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legendary
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I don't really think it's reasonable for them to delete my post and pretend it doesn't exist, so I've left them some trust feedback to make it visible.
It wasn't deleted to be hidden.  
This is a ridiculous response.

I've edited down the posts to make it easier to be read.

I have no horse in this race, but it makes no sense to delete a post and then say "It wasn't deleted to be hidden"  

Why else would you delete the post?  You deleted it because you didn't want other people to read it.
legendary
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However, there was a legal claim presented in the Canada courts that we need to see through before we move any further. It's unfortunate as I believe we were making some good progress on foundational items, but we (Monster Byte) will need to see how that case ends up before we officially close the deal with MoneyPot.



 

Just curious, how/when did you find out about this legal claim?
legendary
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Please stop.  You are trying to twist things and give them different meanings.  I and Moneypot can't and won't be commenting on these things.  Stop speculating please. 
legendary
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So, if MP Legacy only sold its assets MonsterByte, what happened to the payments MonsterByte made to MP? If the company has any liabilities, any proceeds from the sale of assets should go towards those liabilities rather than to the owners - that's just corporate law works, even in Costa Rica I'm pretty sure. In this case, especially, because the debt had been called prior to the asset sale, meaning MP has an obligation to direct any proceeds from the sale to the owner of their liabilities. Anything else is pretty much just embezzlement...

The merger deal is for equity swapped.  Moneypot legacy is using the income gained from the equity to pay for things such as debt tokens, support for R2B2 in the future, and increased development of Moneypot.  No direct payments were made to the owners.

To add to this, Keeth is correct - there hasn't been any transfer of money to MoneyPot, and it's important to note that we haven't closed the deal yet. The potential deal we have in place is development and marketing support to help MoneyPot realize their vision, as well as restricted equity in Monster Byte assuming certain conditions were made throughout 2018.

Contingent upon our deal was that the old MoneyPot team would make realistic arrangements to settle all their previous liabilities from future revenue of the MoneyPot platform, and solve the Rubies token situation. The proposal that Keeth put out there seemed realistic and in the best interests of anyone that had a vested interest in MoneyPot fixing this situation and moving on under the Monster Byte umbrella. The alternative is that they would fold operations and everyone is left with nothing.

However, there was a legal claim presented in the Canada courts that we need to see through before we move any further. It's unfortunate as I believe we were making some good progress on foundational items, but we (Monster Byte) will need to see how that case ends up before we officially close the deal with MoneyPot.

This thread isn't helping matters, and anything can (and most certainly will) be used in the court system - so this is the last I'm writing publicly on this matter until it's resolved.



 
hero member
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So, if MP Legacy only sold its assets MonsterByte, what happened to the payments MonsterByte made to MP? If the company has any liabilities, any proceeds from the sale of assets should go towards those liabilities rather than to the owners - that's just corporate law works, even in Costa Rica I'm pretty sure. In this case, especially, because the debt had been called prior to the asset sale, meaning MP has an obligation to direct any proceeds from the sale to the owner of their liabilities. Anything else is pretty much just embezzlement...
legendary
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No one was confirming anything.  You are literally trying to dissect words to fit your own meaning.  Please stop speculating.
legendary
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Please stop.  You are trying to twist things and give them different meanings.  I and Moneypot can't and won't be commenting on these things.  Stop speculating please. 

I'm not completely caught up on what's going here, but are you refusing to clarify your statement and asking people not to speculate? 

The only other choice is to just try not to think about it, which obviously isn't going to happen.
legendary
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MoneyPot stiffed investors and players, promises some shit called rubies and dumps their mess on casinobitcoin.
Talk about a brilliant exit plan.
I wonder if casinobitcoin knows/cares about this royal mess they inherited?

casinobitco knows everything and it looks like they made a good deal cause they didnt need to compensate the cheated Investors and RBIES holders



So does casinobitcoin owes the debts or does MoneyPot's old owners?   I would think the new owners take on the debt.
But then again, these guys were asking for their own loan: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17070176
So who knows what will happen to those who are owed.
I have already taken my remaining coins out of casinobitcoin as it just doesn't seem like the most trustworthy company.

thx for the link. yes that looks reallly strange that he needs a loan but it could be that this was the time when Moneypot and Monsterbyte did the deal and he needed the money to pay Moneypot. 30 BTC is not a lot for MP owners or maybe yes cause they dont pay the promised compensations. nice money into their pocket.

