Mixin Safe (Decentralized Multisig+MPC+Timelock solution) review preperation - page 2.

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Quote from: TryNinja on July 25, 2023, 06:38:53 AM

Here is a screnshot of me approving the tx with the almost-lost second signer, in a Windows 7 computer that I found in my hotel. Tongue

@TryNinja

Maybe it is better if Mixin Safe had a UI (within both the desktop/web and the mobile apps) for you to revoke unsafe computers? It's very easy for a public computer (particularly Windows) to get loaded with malware that steals auth tokens and approves an unauthorized transfer.

@cedricfung what do you think? It would be a welcome addition to already asking the other devices for authorization of another device that's about to log in.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on July 22, 2023, 06:22:08 AM

I'll make a few more tries, if it works

Any success with this?

If you can change numbers, can offer my help with an alternative number no strings attached. Let me know via PM. GL.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 22, 2023, 06:16:44 AM

Quote from: yhiaali3 on July 22, 2023, 12:37:01 AM

So I hope you will accept my apology and withdraw my application and give the opportunity to another participant.

Sorry to hear that.
I am removing you from the list (temp). Currently the campaign is CFNP, before making a new opening if you are able to sort it out then let me know, I will add you back without making an opening.

Cheers,

Thanks Royse777 for your understanding
I'll make a few more tries, if it works I'll let you know
Greetings to you

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on July 22, 2023, 12:37:01 AM

So I hope you will accept my apology and withdraw my application and give the opportunity to another participant.

Sorry to hear that.
I am removing you from the list (temp). Currently the campaign is CFNP, before making a new opening if you are able to sort it out then let me know, I will add you back without making an opening.

Cheers,

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Hi Royse777
Sorry to tell you that I would like to withdraw my application
During the past days I downloaded the necessary applications for my review and activated Mixin Safe with a virtual phone number successfully, but when I try to create a PIN to create a wallet I get the error in the picture:

I tried many times changing the number as well as changing the VPN but I get the same error every time, I contacted support via Mixin Safe chat and they tried to help me but unfortunately they could not find out the cause of the problem and my problem was not solved.

So I hope you will accept my apology and withdraw my application and give the opportunity to another participant.

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Quote from: logfiles on July 21, 2023, 07:55:59 PM

Quote from: Woodie on July 21, 2023, 05:10:26 PM

Not sure if the question belongs here or not, but is it just me or others are experiencing this...if you log into Mixin Safe via the web platform , I have noticed that mixin doesn't log you out automatically even after hours of you not being near you PC! Is this suppose to work this way, thought after X minutes it need should to sign I with Mornin key 🔑 or something Roll Eyes

If you believe it's a useful security feature, then I suggest you should add it in your review post if you are part of the selected reviewers. This is the main reason they decided to spend some money on the review campaign… Right?

Only noticed this when I reloaded the mixin dashboard, after several hours of doing my review , anyway a simple edit will fix it ,cheers Cool

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Quote from: Woodie on July 21, 2023, 05:10:26 PM

Not sure if the question belongs here or not, but is it just me or others are experiencing this...if you log into Mixin Safe via the web platform , I have noticed that mixin doesn't log you out automatically even after hours of you not being near you PC! Is this suppose to work this way, thought after X minutes it need should to sign I with Mornin key 🔑 or something Roll Eyes

If you believe it's a useful security feature, then I suggest you should add it in your review post if you are part of the selected reviewers. This is the main reason they decided to spend some money on the review campaign… Right?

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Not sure if the question belongs here or not, but is it just me or others are experiencing this...if you log into Mixin Safe via the web platform , I have noticed that mixin doesn't log you out automatically even after hours of you not being near you PC! Is this suppose to work this way, thought after X minutes it should be asking you to sign In with Mornin key 🔑 or something Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 21, 2023, 11:06:30 AM

@cedricfung, I created a safe 2 hours ago and until now it's still on draft status. The note shows that the summary process only takes a minute. Am I missing something here to make my safe active? The support now is inactive while they have the online status. I decided to post it here to get an immediate solution to complete my test on the safe.

