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Topic: Mixers Signatures : A challenge or Respect - page 2. (Read 678 times)

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December 02, 2023, 04:42:27 AM
#27
Mixer signature campaigns aren't the only signature campaigns around. There are other more. Are you saying that removing mixer signatures will kill the ecosystem of the forum? Don't overreact. Smiley
Without problems from mixers, theymos even considered to ban signature advertisements too. Signatures and signature advertisements were not here at beginning so the forum will not be killed even if all signatures are banned.

Signature advertisers: suggestions?
Ideas for improving post quality?

Honestly, I find signature advertisements distasteful, and it is not impossible that I will someday ban the practice. However, it's obviously an important part of the forum ecosystem today. So if you use signatures for advertising, what are your suggestions for forum improvements in that area?

For example, one idea I had was to allow users to subscribe to campaigns that other users set up, and then the campaigner could automatically push signature updates to everyone subscribed, and also track exactly when and for how long each user was subscribed. Would this be significantly useful? I'm not all that familiar with how these signature campaigns work, so I'm not sure.

However: the forum will never intermediate these transactions. We will not touch the money involved or perform any sort of "screening", etc. Also, I have no particular desire for the forum to take a cut of sig-ad transactions.

(I'm probably not going to implement anything in this area very soon, but the matter has been on my mind lately, and I wanted to see what people thought.)

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

- Removing signatures or sig ads globally.
 - Requiring payment to wear sig ads.
 - Banning account sales.

A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:

1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?
legendary
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December 02, 2023, 04:16:25 AM
#26
That's probably why they are crying about all of this because some of these mixer signature campaigns have a really good pay and some of them are in those campaigns so it's difficult for them to depart from those campaigns especially that were there from the start so some of they might've grown attached to them or they just want the consistent good pay.
Its not that they are crying. Some believed in the worth of having mixers too for the purpose of privacy but that cant help in the ongoing cracked down isnt it. Too sad that some of these mixers will not be promoted anymore hence for the users that legally using it. Anyway forum will thrive and theymos probably just following whats he thinks right.
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December 02, 2023, 02:48:22 AM
#25
This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem  Embarrassed
Mixer signature campaigns aren't the only signature campaigns around. There are other more. Are you saying that removing mixer signatures will kill the ecosystem of the forum? Don't overreact. Smiley

There are already some users here who are applying for other campaigns that aren't a mixer. I don't know the reason though because they can still wear it until the 31st. Maybe they're afraid that by next year, there will be no more open spots thus, they are applying as early as now. I will not be surprised if, by next year, more campaigns that aren't a mixer will emerge, but for now, they can still advertise it until the end of the year.

On the other hand, there will be some that will milk them until they (mixer owners) themselves will just stop their campaigns.
sr. member
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December 02, 2023, 02:23:24 AM
#24
We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 
That's probably why they are crying about all of this because some of these mixer signature campaigns have a really good pay and some of them are in those campaigns so it's difficult for them to depart from those campaigns especially that were there from the start so some of they might've grown attached to them or they just want the consistent good pay.
sr. member
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December 02, 2023, 12:06:44 AM
#23
Well, Theymos has given a grace period of one month, to wind up all these things including signature campaigns. Now the question comes whether we show respect to the theymos decision and remove our signatures as soon as possible for everyone benefit and to show that we respect the forum decisions or will you people will keep wearing the signatures till 31 December so that you earn every penny you can. Also it means that most users are not willing to let go mixers signatures as they keep them till the last seconds.

The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December Huh

There is nothing wrong is wearing the signature and promoting the service till the last day as allowed by theymos. If it was too urgent, he would have stopped everything immediately (Like he put the Sinbad to Archival). Nothing to be hurry or getting panic.

Also i think that people will be started finding spots in other non-mixers campaigns and most of them will be moving to the other campaigns as they get accepted while the rest of them will obviously be leaving by the end of this month.
legendary
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December 01, 2023, 09:22:16 PM
#22
This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem  Embarrassed

Hardly. There's obviously a lot of butt-hurt and other signature campaigns will get more competitive; as a result some of the people who are only here to shitpost for a campaign will leave. If anything this will lead to an overall increase in the quality of posts on the forum.

I rather all signatures be disabled globally, no links allowed, but never see a Bitcoin service banned. No banning of discussing Bitcoin services.

We can discuss gay porn, and porn in general, but we can't discuss a Bitcoin service? Welcome to new north korea.

He's not banning discussion of mixing services, only advertisement of them. I suspect you know this already but this is a pre-emptive measure to ensure that the forum itself doesn't get taken down. As a repository for Satoshi's writings, the forum is bigger than all of us. Theymos is simply trying to get one step ahead of the curve here.
legendary
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December 01, 2023, 05:50:17 PM
#21
We still have the last day of this year to wear signatures if we want.

All of us here are bound by the forum rules, and the recent announcement by Theymos will be implemented. Thus, we have no choice but to follow the orders. As you can see, some of us are wearing Mixer signatures, so I'll presume that most will continue until the last day allowed.