IMO Dogedigital is a one man show now because Ranlo is out and AccoinL is so silent that it looks that he is also out. so user moneypot and Dogedigital are same user anyway

Dogedigital loves to scam the Investors and loves to lie and tell stories

Dogedigital deserves a waterfall of red trust. maybe this will stop him
legendary
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Please stop.  You are trying to twist things and give them different meanings.  I and Moneypot can't and won't be commenting on these things.  Stop speculating please. 

You can't comment on if you said something that I've screenshotted you as saying?

How am I twisting anything?  I'm literally quoting you.

You need to stop responding to everything with "please stop speculating".  That's not how it works.  If you aren't going to answer, then don't answer.  But parroting a child-like "Stoooooooooop stooooooooooop" is making yourself and your company look even worse.

Also, you know, it's not speculation to ask you if you said something that you said.  That's not what that word means.  Use a new word.  Look it up first.
newbie
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MoneyPot stiffed investors and players, promises some shit called rubies and dumps their mess on casinobitcoin.
Talk about a brilliant exit plan.
I wonder if casinobitcoin knows/cares about this royal mess they inherited?

casinobitco knows everything and it looks like they made a good deal cause they didnt need to compensate the cheated Investors and RBIES holders



So does casinobitcoin owes the debts or does MoneyPot's old owners?   I would think the new owners take on the debt.
But then again, these guys were asking for their own loan: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17070176
So who knows what will happen to those who are owed.
I have already taken my remaining coins out of casinobitcoin as it just doesn't seem like the most trustworthy company.
legendary
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Another post got deleted.  This one merely quoted two things that DD had just said.

This is getting weird.


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from: Dogedigital on February 04, 2018, 07:45:44 PM
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from: DarkDays on February 04, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
The following statement is an assertion of fact and in no way, shape, or form should be considered speculation:

If a company solicits investments, and then does not pay an investor or investors when they divest, that is very bad. 

I believe your opinion is correct. 

It shouldn't be speculated that this situation happened here however.

Yet you JUST SAID:

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

"Other"

So someone isn't being paid out.

Again, this is not speculation.  You said that if a company doesn't pay an investor when he/she divests, it's a bad company, and you also said that you aren't paying out an investor.


You are not quoting me.  You are drawing conclusions as to what you think happened.  That is speculation.
legendary
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Please stop.  You are trying to twist things and give them different meanings.  I and Moneypot can't and won't be commenting on these things.  Stop speculating please. 

if I am saying that DD is a Scammer is that a speculation or a fact? I am saying it is a fact and you are a stupid Scammer and RHavar was absolutely right to call you a clown and now he is right to call you a Scammer!

DarkDays should also give you some red trust and more users should join in to give you red trust and stop you to scam more users here
legendary
Activity: 1974
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All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
MoneyPot stiffed investors and players, promises some shit called rubies and dumps their mess on casinobitcoin.
Talk about a brilliant exit plan.
I wonder if casinobitcoin knows/cares about this royal mess they inherited?

casinobitco knows everything and it looks like they made a good deal cause they didnt need to compensate the cheated Investors and RBIES holders

legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1189
No one was confirming anything.  You are literally trying to dissect words to fit your own meaning.  Please stop speculating.

What are you talking about?  "Confirming"?  Who is "confirming" and what are they supposed to "confirm"?

Did you or did you not say

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

?
legendary
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You are not quoting me.  You are drawing conclusions as to what you think happened.  That is speculation.

Ok well here are the two quotes:

Being bound by an NDA means that you're explicitly not allowed to reveal all the details.

All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out and all announcements made are on track to come into fruition.

The following statement is an assertion of fact and in no way, shape, or form should be considered speculation:

If a company solicits investments, and then does not pay an investor or investors when they divest, that is very bad.  

I believe your opinion is correct.  

It shouldn't be speculated that this situation happened here however.

So...yeah, I am quoting you.  You said AND I QUOTE:

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

"All of the other players and investors"

"All of the other"

"Other"

"OTHER"

Not "all".  Not "everyone".  "All of the other".

That's what you said.

It's a quote.

There's not even any room for speculation.  You just have to read what you actually wrote.

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

Here's an image just to show there is zero speculation, conjecture, supposition, or whatever the next word you guys are going to misuse  going on:




So I'd like an apology for your lie that I wasn't quoting you.
newbie
Activity: 6
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MoneyPot stiffed investors and players, promises some shit called rubies and dumps their mess on casinobitcoin.
Talk about a brilliant exit plan.
I wonder if casinobitcoin knows/cares about this royal mess they inherited?
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1014
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
Another post got deleted.  This one merely quoted two things that DD had just said.

This is getting weird.


