Topic: Moldova - page 3. (Read 4626 times)
^^^ If Gagauzia declares independence, it will prove to be problematic. It is not a geographically continuous entity, and consists of many exclaves and enclaves. And it shares no common border with Transnistria. So a better idea would be to ensure victory for Voronin's party in the parliamentary elections. For that to happen, Russia needs to do something so that the one million Moldvin voters living in Russia gains there right to vote.
I think Moldovians living in Russia will disagree with you.
In this video the woman gives a very passionate speech during the founding meeting of the commentate of the public representatives of Moldovans living in Russia, asking that Russia does not send Moldovans out as they have nowhere to go intheir own country. She also mentions Voronin, saying that they voted for him before, and now it turns out he's selling the country:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaRTw8f_vs&list=PLFo85AKj-7T1y67qRpkc3NRbJ9tGE8UZv&index=41
More here:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/why-usnatonwo-can-never-defeat-russia/
Also about the use of Russian language by Gagauz, that you made fun of earlier. The fact that various ethnic groups in Moldova prefer to use Russian as common language (even though Russians as an ethnic group there is a minoruty), instead of Romanian, speaks for itself.
I think I will rename this thread to Moldova. Such a topic will be needed soon.
In this video the woman gives a very passionate speech during the founding meeting of the commentate of the public representatives of Moldovans living in Russia, asking that Russia does not send Moldovans out as they have nowhere to go intheir own country. She also mentions Voronin, saying that they voted for him before, and now it turns out he's selling the country:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaRTw8f_vs&list=PLFo85AKj-7T1y67qRpkc3NRbJ9tGE8UZv&index=41
More here:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/why-usnatonwo-can-never-defeat-russia/
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Moldavians living in Russia and the Social-Democratic Party of Moldova are trying to organize 200 polling stations so citizens of Moldova abroad could vote in the November 30 parliamentary elections. The power in the country has been usurped by 3 “democratic” pro-western parties, aided by the corruption of the largest party of Moldova, the Communists and its leader, Vladimir Voronin. People had been supporting Communists because they thought they were pro-Russian, but communists proved that they were just as sold-out (however bizarre it sounds) as the Moldovan ruling pro-western neo-liberal democrats.
So, the present government is refusing the citizens their birth right: 750k-1mln of Moldovan citizens of voting age, who work in Russia, have no possibility of voting in the upcoming election!
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Gagauzia is sure to secede. The Gagauzia autonomy had a referendum in February 2014 in which 97% of citizens voted to join Customs Union and secede from Moldova, unless Moldova also joins Customs Union. Pridnestrovie has been knocking on Russia’s door for a very long while. Its referendum of 2006 also had similar results: about 97% of people voted for re-unification with Russia.
So, the present government is refusing the citizens their birth right: 750k-1mln of Moldovan citizens of voting age, who work in Russia, have no possibility of voting in the upcoming election!
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Gagauzia is sure to secede. The Gagauzia autonomy had a referendum in February 2014 in which 97% of citizens voted to join Customs Union and secede from Moldova, unless Moldova also joins Customs Union. Pridnestrovie has been knocking on Russia’s door for a very long while. Its referendum of 2006 also had similar results: about 97% of people voted for re-unification with Russia.
Also about the use of Russian language by Gagauz, that you made fun of earlier. The fact that various ethnic groups in Moldova prefer to use Russian as common language (even though Russians as an ethnic group there is a minoruty), instead of Romanian, speaks for itself.
I think I will rename this thread to Moldova. Such a topic will be needed soon.
I was going to write about the army in a PS, but you beat me to it. They are guarantors of peace. You see, better "prison" than slaughterhouse. People there still remember the bloodbath unleashed on Transnistria by the (pro-)Romanian-headed clans of Moldova (not unlike in Novorossia by Ukrainians) and the threat has not gone anywhere. That army is the only thing that stops the Moldovan government from gettig inspired by kiev and resuming where they left off in the 90s when Russian peacekeepers intervened. That civil sar, just like the war in Novorosia, didn't get much attention in the Western MSM as it didn' align with US interests (unlike Georgian invasion of South Osetia)
Slaughterhouse... yeah , bloodbath. Probably since you claim that the western media didn't care too much about it you have reading your usual russian sources.
That war was a joke. A joke with dead people killed by drunk mercenaries who even now don't have a clue what they were fighting for.
There are numerous reports in the Romanian press about the soldiers having their own ceasefire at night , getting drunk , waking up in the morning and then shooting at each other again and in the night drinking with the enemy in the memory of the killed ones.