I'll take this opportunity to express gratitude to Mixers; they've been here to promote anonymity and privacy (through us), even though, in the end, the government prevailed. Theymos's decision is understandable, it serves as a preventive measure. If Bitcointalk were linked to Mixers, it could lead to unfavorable consequences, potentially even risking a ban on our beloved forum. So, let's follow the rules and support each other here.

Sayonara mixers - Cry
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December 01, 2023, 04:41:21 PM
#20
I rather all signatures be disabled globally, no links allowed, but never see a Bitcoin service banned. No banning of discussing Bitcoin services.

We can discuss gay porn, and porn in general, but we can't discuss a Bitcoin service? Welcome to new north korea.
hero member
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December 01, 2023, 04:17:27 PM
#19
We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 

Yes, this one, I mean carry the signature up to the last minutes, campaign managers pay them, campaign managers gets their last salary and every body went on their way and apply if there is a open signature campaigns.

It's not like the end for those who are wearing mixers signatures now.

So there's no challenge here, Theymos makes it clear as what they have to do next.
hero member
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December 01, 2023, 04:11:07 PM
#18
Well, we all know that Mixers Signatures will be ended by 1st  Jan 2024. There are new rules being imposed regarding promoting mixers on this forum.
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The same challenge goes to the campaign managers to announce this or this current week as the last one to wind up things  (in favor and agreeing to theymos) or still be willing to go till the last week of December Huh
You have asked a good question and the answer is straight I will try to earn every penny I can until our campaign managers tell us not to. Actually, Sinbad has been called so many times before this case opening, that it is being involved in money laundering, I read about its case around 2 months ago and from then I did not applied to this campaign, even though I have submitted my POA maybe 1 or 2 times but that's when I thought there is no confirmation (solid one) there as if the government would have solid proof two months ago they would have seized it then not now.

AFAIK, most of the campaigns on BTT are about Mixers and this technology is really good and we all should use it for better use cases (I think before 1 Jan we can talk about Mixers but theymos has restricted us to). All I am trying to say is, that there should be no bad use of it and if one is caught doing it, a quick reaction should be taken against it.

This way the fear among others will be placed and they will avoid such mistakes to Launder money. But the overall decision is hard to bear but it is what it is, Theymos has left no other choice for us and the situation has left none for him I think.
sr. member
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December 01, 2023, 03:24:01 PM
#17
This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem  Embarrassed

Many people said the same when Merit system was first introduced, but it didn't create problems but made things better and easier for everyone and the forum as well. Bear in mind that such decisions are not taken just like that, there are a lot of things that we don't know or realize, and someone who is in charge of everything will know more and he must be keeping a lot of things in the background just to keep us safe or avoid spreading panic all around.

Changes come and go, things evolve, but nothing stops, the world keeps going and things start to look normal after a little while.
legendary
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December 01, 2023, 01:42:04 PM
#16
This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem  Embarrassed
Incoming mixer ban certainly sucks big time, but let's not overdramatize it.

If signature campaigns (and altcoin bounties) were banned alltogether, then I would say that you are right and that forum is pretty much done but at the moment that's not the case.
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December 01, 2023, 01:37:10 PM
#15
This solution is incredibly stupid. This will kill the entire forum ecosystem  Embarrassed
sr. member
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December 01, 2023, 01:11:45 PM
#14
We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 
This is a good one.

No need to panic now. Even though the members can do whatever they please by removing the avatar, they should wait for the managers who I believe will have the announcement coming out soon.
sr. member
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December 01, 2023, 01:07:18 PM
#13
If you are uncomfortable then remove it right now. If you are not then remove it after the grace period ends. It's up to you. And theymos already stated that, mixers are not illegal but to prevent future problems he has taken this hard decision.  

OP, you should lock this thread and go to the thread created by theymos. You'll find all your answers there.
hero member
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December 01, 2023, 01:04:18 PM
#12
Now we still have the freedom to wear mixer signatures until the deadline (Jan. 1, 2024) and of course we will do our duty until the manager announces the end of the mixer campaign.

I'm sure the manager will make the announcement as soon as this week ends.
hero member
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December 01, 2023, 12:58:33 PM
#11
I believe respecting the forum's decisions is crucial, while the temptation to maximize earnings is understandable. I think it would be wise for campaign managers to announce this week as the last one to wind up things, aligning with Theymos' decision to portray a sense of responsibility towards the community guidelines.
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December 01, 2023, 12:40:26 PM
#10
There's no need to remove them now but I'm sure most campaign managers will start to wind them down immediately and probably stop them before the deadline rather than leave the campaigns running right up until the last minute.
legendary
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December 01, 2023, 12:16:48 PM
#9
We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 
That comment of yours sent me rolling on the floor. But of course, milk all possibilities oh thee citizen of planet earth 😂
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December 01, 2023, 11:13:44 AM
#8
We as the citizens of planet earth promise you to milk every possible  signature revenue to the last milliseconds allowed and will not forfeit our rights. 😂 
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