Topic: 🌟🎲🌟 MoneyPot.com - page 23. (Read 119068 times)

I'd like to know this too, as since it was a 1.08% house edge, the maximum risk should a be ~7 BTC max win.

We are only statistically 10 btc below equity.

Variance has leaned the players' way for the last few days but its not hard to do when several hundred bitcoin is being wagered over the course of minutes in some sessions.

Realistically, Moneypot would prefer a slow and steady investor profit that follows the theoretical expected value of the bets placed but variance can not be tamed.

Any irregular jumps either end up in the players thinking the site is rigged or the investors thinking they're getting swindled.

Luckily though Moneypot has verifiable provable fairness for players and all player stats and bet information is public for investors (we are also working on a blog that shows more detailed logs of big wins so that investors have an easier and more clear picture of whats been going on).

How did this bet got accepted? Bet of 50,000 bits attempted to win 500 bitcoins...
https://www.moneypot.com/bets/631806614

This x100. If investing wasn't risky, nobody would ever need an investment. The whole point behind it is to help lessen the personal risk, otherwise why would you give everyone else guaranteed income when you could have taken it all for yourself? NO investment is guaranteed. Even holding your cash is risky (outside of inflation, which is actually a guaranteed loss, you're risking loss through fire, theft, etc.). There's a saying, "nothing in this world is guaranteed except death and taxes."

Just cause you have 1000BTC to 'invest' doesn't mean you should put it into a gambling site.
I still wonder why people think 'investment' means a guaranteed gain/profit.  Strange to see people put in 1BTC and wonder why they're haven't doubled their money in a week if not having doubled it instantly.

Nottardy was back today.  He only bet some, but did end up losing 1BTC back to MP in the end.

AFAIK that if you have 1000 btc to invest. I know that you will get a lot just from investment without doing anything. Moreover this is what you do in investment of gambling. But if you spend some on gambling too you might get something and get a lot too

Let say nottardy. He suddenly become a big whale after hitting thst big jackpot but do he come back? I dont see him around anymore, instead of coming back he makes a lot from yahoo apps so not all big whale will lose back from what they winning though

We store very little Bitcoin on our server, we only keep a small amount of Bitcoin onsite in a hot wallet to process withdrawals. As to the second part of your question, that comes down to your judgement.

will are bitcoin be safe on you server as don't look the idea of having my coin on a site that I don't control 

Well, I think that constraint needs to be relaxed for fixed-interest investing to make sense.


Let's say I borrowed 1000 BTC from you at 3% interest over a year. I throw that 1000 BTC in my bankroll, knowing that I can attract more action on my site. Even if a whale wins a lot of that money in the short term, he (or someone else) will probably maybe lose it back to the site. If everything goes well after a year, I give you back 1030 BTC and profited from the increased action on my site. If things go badly, I need to refinance the loan or declare bankruptcy.  


It doesn't sound particularly appealing for investors (and even stressing on MP's behalf, as it would effectively imply fractional reserving and needing to worry about bank runs and blah blah), but in the real world there are billions of dollars of loans/investments built on pretty similar principles

Thanks a lot for the pointer.

I remember a few years ago people were asking for the same kind of thing at Just-Dice. I looked into it and saw that it made no sense at all to offer such a thing.

If an investor cannot lose then what use are they to the site? The only reason a dice site wants investors rather than bankrolling it themselves is so that they don't get hurt too badly if the players get lucky. It's a way of spreading the risk. But if you have investors who literally are taking no risk at all, but still taking a profit, they are doing nothing but harming you. They aren't offering any way of spreading the risk, but are taking some of the profits that you could otherwise keep for yourself.

Look at it this way: I want to invest 100 BTC as a guaranteed investment for a year. The site offers me 3% for this. They can't risk using that 100 BTC to pay out winners, because they need to keep it in reserve to pay me back at the end of the year. So how about I just keep the 100 BTC in my own wallet for the year and promise not to spend it. And the site can just send me the extra 3 BTC at the end of the year. That sounds like a good deal to me. Let's make it 1000 BTC instead, and the site can send me 30 BTC at the end of the year.


If the interest doesn't come from other people's funds, where does it come from? If the site makes a profit over the term, it could come from the profit (and less profit would go to the real investors who are willing to take a loss), but what if the site makes a loss over the term? Is the site itself going to cover the interest? Why would the site want to do that when they get nothing out of the deal?


If you're not putting the fixed interest funds into the bankroll how will they grow? Will you be investing them in some other 100% guaranteed profitable investment? If so, why wouldn't I just invest directly in that thing rather than having you do it for me?


So you're an MP investor, making an expected 20 BTC return per year on your 100 BTC investment let's say.

Some guy approaches you (off site) and offers to lend you 5 BTC for a year, at 7.5% interest.

Would you really happily take that loan?

Whether your investment performs well or badly, you end up giving him the 5 BTC back plus 7.5% interest. Either way you are 7.5% of 5 BTC worse off than if you hadn't accepted the loan.

But, you say... You're going to take the 5 BTC at 7.5% and invest it on MoneyPot and make 20% off of it.

Wouldn't you be better off just investing an extra 5 BTC of your own rather than borrowing it at 7.5% interest?  You have an extra 5 BTC hanging around, right? You had better, because you'll need it (plus interest) to pay back the loan if the bankroll gets wiped out.

Alt coin support is coming in API v2

So....how's the Ruby integration coming? We're into November now, which is when you guys said it would be finished. Eager to hear about any updates

Please keep your signature campaign post spam out of this thread. The last several posts clearly state we will not be labeling it as guaranteed.

I think the word guarantee is not suitable for investment. Because investing is indeed risky, but we can lessen the risk if we know how to manage it and use the best strategy and techniques for us to be successful. Well I know we have different understanding so you have your own opinion too.

+34.5BTC in less than 8 seconds

Some asked for a public log of the ~30btc win session earlier.  Here it is:


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The issue with saying "guaranteed" is nothing is guaranteed. Even the money at your bank, backed by the FDIC or another insurance agency, isn't guaranteed, despite how many people like to think it is.

I think the best thing to do here is just to wait until we have everything in place.

However, we will never label it as 'Guaranteed'.  There will always be risks.   

You mean to say, if people invest X amount and your site gives X + some fixed % of interest for a fixed term? Is that correct?

If that it correct then you can call it even guaranteed investment because investors no way they can lose the money in this investment type unless it is different from what I understood.

Fixed investment would be a better term than guaranteed

Editing for clarification so this isn't taken the wrong way: We will not be calling it a guaranteed investment. No investment is guaranteed.