And about the protection , I remember the nut in charge of the 14 army that claimed no less than 27 times (lmao , i bet those were his only words he knew) that his army will reach Bucharest in 2 hours . I personally don't know what russian tank is capable of 300km/h but be it like him.
As for the protection , protection my ass. More russian civilians have died there in the fighting than there were real supporters for the independence.
They wanted independence because before the '89 only Russian were in charge in Moldova occupying high ranks and now with Moldova gaining independence they had to go to do real work not sitting in a chair all day and give orders whit their families enjoying the equality of communism.
I was going to write about the army in a PS, but you beat me to it. They are guarantors of peace. You see, better "prison" than slaughterhouse. People there still remember the bloodbath unleashed on Transnistria by the (pro-)Romanian-headed clans of Moldova (not unlike in Novorossia by Ukrainians) and the threat has not gone anywhere. That army is the only thing that stops the Moldovan government from gettig inspired by kiev and resuming where they left off in the 90s when Russian peacekeepers intervened. That civil sar, just like the war in Novorosia, didn't get much attention in the Western MSM as it didn' align with US interests (unlike Georgian invasion of South Osetia)
I haven't gone to Romania either. But the image of Romania in Norway is: a dump where all these gypsies and thieves that you see begging in the streets come from, and where towns and villages are falling into ruin. A place you shouldn't go to, because you'd get robbed faster than you can blink. So what do I know, maybe your perception of Moldova/Prednestrovjie is equally flawed as our perception of Romania here. 
From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality.
Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall.
From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality.
Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall.
1) No , just because your perception is not flawed
. Don't forget about the dogs. The president of the japanese-romanian business association died bitten by a dog in front of our government building....2) Yeah , uneducated masses who still believe the earth is flat. The same guys that bought communism to the area.
3) As for the last part the russian army did it. Why was there a whole army corp ? Don't start with the bull* about protecting russians cause you know it's false.
I haven't gone to Romania either. But the image of Romania in Norway is: a dump where all these gypsies and thieves that you see begging in the streets come from, and where towns and villages are falling into ruin. A place you shouldn't go to, because you'd get robbed faster than you can blink. So what do I know, maybe your perception of Moldova/Prednestrovjie is equally flawed as our perception of Romania here.
From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality.
Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall.
From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality.
Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall.
The last questions: those 750.000 guest workers that will eventually get kicked out of Russia (especially once Moldova goes the EU way), will need to go somewhere, and it will be Romania.
And to the second point. No, I haven't been there. That's why I find it interesting to to listen to that talk from someone who's been there and has close ties to it.
As for the landfill. Yes, but whose fault is that? If they don't agree with Kishenjov/EU, then starve them, blockade them. Right? Don't listen. Don't cooperate. Don't let them live their own choice in peace. And it's a region that was doing pretty well before the civil war.
PS for those who don't read the previous page of a thread
No , they won't come here. Less than 1% will. The rest will go and search for a job in the EU. The only good point i see in this is that it will make the market more unattractive to north africans and asians.
Second , that's why I asked you to go there.
Transnistria is not in any danger. It a huge prison. And with the remains of the Russian 9th army(?) there it's Moldova who feels in danger.
And sorry , I don't get your last question.
Ever been there? Take a trip if you have time. No words can really describe Transnistria.
If Romania is a landfill then Transnistria is where our garbage is going.
The last questions: those 750.000 guest workers that will eventually get kicked out of Russia (especially once Moldova goes the EU way), will need to go somewhere, and it will be Romania.
And to the second point. No, I haven't been there. That's why I find it interesting to to listen to that talk from someone who's been there and has close ties to it.
As for the landfill. Yes, but whose fault is that? If they don't agree with Kishenjov/EU, then starve them, blockade them. Right? Don't listen. Don't cooperate. Don't let them live their own choice in peace. And it's a region that was doing pretty well before the civil war.
PS for those who don't read the previous page of a thread
An interesting talk about Moldova and Pridnestrovje from someone having ties to the region and following the development there rather closely. The conflict there has been on a slow backburner for quite a long time, even after the Transnistrian referendum for unification with Russia (2006), and is coming to a head now that Poroshenko's coup government has disturbed the fine balance in the region, blockading the republic.
LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac
LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac
You forget about 750.000 migrant workers (often illegal) from Moldova in Russia and about 30% of Moldovan GDP coming from those workers sending money home.