The image below is the current status of my pending safe.

Hi,

Sorry for this inconvenience, which owner wallet are you using? May you send me the safe id through private message? Just the URL of this safe represents the id.

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@cedricfung, I created a safe 2 hours ago and until now it's still on draft status. The note shows that the summary process only takes a minute. Am I missing something here to make my safe active? The support now is inactive while they have the online status. I decided to post it here to get an immediate solution to complete my test on the safe.

The image below is the current status of my pending safe.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 21, 2023, 08:01:35 AM

I just want to give a thumbs up to Mixin support for being quick to solve issues encountered on Mixin Safe. I recently encounter error code 500 when I'm trying to create a safe. They fixed immediately the bug and notified me via email to continue my test. Customer support is very active in helping customers. I hope this will continue in the long term.

Thank you

Will keep improving the product and customer support.

Quote from: bitmover on July 21, 2023, 08:26:02 AM

There is a similar website, which the team should consider buying:
safe.mixing.zone/

This domain is owned by another company, and I mistakenly put it in my web browser.

Suggestion: put all your products in the same domain and redirect them. Multiple domains is confused for the user.
Currently domains that i noticed mixin team has:
https://safe.mixin.zone/
https://mixin.one/
https://messenger.mixin.one/
https://mornin.one/

I think adding all to the same domain and creating subdomains is much easier to users and customers. I am always worried when I move to another domain, specially within the same company/service

Thanks for pointing out this, we are working on the website and brand improvement, now I also feel they look fragmented.

We will put everything under domain mixin.one, and the mixin.zone domain is only for beta test service, once the product is ready, it will be available at the one domain.

Thank you

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Quote from: cedricfung on July 21, 2023, 07:33:40 AM

The wallets listed are the only supported so far as I know, and only Bitcoin Core, Ledger, Mornin Key have been tested. And I'm sure Trezor doesn't support the miniscript feature yet, so not Mixin Safe compatible.

Thanks for quick answer.
I will have to explore miniscript topic more, especially for hardware wallets, and I will try to find all wallets that support them.
If Coldcard supports miniscript than there is a good chance Passport wallet is also supporting it (they forked from old Coldcard code), unless they decided to opt out.
This is interesting topic for discussion, but if I remember correctly ledger once had a bug that was related with miniscript feature in their wallet.

Yes, ledger had that bug that generates a wrong address. For Mixin Safe, we don't use Ledger to generate the address, and we can make sure the address script is correct. Ledger is only doing the private key management.

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Quote from: cedricfung on July 21, 2023, 07:33:40 AM

The wallets listed are the only supported so far as I know, and only Bitcoin Core, Ledger, Mornin Key have been tested. And I'm sure Trezor doesn't support the miniscript feature yet, so not Mixin Safe compatible.

Thanks for quick answer.
I will have to explore miniscript topic more, especially for hardware wallets, and I will try to find all wallets that support them.
If Coldcard supports miniscript than there is a good chance Passport wallet is also supporting it (they forked from old Coldcard code), unless they decided to opt out.
This is interesting topic for discussion, but if I remember correctly ledger once had a bug that was related with miniscript feature in their wallet.

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I just started my review, but I decided to share this here first. As it is not exactly a review of the service, but a security alert.

There is a similar website, which the team should consider buying:
safe.mixing.zone/

This domain is owned by another company, and I mistakenly put it in my web browser.

