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Good morning guys. I see there is a lot of conversation after my post. Keep up the work!


Now we go back to the conversation


I say as lead dev you should not have a App and not gamble so high you have done at your app. You should know it better the house always win (ahhh wait you are the house )
If there would be no app a few questions would be gone and never ask!



Nice lets see what happens now! Will Not come back? I think you yahoo know what i mean. As a normal gambler with so much luck like Not you CANT stop at this moment you want more becouse you think you are untouchable!


Why the hell posts get edit if you want so transparent as you always say!


My desktop is full of work today and i dont have the time to check everythink.
But its good i get attention at this from other poeples they also start asking unpleasant question

@RHaver thx you are in to and dont let your old baby die from you post i know you know what you are talking about!!

Last but maybe not least if someone start you say investors start to cry becouse they lost so much all i can say to you, i´m not a investor i havent invenst any Sat during this hole think so i lost nothing! i m doing this becouse i like the concept behind MP as a gambler.

Its better to be safe than sorry!

regarding first part of your answer I have to say that my questions are only asked to try to help and I am not pointing at anyone and thx for confirming that it would be also possible for a botter

regarding 2nd question I have to tell you that you misunderstood it completely and I know very well pre rolling gambler's fallacy etc

let me repeat my question and I would appreciate the answer to it cause you MP owner or dev could answer it

but if MP or anyone ( I cant = n00b) can check his betting log on the day he hit 6/6 and he changed to 5/25 and did a 10 sat wager and back to 6/49 then I would have something to tell and it might be helpful

my question is did he do this on the day he hit 6/6 or even the visits after the hit? thx

Technically, and this is purely hypothetical, a second would be enough time if the entire process were automated through a script (script would latch into DB, pull info, figure out client seed, then push a bet to your site or whatever site as if it were a bot). That said, I want to stress that we have found zero traces of breaches anywhere within any of the servers, nor the DB itself. The whole "could they come up with a valid seed" was just a test because we're trying to cover all bases.

Your second question, about doing bets until he feels like he's going to hit... this has done people a lot of good on other sites but is gambler's fallacy. i.e., I remember back in the day when people used to sell pre-loss accounts on JD (not sure if they still do?), where you'll, say, lose 10x in a row at 49.5% and then sell the account to someone who assumes they have a better chance of winning the next since it's more rare to get 11x losses in a row. It was a pretty funny thing at the time, and haven't seen it since it changed to CLAM, but worth noting as gambler's routinely have their own processes/thoughts/"lucky" methods.

that means that my question was not that stupid and I thought it was stupid cause I got no answer
I need just to add now to my question if it was also possible on our Lottery and not only on bubbles
he used at Lottery the bot - would the split sec knowledge work when botting? I am asking cause I was wondering that he changed a few times to 10 sat bets and back to higher wager or to 5/25 and back to 6/49 but I am not sure if it was also on the day he hit the 6/6

but if MP or anyone ( I cant = n00b) can check his betting log on the day he hit 6/6 and he changed to 5/25 and did a 10 sat wager and back to 6/49 then I would have something to tell and it might be helpful

Quote from: RHavar on Today at 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: JackpotRacer on Today at 01:14:08 AM
would you please explain what you mean and what was wrong with DD explanation

I'm not really sure, I don't really understand what he means. With knowledge of the server seed, it probably only takes a few hundred CPU cycles to figure out the required client seed to win. (let x be a random number in the winning range. Then use a client seed of:  (x -serverseed) % 2^32.   Or i mean, if you're lazy and want to brute force a client seed -- there's only 4 billion possibilities, and it's a simple range check, so you can scan the entire range in under a second. But you don't even need to scan the entire range, as there's probably at least 50 possible client seeds (if you're randomly searching) so it's an extremely fast operation.

I understood NotTardy was betting manually at bubbles. would this 1 second check you are describing be enough to know many sure bets or all bets he did? or would he fire some gamble bets with low amounts till he gets the next big bet right? is this a possible scenario?

thx

The tl;dr is that we were overcomplicating it. Ray and Ryan already discussed this in PM and clarified it. What we were doing before that was taking the server seed and randomly generating client ones until one got the result we wanted. Keep in mind this is after hours of combing through other data, analyzing things, responding to numerous requests, etc. We're trying to be as transparent as possible.