Russia is tightening up immigration and work permit rules, and Moldova is on a black list. Now think about the consequences of those 750000 being sent back. Is Romania ready to issue more residence permits, because there sure is no work to be had in Moldova?
Russia is tightening up immigration and work permit rules, and Moldova is on a black list. Now think about the consequences of those 750000 being sent back. Is Romania ready to issue more residence permits, because there sure is no work to be had in Moldova?
You always said things are changing. So is the moldovean workforce.
From 20 000 workers prior to 2010 there are an estimate of 250 000 working in the EU. And this keeps growing.
In the first days of September 9000 people received their dual citizenship and most of them are planing one thing , go to EU to work. (for a better wage).
Besides , http://www.rferl.org/content/moldova-russia-nationals/25123031.html what you say has already started.
And sorry , I don't get your last question.
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There is not much tears for that from Russia, more like from people of Pridnstrovje. Will the 2006 referendum (>90% for) results be acknowledged? What about 300.000 signatures collected in 2014 and confiscated by Moldovans?
Failed? You are too quick in your judgement. Let's talk about this again in 3-4 years.
Failed? You are too quick in your judgement. Let's talk about this again in 3-4 years.
Ever been there? Take a trip if you have time. No words can really describe Transnistria.
If Romania is a landfill then Transnistria is where our garbage is going.
Almost 500 000 romanian citizenship solved applications in the last two years from a 3.5 million country.
Those are only solved applications and do not count minors.
The numbers tell more than a pro-russian tears crying over a failed Eurasian community.
Those are only solved applications and do not count minors.
The numbers tell more than a pro-russian tears crying over a failed Eurasian community.
You forget about 750.000 migrant workers (often illegal) from Moldova in Russia and about 30% of Moldovan GDP coming from those workers sending money home.
Russia is tightening up immigration and work permit rules, and Moldova is on a black list. Now think about the consequences of those 750000 being sent back. Is Romania ready to issue more residence permits, because there sure is no work to be had in Moldova?
There is not much tears for that from Russia, more like from people of Pridnstrovje. Will the 2006 referendum (>90% for) results be acknowledged? What about 300.000 signatures collected in 2014 and confiscated by Moldovans?
Failed? You are too quick in your judgement. Let's talk about this again in 3-4 years.
The author is actually very astute as has proven to be right on many of her previous observations and write-ups. I referenced her works and articles several times before, by the way. You should listen through the video before making any conclusions, but it's your choice, of course. As I said, it brings the other side of the discussion forth, the one that is not usually portrayed by the Kishenjov/Chisinau ruling top, and which might not reach you in Romania.
And about those that fled that country, she also touches up on that topic as well...
And about those that fled that country, she also touches up on that topic as well...
Almost 500 000 romanian citizenship solved applications in the last two years from a 3.5 million country.
Those are only solved applications and do not count minors.
The numbers tell more than a pro-russian tears crying over a failed Eurasian community.
Btw....
http://www.noi.md/md/news_id/46923
In short reports of russians recruiting training and paying teenagers in Moldova. Why? ....
The author is actually very astute as has proven to be right on many of her previous observations and write-ups. I referenced her works and articles several times before, by the way. You should listen through the video before making any conclusions, but it's your choice, of course. As I said, it brings the other side of the discussion forth, the one that is not usually portrayed by the Kishenjov/Chisinau ruling top, and which might not reach you in Romania.
And about those that fled that country, she also touches up on that topic as well...
And about those that fled that country, she also touches up on that topic as well...
An interesting talk about Moldova and Pridnestrovje from someone having ties to the region and following the development there rather closely. The conflict there has been on a slow backburner for quite a long time, even after the Transnistrian referendum for unification with Russia (2006), and is coming to a head now that Poroshenko's coup government has disturbed the fine balance in the region, blockading the republic.
LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac
Niothor, this might interest you as well, if you want to hear the other (not Romanian) side of the story. Gagauzians are also explained there.
LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac
Niothor, this might interest you as well, if you want to hear the other (not Romanian) side of the story. Gagauzians are also explained there.
You really believe that joke of a video?
Common Nemo. Every time before reading or watching a video about politics I check the previous "works" of the author.
10 minutes in that video and I had to close it. Sorry to say it , but it's a piece of bul***.
And as I said it before. This whole Moldova thing which nobody bothered to discuss 25 years come up only when the Moldoveans started to wonder if it's not better in the EU than in the arms of the bear. Russia is losing it's influence in the region with the new gas pipe and it tries to stir problems.