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from: Dogedigital on February 04, 2018, 07:45:44 PM
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from: DarkDays on February 04, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
The following statement is an assertion of fact and in no way, shape, or form should be considered speculation:

If a company solicits investments, and then does not pay an investor or investors when they divest, that is very bad. 

I believe your opinion is correct. 

It shouldn't be speculated that this situation happened here however.

Yet you JUST SAID:

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

"Other"

So someone isn't being paid out.

Again, this is not speculation.  You said that if a company doesn't pay an investor when he/she divests, it's a bad company, and you also said that you aren't paying out an investor.


You are not quoting me.  You are drawing conclusions as to what you think happened.  That is speculation.

LOL DD

DarkDays is taking your words and you as always fucked yourself. this is not a speculation but a fact you yourself confirmed

but as you dont like what he is writing you call it whatever just to delete his posting as you did with mine and RHavar's

DD you are a SCAMMER and you need to get more red trust. one can see that you dont care about red trust cause you stole enough coins from us the Investors. Karma will hunt you down and maybe the name of Karma is Maidenvoyage

thx for coming over here to discuss what you delete in your Scammer thread LOL
legendary
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Another post got deleted.  This one merely quoted two things that DD had just said.

This is getting weird.


Quote
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from: Dogedigital on February 04, 2018, 07:45:44 PM
Quote
from: DarkDays on February 04, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
The following statement is an assertion of fact and in no way, shape, or form should be considered speculation:

If a company solicits investments, and then does not pay an investor or investors when they divest, that is very bad. 

I believe your opinion is correct. 

It shouldn't be speculated that this situation happened here however.

Yet you JUST SAID:

"All of the other players and investors with available balances in Moneypot are being paid out"

"Other"

So someone isn't being paid out.

Again, this is not speculation.  You said that if a company doesn't pay an investor when he/she divests, it's a bad company, and you also said that you aren't paying out an investor.
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1014
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Real good stuff here, been watching this thread ever since it was created. Now my question is, with all these proof and accusations against MP, why hasn't anyone really gone to the scam accusation section and has tagged these guys with much red? Not sure if there was already a SA on them, but only RHavar has tagged them for their activities.

thx for posting

here are my scam accusations long ago

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22227934

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21829632

I gave MP owners red trust long ago and sadly only now RHavar started to give them red trust also

as for now I will repeat myself and shout out that MP owners are Scammers

Well, guess it's the downfall of MP now. I don't think with these kinds of news and reputation about them, anyone investing with them will think twice before they do. Especially with the case maidenvoyage who was not given back the 143 BTC he invested, that is something to be wary about. I do hope that more DT members would realize that these guys from MP aren't doing so well in managing their operations.

not sure if you know that MP owners sold MP business to Monsterbyte but kept the debts and promises they gave to investors and RBIES holders and promised ( as always empty promises) to pay all debts and promises. I dont believe them
legendary
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For reference, here was my post that was deleted:


Being bound by an NDA means that you're explicitly not allowed to reveal all the details.

Ok, fair enough. So let me try establish what has been made public:

* maidenvoyage deposits ~143 bitcoin
* maidenvoyage wants to withdraw
* maidenvoyage is asked to, and agrees to sign an NDA
* maidenvoyage is not able to withdraw
* moneypot will not discuss, citing the NDA

Is this correct? Or am I missing something?


So obviously the full story hasn't been made public, but looks incredibly incriminating on the surface. Especially combined with previously moneypot's recent decision to arbitrarily void it's agreement to buy back rubies.


As it's obvious that maidenvoyage wants to talk publicly and get his money back, would you be willing to suspend the NDA if maidenvoyage also agrees to do so?


I don't really think it's reasonable for them to delete my post and pretend it doesn't exist, so I've left them some trust feedback to make it visible.

It wasn't deleted to be hidden.  The thread clearly stated not to speculate and you did anyways.   It needs to be dealt with by the appropriate channels and you are directly interfering by posting there... speculating.

It was stated multiple times that we cannot go into full details.  There are reasons why.  It is not a simple solution as you seem to believe.



your post will not be deleted here Smiley

in short BS

you should start to be TRANSPARENT!!!

you never will go in full details because you are scamming us Investors and RBIES holders

you deleted legit questions!!!

The reasons were always stated why they were deleted.

It was also explained that there are forces preventing from releasing details.  When these forces are no longer in effect and there is nothing preventing us from doing so, we will. 

do you really think that we are all stupid like shit?

only Scammers are talking like you! get real!


Please stop deflecting.  I am providing reason to the situations and explaining why things are happening. 
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