Topic: [Moderated] [ANN][URO] First Urea Commodity Token: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea - page 187. (Read 227157 times)

Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 08:01:52 AM

I don't think it's fake:

You make interesting points.

I mostly concur, and when I use the word "fake" I also mean it in a nuanced way, ie that the order may have been processed BUT not in good faith.

Someone posted a clause from the supply contract that gives the supplier an effective get-out depending on changing economic conditions, hardship, unforseen circumstances, etc. - normal in a contract but in this case very detailed and long - which IMO will be evoked in 60 days time just before the date the delivery must be made, if 1 Uro has not risen to the market price of a ton of Urea.

The only way to rise the value of URO is to come forth with the goods. Chances are they'll do it, then wait for URO to rise, then sell the URO they have. This way they'll make more money then by scamming people out of whatever little value URO has now.

Wait.

Let me be sure I have this straight.

Your new theory for proving this is a scam is that they'll come through with their profitable business model, just so they can scam?

No, what I mean is IF they actually have urea on hand, they'll make more money actually selling it for URO then scamming people with the whole thing.

Ah, yes. My fault for misunderstanding.

Yes. This is far more profitable as a real venture than as a scam.

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Quote from: Cryptourologist on July 13, 2014, 08:00:16 AM

Quote from: Cryptourologist on July 13, 2014, 08:00:16 AM

I don't think it's fake:

You make interesting points.

I mostly concur, and when I use the word "fake" I also mean it in a nuanced way, ie that the order may have been processed BUT not in good faith.

Someone posted a clause from the supply contract that gives the supplier an effective get-out depending on changing economic conditions, hardship, unforseen circumstances, etc. - normal in a contract but in this case very detailed and long - which IMO will be evoked in 60 days time just before the date the delivery must be made, if 1 Uro has not risen to the market price of a ton of Urea.

The only way to rise the value of URO is to come forth with the goods. Chances are they'll do it, then wait for URO to rise, then sell the URO they have. This way they'll make more money then by scamming people out of whatever little value URO has now.

Wait.

Let me be sure I have this straight.

Your new theory for proving this is a scam is that they'll come through with their profitable business model, just so they can scam?

No, what I mean is IF they actually have urea on hand, they'll make more money actually selling it for URO then scamming people with the whole thing.

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I don't think it's fake:

You make interesting points.

I mostly concur, and when I use the word "fake" I also mean it in a nuanced way, ie that the order may have been processed BUT not in good faith.

Someone posted a clause from the supply contract that gives the supplier an effective get-out depending on changing economic conditions, hardship, unforseen circumstances, etc. - normal in a contract but in this case very detailed and long - which IMO will be evoked in 60 days time just before the date the delivery must be made, if 1 Uro has not risen to the market price of a ton of Urea.

The only way to rise the value of URO is to come forth with the goods. Chances are they'll do it, then wait for URO to rise, then sell the URO they have. This way they'll make more money then by scamming people out of whatever little value URO has now.

Wait.

Let me be sure I have this straight.

Your new theory for proving this is a scam is that they'll come through with their profitable business model, just so they can scam?

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Quote from: xCryptoManiaX on July 13, 2014, 07:48:14 AM

I don't think it's fake:

You make interesting points.

I mostly concur, and when I use the word "fake" I also mean it in a nuanced way, ie that the order may have been processed BUT not in good faith.

Someone posted a clause from the supply contract that gives the supplier an effective get-out depending on changing economic conditions, hardship, unforseen circumstances, etc. - normal in a contract but in this case very detailed and long - which IMO will be evoked in 60 days time just before the date the delivery must be made, if 1 Uro has not risen to the market price of a ton of Urea.

The only way to rise the value of URO is to come forth with the goods. Chances are they'll do it, then wait for URO to rise, then sell the URO they have. This way they'll make more money then by scamming people out of whatever little value URO has now.

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http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/uro-appears-to-be-the-real-deal-and-here-is-why

New article on URO!

and retweet this

https://twitter.com/jdebunt/status/488302788561354752

URO should be 0.4 BTC since 1 metric ton of urea is pretty expensive. (around $250-$350)

All the accusations were proven wrong if you read the article and watch the interview with the developers.

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http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/uro-appears-to-be-the-real-deal-and-here-is-why

New article on URO!

and retweet this

https://twitter.com/jdebunt/status/488302788561354752

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Quote from: FoeRest on July 13, 2014, 02:36:38 AM

1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea (proven)

It will be proven when the shipment arrives and it's confirmed. Can't wait for it to happen Tongue

but until then I'll have my doubts.

Quote from: FoeRest on July 13, 2014, 02:36:38 AM

but can someone please explain to me these other alt coins, why are they a good form a money... please explain anyone? I can see why Uro would be a good form of money it is backed by a real commodity and perhaps I can see why people would rather a anoncoin and a faster form of money travel.. but btc is plenty fast and anon for me.