Suggestion: put all your products in the same domain and redirect them. Multiple domains is confused for the user.
Currently domains that i noticed mixin team has:
https://safe.mixin.zone/
https://mixin.one/
https://messenger.mixin.one/
https://mornin.one/

I think adding all to the same domain and creating subdomains is much easier to users and customers. I am always worried when I move to another domain, specially within the same company/service

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Quote from: Sarah Azhari on July 20, 2023, 08:06:41 PM

Quote from: ajiz138 on July 20, 2023, 12:35:01 AM

I tried with free VPN but still on Play Store that Mixin is not available in Indonesia, then I tried to download the APK file from Mixin but I can't receive the 4 digit code already 6x I re-send the code it still doesn't appear via SMS.

I am able to download it with the method above. But, same as your situation, I can't receive any SMS, I changed several providers and still didn't receive it.

I use this SMS receiver online https://temporary-phone-number.com/ to get my SMS code, which arrives a few seconds after I request a code. Probably the problem is the fact that your country is not supported by the app then use other country's SMS to receive the code for the sake of the app test.

I just want to give a thumbs up to Mixin support for being quick to solve issues encountered on Mixin Safe. I recently encounter error code 500 when I'm trying to create a safe. They fixed immediately the bug and notified me via email to continue my test. Customer support is very active in helping customers. I hope this will continue in the long term.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on July 21, 2023, 06:43:51 AM

OK, I somehow managed to register with Mixin and download everything that is needed for testing, so I decided to send my application for review.
I do like the idea of Multisig but let's see how this Mixing setup works in my real life testing.

Question for cedricfung:
Some people in my local board are not sure what wallets are supported except ones mentioned so far (Ledger, Bitcoin Core, Bitbox, Coldcard, Mornin key, etc), so can we get a full list of all supported devices/wallets?
Is Trezor hardware wallet supported?

Thank you

The wallets listed are the only supported so far as I know, and only Bitcoin Core, Ledger, Mornin Key have been tested. And I'm sure Trezor doesn't support the miniscript feature yet, so not Mixin Safe compatible.

Quote from: ajiz138 on July 21, 2023, 03:21:31 AM

It means the same that Indonesia can't use Mixin, I only tried one provider, but with you saying other providers are the same it means I don't need to try again because the results will be the same.

Quote from: Sarah Azhari on July 20, 2023, 08:06:41 PM

I never used it before because I don't know if safe it or not, but when appears OTP in public, I think it's not safe, Maybe someone out there waits this moment to create a parallel device.

No, I won't use the "free SMS receiver" it's worse, but I never knew about the paid OTP even though it's said to be premium but I'm still not sure.

I just checked we have problem delivering SMS to Indonesian numbers, and we are working on the anonymous number feature which allows you to sign in with mnemonic words, will try to roll it asap.

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OK, I somehow managed to register with Mixin and download everything that is needed for testing, so I decided to send my application for review.
I do like the idea of Multisig but let's see how this Mixing setup works in my real life testing.

Question for cedricfung:
Some people in my local board are not sure what wallets are supported except ones mentioned so far (Ledger, Bitcoin Core, Bitbox, Coldcard, Mornin key, etc), so can we get a full list of all supported devices/wallets?
Is Trezor hardware wallet supported?

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Quote from: NotATether on July 20, 2023, 08:26:14 AM

You should've installed the app and played with it a bit before signing up for the review, so that you could see if you could get it working.

Yeaaaah, I was a little quicker to apply, but I thought it was no limit for my area, but I realized it was a little careless. Grin

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 20, 2023, 06:20:01 PM

Removed you from Batch 2. If circumstance changes then let me know via PM, I will try to fit you a space.

Okey, thanks @Royse if anything changes I'll PM immediately.

Quote from: Sarah Azhari on July 20, 2023, 08:06:41 PM

I am able to download it with the method above. But, same as your situation, I can't receive any SMS, I changed several providers and still didn't receive it.

It means the same that Indonesia can't use Mixin, I only tried one provider, but with you saying other providers are the same it means I don't need to try again because the results will be the same.

Quote from: Sarah Azhari on July 20, 2023, 08:06:41 PM

I never used it before because I don't know if safe it or not, but when appears OTP in public, I think it's not safe, Maybe someone out there waits this moment to create a parallel device.