Doge's post edit was due to the clarification that there was a better way to get the seed. It was nothing about hiding information or anything, just removing anything that may further cause confusion (being that it was incorrect) by readers.

Don't you just add the client and server seeds together? If so, to "find a match", all you need to do is subtract the server seed from the result you want, and that gives you the client seed (modulo 2^32 or whatever you use). It took me less than 6 minutes to type this. I'm sure you could do the math in less than 6 seconds.


I don't know what to make of this. Surely as site owner you understand how the seeds work. Why did you post that it would take 6 minutes to do something that would take less than a thousandth of a second in reality, and then edit your post when called out on it?

I'm sure people would be very interested to hear your explanation for this.


I've no idea, but since you posted that he has edited his post to completely change its meaning.

Original post:


Replacement post:


"We are opening up as much information as possible" is inconsistent with editing old posts to remove inconvenient information. What's going on, guys?

All ok, only... where i can change layout to "new"?

Server seed is generated on every bet so even if someone had direct access to the database, they would only know the next seed, not any past that.

Great news!

Site updates: auto client seed is now a full range as moneypot outcome range

True, he could also simply use a future server seed,r ight?

Check out our API docs, https://www.moneypot.com/api-docs

Hello,

How can add moneypot to our game?
I want receive MP bets too

I understood NotTardy was betting manually at bubbles. would this 1 second check you are describing be enough to know many sure bets or all bets he did? or would he fire some gamble bets with low amounts till he gets the next big bet right? is this a possible scenario?

thx

I'm not really sure, I don't really understand what he means. With knowledge of the server seed, it probably only takes a few hundred CPU cycles to figure out the required client seed to win. (let x be a random number in the winning range. Then use a client seed of:  (x -serverseed) % 2^32.  Or if you're lazy and want to brute force a client seed -- there's only 4 billion possibilities, and it's a simple range check, so you can scan the entire range in under a second. But you don't even need to scan the entire range, as there's probably at least 50 possible client seeds (if you're randomly searching) so it's an extremely fast operation.


Or let's forget all that, and let's assume that it takes 6 minutes to find a client seed and the player was betting every 3 seconds ...  that means the player has a ~1.6% of finding the seed in between their normal bet. But if they win, they get like a million times their money. Auto-betting with a 1.6% chance of making a million times my bet .... in a few minutes of betting, you're almost guaranteed to hit the jackpot

would you please explain what you mean and what was wrong with DD explanation

thx

all this is telling me (if I understood it right) that NotTardy could not cheat at those apps and I am glad to hear that and yes luck hits wherever whenever and whomever and no one can predict it without a cheat

if I may give my thoughts
when NotTardy came to our app/chat and was talking to a Mod and then to me I was checking his stats and I saw he registered about an hour before. and stats are empty. I was sure according to his talking and questions that he was already at our lottery  and was familiar with it. I have logged the whole conversation. he started then immediately with max 900 sat bets and he didnt ask how the lottery works and started to wager max. each new user at our lottery is asking many questions before he starts to wager. that does not mean that he was cheating but he was hiding behind a new nick.

he did if I recall it right 3 bets on our dice game. and then left to visit Bubbles and again today I am convinced he knew what he is doing and where to go.
the second time he came to our app I was there ( I am many hours there) and watched his game on lottery and he wagered 10 sat = hmm and 150 sat = hmm quite low for a winner of such amounts. then went to bubbles again and won again and wagering high

next visit he wagered again small and wen to bubbles and won again and came back to us and  changed to 5/25 lottery and hit 8 BTC even he could have wager much higher to win more than 8 BTC

today he went straight to bubbles and I watched his play and betting pattern and he won again and visited us and wagering 100 bits to win 4 btc but did not do many bets and he is gone

now I am asking myself and all

why he comes to us Jackpotracer and then to bubbles and again and again?
why did he only 3 bets at our dice game? a test? cause of our seeds? (just saying cause I dont know what he could test)
why did he not go to bit exo? again the seeds?
or to BB?
or Sharp Dice?
or any other app with dice?

I find this very interesting but I dont see any cheat according what DD explained but I am also sure that the user knew our app very well

I hope this helps

Is this a joke or an allusion I'm missing?

sorry placed my answer wrong

ok sounds good then and as I understand the player could not cheat by using the short client seed and MP did not cheat cause the player was winning and not losing

thx

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