A single blockchain can't handle the global volume of transactions. That's why in the end there will be a bunch of cryptos for commodities, industries, countries, various purposes. I'm not talking about a bunch of altcoins we have now but about the new ones that will be made by people who play the real game.

Quote from: FoeRest on July 13, 2014, 02:36:38 AM

now people think we should go back to the sliver and gold standard.. which guess who owns it all? (remember those cash for gold commercials left right and center) who do you think was buying it up with fiat? king and queens, bankers, not you!

Actually I've been buying some. And I'm not talking about gold IRA or certificates. I'm talking about real physical bullion that I can get my hands on. There were many situations when entities issuing those certificates could not come forth with the physical metals in the end: starting with small-time brokers and ending with certain well-known governments.

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I have written a new URO article,s imply based on the facts :

http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/uro-appears-to-be-the-real-deal-and-here-is-why

Please share it if you think it will be beneficial to URO

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Quote from: Chang Hum on July 13, 2014, 07:42:41 AM

Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:37:56 AM

So what are they going to do with half an entire Seawaymax ocean freighter's capacity worth of materials? Send them in some kind of inefficient manner other than a single shipment with the least amount of shipping containers? Because 600 shipping containers and 20-50% of a Seawaymax vessel's net tonnage is what 12,500 tonnes is representative of.

Why would they needlessly spend more money breaking up the shipment into smaller pieces than that? Each division of a single shipment multiplies both the logistic overhead and cost.

It's ok to apologize and say you were wrong.

Do you even understand the question he's asking? it's quite sensible and it's not about packaging!

Sorry, but you've proven at length that you don't understand this business at all.

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Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:37:56 AM

Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:37:56 AM

So what are they going to do with half an entire Seawaymax ocean freighter's capacity worth of materials? Send them in some kind of inefficient manner other than a single shipment with the least amount of shipping containers? Because 600 shipping containers and 20-50% of a Seawaymax vessel's net tonnage is what 12,500 tonnes is representative of.

Why would they needlessly spend more money breaking up the shipment into smaller pieces than that? Each division of a single shipment multiplies both the logistic overhead and cost.

It's ok to apologize and say you were wrong.

I'm not going to argue with you in this thread since I already saw your post about this being a scam a few minutes ago get either deleted by you or the thread moderator when I refreshed to quote you for it on your latest reply. I don't really know what you're doing here defending things. This thread is a terrible alternative to the mess that the previous one was.

To everyone else: you've had hundred pages of warnings.

Inability to admit you're wrong is a sign of stunted emotional growth.

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So what are they going to do with half an entire Seawaymax ocean freighter's capacity worth of materials? Send them in some kind of inefficient manner other than a single shipment with the least amount of shipping containers? Because 600 shipping containers and 20-50% of a Seawaymax vessel's net tonnage is what 12,500 tonnes is representative of.

Why would they needlessly spend more money breaking up the shipment into smaller pieces than that? Each division of a single shipment multiplies both the logistic overhead and cost.

It's ok to apologize and say you were wrong.

Do you even understand the question he's asking? it's quite sensible and it's not about packaging!

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Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:31:24 AM

So what are they going to do with half an entire Seawaymax ocean freighter's capacity worth of materials? Send them in some kind of inefficient manner other than a single shipment with the least amount of shipping containers? Because 600 shipping containers and 20-50% of a Seawaymax vessel's net tonnage is what 12,500 tonnes is representative of.

Why would they needlessly spend more money breaking up the shipment into smaller pieces than that? Each division of a single shipment multiplies both the logistic overhead and cost.

It's ok to apologize and say you were wrong.

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Quote from: majeis on July 13, 2014, 07:28:46 AM

Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:27:39 AM

Quote from: true-asset on July 13, 2014, 07:04:56 AM

StartJOIN Concept for Urea Crowdfunding: https://twitter.com/UroFoundation/status/488291972277215232

You're going to crowdfund a 12,500,000 kg order?

What are the projected costs on the sending and receiving ends for the shipping and handling of the 600+ 40'-45' shipping containers, the labor for 100+ workers to load and unload, the fleet of semi-trucks, the ships, etc, etc... ?

Things shipped in containers - Not urea.

Way to research, dude.

LOL how do you think things are shipped internationally in large quantities? Cardboard boxes? Bags?

A shipping container is a 45-foot long metal storage container that looks like one of those things behind a semi-truck where the trailer goes.

Way to show your general-knowledge skills, dude.

http://qdxinglu.en.alibaba.com/product/623553468-213625275/urea_container.html

For 12,500 metric tonnes?

Bulk carriers.

