Topic: Mixers to be banned - page 26. (Read 23809 times)

I did not know anything about your account before you posted here but you have now come to my attention therefore I looked at your feedback. You also came to the attention of icopress and lovesmayfamilis and they have given you neutral feedback.

I will have a look at your previous posts to see if it is justified for me to tag your account too and any other account you may have allegedly exchanged merits with.

Keeping that aside, I think most members complaining about the ban are looking at this from a financial perspective more than any freedom of expression. Hopefully many will disappear soon after they realise they will not be selected for signature campaigns.

But, don't worry, it seems that those who made this statement were not the US authorities, but rather those from the Netherlands.
It is true that the work was done together, but the people behind this statement were the authorities in Europe.
This is clear, if this account is true - which, given various evidence, it must be.

I am not familiar with this issue, but after going through multiple pages I was able to understand the situation and what can be its implication for the forum. There are a lot of reasons why I feel the ban on Mixers is not justified and it shows how much the admin is stooping to those who are controlling the economic vulnerability of everyone actively involved here.

Some would tag me as I get tagged a lot because of my questions and intentions to be in this forum. The problem that does not have a solution is to find a region where we all can do, what we want to without the interference of a government-based entity based in the US and accepted by every country. It would be great if we as a community could forget our earnings and come up with a decentralized-based forum. I have a few things in my mind and I know they will not get accepted as I have been tagged by a DT1 user.

That is certainly part of the issue, there are far too many people who will complain but will not be proactive enough to even try creating their own version of what they think freedom should look like.

Not picking out specific examples but many of those complaining are expressing their frustration at what will become a highly competitive signature campaign market with less campaigns after mixers are banned and will offer less rates of pay.

Now I added a hidden service, check the ANN thread or just go to kmzvdt7443fqisu27xw3saxv7rn2pmgx33zd2cy54ev2mbba2xjoziqd.onion

I have only tried tor (which is a fork of Firefox).  It would be great if you could setup a hidden service.  The error still persists.

So does this error only occur on Firefox or also TOR?

I know it works fine on Chrome, but I need to investigate further.

Okay no one has contacted me.

But I am USA based and fed laws have long statues of limitation.

Likely If they go after anyone on Bitcointalk  it would be Royse777 as he ran the campaign.

I am not trying to put the fear of the Gov into people. But we are not in a vacuum. As far as I know the LE announcement could be real or fake. No proof was provided one way or the other.

But the red tags took a complicated issue and made it more complex.

 Which is why I mentioned it.

 As I USA based guy on a USA Federal based pension.
 I am very vulnerable to my government trying to punish me.

So to read the LE is fake. When who knows what is true  was a shock.

Yes.


No. They have to be collecting KYC data from all senders.


I'm not familiar enough with how Tornado Cash works/worked. It meets criteria 1 and 3, but for criteria 2:

 - If every member of the DAO turning evil would allow it to adjust the contract and steal BTC, then it's a banned mixer.
 - If going to the website and using the website directly to do the mixing would allow the deposit to be stolen, then at least the website would be a banned mixer. (Perhaps the contract itself wouldn't be.)
 - If neither of those are true, then maybe it's more like CoinJoin than a mixer, and it shouldn't be banned.

Based on vague knowledge which I have casually absorbed, I'd guess that both of the first two points above are true?


Defunct mixers' ANN-threads probably won't be locked. Non-promotionally linking to a mixer's ANN thread will be allowed, whether or not it's a defunct mixer.

I checked with tor browser, no issues here.

I get "SSL_ERROR_INTERNAL_ERROR_ALERT" from tor.

I just checked with 3 different FF based browsers and all worked fine.

If you are the owner of that site, I am told by Firefox to inform you an error occurs during connection with bitmixlist.com.

Tada!

"The internet" is a big place. Create your own website that allows as much freedom as you want.

I understand that decision but actually pretty sad that we have less and less freedom in the internet. Not only in crypto but in general...
And we will never get this freedom back

Why are you blaming others for "not giving you proper warning", while doing this:

I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not under US laws, but I'd say you could claim "I didn't know" when you wore the Sinbad signature. I don't think you can still claim that for Tumbler.
On the other hand: if people advertising for services that turned out to be illegal would get prosecuted, that would basically end all advertising. As much as I'd like to not see millions of ads per year, there's no way they'll do that. It's impossible for advertising agencies to check all companies they advertise for.

That's not allowed:
People have been banned or tagged for sending unsolicited PMs.

Please educate yourselves when you have the time, to realize what kind of a world we are living in.
If you don't know it, read his books, Niccolo Machiavelli, it should open your eyes to see how politics work.

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The issue is not about some red colored alphabets on an internet forum, issue is staying silent when you see someone is doing something wrong. that is the cause of all evil, because it makes it right in the minds of the crowd. Most people are oblivious about how the state categorizes communities, they look at the accepted standards and create a profile, when they see such a chaotic community, they mark it as hostile.

You guys can't even fake to be good, I don't know how we can progress in this revolution. OMG, I'm such a looser to fantasize a utopian future for us.

I cannot find a write-up or an article or anything that says a man was sentenced for this number of years for promoting Bitcoin mixer all I can find are

Ohio man arrested for running Bitcoin mixing service that laundered $300 million

A guy pleads guilty to operating a Bitcoin mixer and so on

Those sentenced or prosecuted are those running, behind, and operating unless they can prove that besides promoting you are also operating.

it is within this very long thread.


there were around 50 people collecting for the sinbad.io signature.

a new poster claiming to be a law enforcement agency. posted that all of our signatures needed to removed.

and that sinbad.io was seized.

they said that anyone leaving the signature up could be prosecuted.

I found the post about 20 hours after it was posted.

it was redtagged I wasted about 90 minutes to 2 hours trying to understand. whom to believe.

i decided that I would pull the signature. at say hour 23 ½ after the warning.

with out the tag I would have done it at hour 22.

So I doubt the law enforcement agencies will come for me and the others that were a bit slow, but they could have and they may.

which would put everyone of us that the red tags slowed in a position to go after:

the three redtaggers
royse77
theymos and the fourom

for not giving us proper warnings.


I am US based. I know the fed laws here are nuts and for the next ten years they could bother me for this.

Before any dt redtagged they should have went to royse77’s list and pm ed us to reqd the LE statement.

Instead they choose to redtag it.  Simply not responsible as they did not know it was fake and to this moment they do not have any proof it was fake.

I and everyone on that list of signature payments was not helped if that LE was legit.


I am not going to bother with much here as I simply hope I will be left alone be LE as I did comply just under 1 day to the warning which in my case was the best I can do.

Btw this precedent may end all signatures down the road as any one of us doing a campaign could be in trouble if some LE goes after us.

And the possible backlash to the forum is simple they kept allowing a “bad” signature.

Since any LE can make a statement saying they busted a website and consider an add to be illegal
theymos will need a way to bump a signature after a cease and desist is placed here.


So red tagging Supposed LE posts is very very dangerous thing to do.
should be a neutral and state you do not know if the LE is real

which is a safer way to go.