From my point of view , they can have moth Moldova and Transnistria , only the idiots are left there. The ones with an active neuron have long fled those countries.
An interesting talk about Moldova and Pridnestrovje from someone having ties to the region and following the development there rather closely. The conflict there has been on a slow backburner for quite a long time, even after the Transnistrian referendum for unification with Russia (2006), and is coming to a head now that Poroshenko's coup government has disturbed the fine balance in the region, blockading the republic.
LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac
Niothor, this might interest you as well, if you want to hear the other (not Romanian) side of the story. Gagauzians are also explained there.
LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac
Niothor, this might interest you as well, if you want to hear the other (not Romanian) side of the story. Gagauzians are also explained there.
Niothor, in the wake of our discussion of Moldova, I find that you (and others) will find the following interesting:
Europe’s Faultline: Pridnestrovie and Moldova – Eurasian Union vs EU
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/ladaraylive-2-europes-faultline-pridnestrovie-moldova-eurasian-union-vs-eu/
Europe’s Faultline: Pridnestrovie and Moldova – Eurasian Union vs EU
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/ladaraylive-2-europes-faultline-pridnestrovie-moldova-eurasian-union-vs-eu/
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Moldova and Pridnestrovie – I call them the stepchildren of Europe. The unrecognized Pridnestrovie – PMR (aka, Transnistria or TransDniestria) seceded from Moldova in 1990-1992, following a brutal civil war, and it has been knocking on the door of the Russian Federation ever since. In February 2014 Moldova’s other area, the Gagauzia Autonomy, had a referendum in which citizens voted overwhelmingly to secede from Moldova and join Customs Union with Russia. The new party, “Moldova’s Choice – Customs Union” has been formed in the capital of Moldova, Chisinau (Kishinev), and north Moldovan farmers, who are about to be bankrupted because of sanctions, are on the march. Meanwhile, the Chisinau (Kishinev) politicians and elites continue leading the country into EU. In three months, Moldova will have parliamentary elections. The explosion is coming. Will Moldova turn into another Ukraine? Listen to the very detailed and heartfelt analysis and predictions from Lada Ray, who grew up in those parts and who knows them intimately.
Gagauzia is the a sad joke of a country:
http://www.timpul.md/articol/prima-scrisoare-in-limba-gagauza-baskanul-cauta-traducatori-33597.html
If google translate makes a mess of it this is the main idea:
) The leaders of the Gagauzia state received a letter in their language and they were unable to read it , so they demanded that every official letter comes also with a russian translation
. In the mean time they are looking for translators .And regarding your concern... fighting gin Moldova? Probably when there will be a poor grape harvest .
you are sick man, terminally
you are a moron sick, feel joy and accept the war
you're sick, you're brainwashed brain
Well... let me give a piece of advice to you. You need immediate psychiatric attention, if you think that everyone here other than yourself is "sick". Or are you copy-pasting the same phrase from somewhere?
Niothor, in the wake of our discussion of Moldova, I think that you (and others) will find the following interesting:
Europe’s Faultline: Pridnestrovie and Moldova – Eurasian Union vs EU
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/ladaraylive-2-europes-faultline-pridnestrovie-moldova-eurasian-union-vs-eu/
Europe’s Faultline: Pridnestrovie and Moldova – Eurasian Union vs EU
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/ladaraylive-2-europes-faultline-pridnestrovie-moldova-eurasian-union-vs-eu/
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Moldova and Pridnestrovie – I call them the stepchildren of Europe. The unrecognized Pridnestrovie – PMR (aka, Transnistria or TransDniestria) seceded from Moldova in 1990-1992, following a brutal civil war, and it has been knocking on the door of the Russian Federation ever since. In February 2014 Moldova’s other area, the Gagauzia Autonomy, had a referendum in which citizens voted overwhelmingly to secede from Moldova and join Customs Union with Russia. The new party, “Moldova’s Choice – Customs Union” has been formed in the capital of Moldova, Chisinau (Kishinev), and north Moldovan farmers, who are about to be bankrupted because of sanctions, are on the march. Meanwhile, the Chisinau (Kishinev) politicians and elites continue leading the country into EU. In three months, Moldova will have parliamentary elections. The explosion is coming. Will Moldova turn into another Ukraine? Listen to the very detailed and heartfelt analysis and predictions from Lada Ray, who grew up in those parts and who knows them intimately.