You keep up your googling though. I'm sure it'll make you smart some day.

It's saved me from making the gross errors in terminology and judgement that you've made so far.

BZZZT! INCORRECT ANSWER!

You hilariously thought 12,500 tonnes would be shipped in containers.

Literally LOL at you.

So what are they going to do with half an entire Seawaymax ocean freighter's capacity worth of materials? Send them in some kind of inefficient manner other than a single shipment with the least amount of shipping containers? Because 600 shipping containers and 20-50% of a Seawaymax vessel's net tonnage is what 12,500 tonnes is representative of.

Why would they needlessly spend more money breaking up the shipment into smaller pieces than that? Each division of a single shipment multiplies both the logistic overhead and cost.

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Quote from: true-asset on July 13, 2014, 07:31:59 AM

Quote from: true-asset on July 13, 2014, 07:04:56 AM

StartJOIN Concept for Urea Crowdfunding: https://twitter.com/UroFoundation/status/488291972277215232

You're going to crowdfund a 12,500,000 kg order?

What are the projected costs on the sending and receiving ends for the shipping and handling of the 600+ 40'-45' shipping containers, the labor for 100+ workers to load and unload, the fleet of semi-trucks, the ships, etc, etc... ?

Things shipped in containers - Not urea.

Way to research, dude.

LOL how do you think things are shipped internationally in large quantities? Cardboard boxes? Bags?

A shipping container is a 45-foot long metal storage container that looks like one of those things behind a semi-truck where the trailer goes.

Way to show your general-knowledge skills, dude.

http://qdxinglu.en.alibaba.com/product/623553468-213625275/urea_container.html

The Uro Protocol specifies that the Urea N46 is to be supplied in BULK form. This means the product is to be loaded into an open hull cargo ship, like this one:

The Uro Protocol comprehensively specifies all the requirements for the deal to go smoothly, as it did here:

http://greenearthsystems.com.au/world-first-by-green-earth-uro-for-urea/

Whhaaaaaa?

How can this be?

His leet googling skills saved him from making errors.

You must be wrong.

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Uro: 1 URO = 1 metric tonne of Urea N46 fertilizer

Quote from: true-asset on July 13, 2014, 07:04:56 AM

StartJOIN Concept for Urea Crowdfunding: https://twitter.com/UroFoundation/status/488291972277215232

You're going to crowdfund a 12,500,000 kg order?

What are the projected costs on the sending and receiving ends for the shipping and handling of the 600+ 40'-45' shipping containers, the labor for 100+ workers to load and unload, the fleet of semi-trucks, the ships, etc, etc... ?

Things shipped in containers - Not urea.

Way to research, dude.

LOL how do you think things are shipped internationally in large quantities? Cardboard boxes? Bags?

A shipping container is a 45-foot long metal storage container that looks like one of those things behind a semi-truck where the trailer goes.

Way to show your general-knowledge skills, dude.

http://qdxinglu.en.alibaba.com/product/623553468-213625275/urea_container.html

The Uro Protocol specifies that the Urea N46 is to be supplied in BULK form. This means the product is to be loaded into an open hull cargo ship, like this one:

The Uro Protocol comprehensively specifies all the requirements for the deal to go smoothly, as it did here:

http://greenearthsystems.com.au/world-first-by-green-earth-uro-for-urea/

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Quote from: majeis on July 13, 2014, 07:28:46 AM

Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:27:39 AM

Quote from: true-asset on July 13, 2014, 07:04:56 AM

StartJOIN Concept for Urea Crowdfunding: https://twitter.com/UroFoundation/status/488291972277215232

You're going to crowdfund a 12,500,000 kg order?

What are the projected costs on the sending and receiving ends for the shipping and handling of the 600+ 40'-45' shipping containers, the labor for 100+ workers to load and unload, the fleet of semi-trucks, the ships, etc, etc... ?

Things shipped in containers - Not urea.

Way to research, dude.

LOL how do you think things are shipped internationally in large quantities? Cardboard boxes? Bags?

A shipping container is a 45-foot long metal storage container that looks like one of those things behind a semi-truck where the trailer goes.

Way to show your general-knowledge skills, dude.

http://qdxinglu.en.alibaba.com/product/623553468-213625275/urea_container.html

For 12,500 metric tonnes?

Bulk carriers.

You keep up your googling though. I'm sure it'll make you smart some day.

It's saved me from making the gross errors in terminology and judgement that you've made so far.

BZZZT! INCORRECT ANSWER!

You hilariously thought 12,500 tonnes would be shipped in containers.

Literally LOL at you.

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StartJoin crowdfunding listing: https://www.startjoin.com/urea12500
It will be live when StartJoin has integrated URO.

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Quote from: Bitcycle on July 13, 2014, 07:27:39 AM