No, I won't use the "free SMS receiver" it's worse, but I never knew about the paid OTP even though it's said to be premium but I'm still not sure.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on July 20, 2023, 12:35:01 AM

I tried with free VPN but still on Play Store that Mixin is not available in Indonesia, then I tried to download the APK file from Mixin but I can't receive the 4 digit code already 6x I re-send the code it still doesn't appear via SMS.

I am able to download it with the method above. But, same as your situation, I can't receive any SMS, I changed several providers and still didn't receive it.

Quote from: Woodie on July 20, 2023, 03:14:13 AM

But like Royse said in the review thread, an online number can be used..have you tried this to bypass any potential restrictions?

I never used it before because I don't know if safe it or not, but when appears OTP in public, I think it's not safe, Maybe someone out there waits this moment to create a parallel device.

Quote from: Woodie on July 20, 2023, 03:14:13 AM

Go for the bitcoincore method, goodluck Cool

connect with Owner's wallet like Bitcoin core is the next method after we successfully installed Mixin safe on the phone, there is a next step on Safe Dashboard which I think it's not affect anything even if we use other applications like mornin' key because we need installed mixin messenger on 1st step, if didn't, we can't use any method like bitcoin core, mornin key, and hardware wallet.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on July 20, 2023, 12:35:01 AM

I am in the second batch of this review service but currently I can't do anything everything is not running normally. (Maybe for certain areas)
@Royse777 like I have to resign from the review, but luckily I always check first before the funds are sent.

Removed you from Batch 2. If circumstance changes then let me know via PM, I will try to fit you a space.

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Quote from: Woodie on July 20, 2023, 03:14:13 AM

Quote from: ajiz138 on July 20, 2023, 12:35:01 AM

Quote from: Sarah Azhari on July 19, 2023, 10:18:00 PM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 19, 2023, 01:47:00 PM

As far as I understand you need to download the app either from iOS or android unfortunately.

Yes, I'm almost happy and excited to try when look the application has Windows and Linux download, but after installing, I still need login scan from the Android or IOS application, and I can't find also a button which I can log in use phone number on windows application, this mean installed application in a phone is necessary.

1 more important thing is I can find mixin applications on play store when my phone didn't connect VPN. this mean the aplication is not available in my country Indonesia.

therefore I can't join your service.

I tried with free VPN but still on Play Store that Mixin is not available in Indonesia, then I tried to download the APK file from Mixin but I can't receive the 4 digit code already 6x I re-send the code it still doesn't appear via SMS.

If Mixin does not show up or rather not supported for Indonesia then chances are high that if you using an Indonesian number code via sms won't be received unless someone in your locality managed to get one through!

But like Royse said in the review thread, an online number can be used..have you tried this to bypass any potential restrictions?

Most "free SMS receivers" are crap and won't relay numbers to you, there are a number of SMS services backed by real numbers which you can see on kycnot.me and use for this purpose. It works just fine with a real number too.

Also, I just download the APK from 3rd party sources instead of using Google Play. It's not strictly necessary.

Quote from: ajiz138 on July 20, 2023, 12:35:01 AM

I am in the second batch of this review service but currently I can't do anything everything is not running normally. (Maybe for certain areas)
@Royse777 like I have to resign from the review, but luckily I always check first before the funds are sent.

You should've installed the app and played with it a bit before signing up for the review, so that you could see if you could get it working.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 19, 2023, 12:37:38 PM

Quote from: cedricfung on July 17, 2023, 01:28:29 AM

you may use some phone number services on the Internet to get a random phone number just for a single SMS. Then you can begin the test, just you know that you may lose the account access because you don't own the random phone number

Does that mean someone else can access my account just by accessing the same phone number?

I think you still need the PIN to sign in with the phone number, because the PIN is stored on their servers in some encrypted form.

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