2 - As in any country, especially in an unstable one, there's what is good for the country and its people, and what is good for those, who managed to claw their way to the top positions. These things are divergent. I don't think Moldovans really want to join either Russia or Romania, provided they have a say in how their country is run, but if played "correctly", these people can be divided into warring camps. Divide and conquer.
No, I haven't touched the topic of name-changing. There is too much of it, to suite the political winds. There was some protest at renaming of Stalingrad, and there is a movement for return of that name now. Changing of a name should not be taken lightly, and should not go against the wishes of the people living under that name. I despise Stalin, but I am for the return of the name Stalingrad.
No, I haven't touched the topic of name-changing. There is too much of it, to suite the political winds. There was some protest at renaming of Stalingrad, and there is a movement for return of that name now. Changing of a name should not be taken lightly, and should not go against the wishes of the people living under that name. I despise Stalin, but I am for the return of the name Stalingrad.
Liberation of what?
Sorry but I can't help laughing when you use russian for it... why?
Sorry but I can't help laughing when you use russian for it... why?Chișinău. Happy? Maybe for the same reason English say Crimea and not Krym, Moscow and not Moskva. I can't help laughing when they use english for it... why?
You have to make it more clear.. who wants this , Romania or Moldova , if it's the second I don't see any reason not too.
But I have to say I'm against a reunification right now
Neither, if a referendum was conducted. But I have to say I'm against a reunification right now
Because the veterans of the Soviet Army liberating Moldova now got the same status as those fighting on the side of Germans and Romanians. (Going the same path as Ukraine and Baltic, where the punitive Nazi battalions of the 1940s are the new heroes)
Because the Russian veterans had the same habits of liberating a country and then forgetting the way back.
Here you go again. I said, Soviet, not Russian, don't mix that up, will you - the veterans include Moldavian, as well as representatives of other republics. If Romanians have issues, they should address them to Georgia.
Bottom line is...
Russia has nothing to say in this matter.
It's an internal affair between Romania and Moldova.
Russia has nothing to say in this matter.
It's an internal affair between Romania and Moldova.
The really bottom line is, is an internal affair of Moldova only, not even Romania.
However, as long as a large portion of a population (especially in the East, Transnistria, bordering to the Russian-speaking part of Southern Ukraine) does not want to become Romanian and doesn't want to be forcefully Romanised, then those people will be looking towards Russia for support, just as Moldovians of Romanian descent in the West-Moldova will seek support in Romania. And then there is a wildcard in the form of the gipsies.
1) Probably you haven't realized but I use the word Bucharest not Bucuresti when I write in an English forum
.2) I'm getting confused ... if none wants it who wants it?
3) I don't know any soviet people. I know that a russian army is still located in Transnistria and is still there from 50 years ago
4) Good. Let Moldova decide.And shouldn't Russia stop trying to tell Moldova what it is bets for them also?
PS.
You haven't approach the subject of the name changing.....
Liberation of what? Sorry but I can't help laughing when you use russian for it... why?
Sorry but I can't help laughing when you use russian for it... why?Chișinău. Happy? Maybe for the same reason English say Crimea and not Krym, Moscow and not Moskva. I can't help laughing when they use english for it... why?
You have to make it more clear.. who wants this , Romania or Moldova , if it's the second I don't see any reason not too.
But I have to say I'm against a reunification right now
Neither, if a referendum was conducted. But I have to say I'm against a reunification right now
Because the veterans of the Soviet Army liberating Moldova now got the same status as those fighting on the side of Germans and Romanians. (Going the same path as Ukraine and Baltic, where the punitive Nazi battalions of the 1940s are the new heroes)
Because the Russian veterans had the same habits of liberating a country and then forgetting the way back.
Here you go again. I said, Soviet, not Russian, don't mix that up, will you - the veterans include Moldavian, as well as representatives of other republics. If Romanians have issues, they should address them to Georgia.
Bottom line is...
Russia has nothing to say in this matter.
It's an internal affair between Romania and Moldova.
Russia has nothing to say in this matter.
It's an internal affair between Romania and Moldova.
The really bottom line is, is an internal affair of Moldova only, not even Romania.
However, as long as a large portion of a population (especially in the East, Transnistria, bordering to the Russian-speaking part of Southern Ukraine) does not want to become Romanian and doesn't want to be forcefully Romanised, then those people will be looking towards Russia for support, just as Moldovians of Romanian descent in the West-Moldova will seek support in Romania. And then there is a wildcard in the form of the gipsies.
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