not all Open Source licenses are copyleft. When an Open Source license is not copyleft, that means software released under that license can be used as part of programs distributed under other licenses, including proprietary (non-open-source) licenses. For example, the BSD license [and MIT license] is a non-copyleft Open Source license. Such licenses are usually called either "non-copyleft" or "permissive" open source licenses

Copyleft provisions apply only to actual derivatives, that is, cases where an existing copylefted work was modified. Merely distributing a copyleft work alongside a non-copyleft work does not cause the latter to fall under the copyleft terms.

What is a "permissive" Open Source license?
A "permissive" license is simply a non-copyleft open source license — one that guarantees the freedoms to use, modify, and redistribute, but that permits proprietary derivative works. See the copyleft entry for more information.


http://opensource.org/faq#copyleft
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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes
only because MIT lacks a "copyleft" provision
It's correct for any license, even for AGPL. If you are not an author, then you can't release copyleft code under restrictive license. But if you are author, then copyleft don't affect you and you can release the new versions under any license whatever you like. That's why oracle has all rights to release commersial versions of mysql, for example.

With MIT situation will be different... It has no copyleft, so you are able to release it under restrictive license even if you are not Satoshi, but you can't do anything with copyright messages in application Smiley
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Let's get back on topic here, shall we?

github readme changed again:

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I here present you my new innovative coin: Nuggets.

I plan to make it the most used altcoin ever. I know a hacked pre-release version has been spread on a forum. Don't use it as it may harm your system.

The final client will be soon released. I will put a link here to compiled clients.

Until then, post your suggestions in the Nuggets thread. I will not answer but I will take them into account.

I do not have Windows so that would be great if a person builds a binary each time a new version comes.

Important: 0 premine.

"innovative"   hahahaha


Well ... at least very innovative in the way it is launched ^^
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