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legendary
Activity: 2940
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So anyone who invested in MP when the profit at -70 has now made a nice amount of coins. Grin

I invested 1.36 BTC shortly before the doctors came to visit.

Now I have: 1,362,452.35 bits.

So I've recovered my losses, but not much more. My net profit is 0.18%.
copper member
Activity: 3948
Merit: 2201
Verified awesomeness ✔
So anyone who invested in MP when the profit at -70 has now made a nice amount of coins. Grin
copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
It seems investor is winning the game again now. https://www.moneypot.com/apps/497-investdice shows that bets profit is now -13.5 btc so that should be a good news for investor that he is slowly losing

Site profit is now only -6 btc, but I am not surprised about it TBH. After all, we have seen so many gamblers winning a good amount with martingale and then losing it back, and I don't expect this to be the last case.
Advice to all gamblers: Don't get too greedy.

It is now -4.8. He is way too lucky to get more than 70 btc profit. Too bad he didnt stop, if he stop then that will be a good profit and leave a huge hole for the investor
Looks like it's back up to +5.

Investor profits are at 135 BTC now.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
It seems investor is winning the game again now. https://www.moneypot.com/apps/497-investdice shows that bets profit is now -13.5 btc so that should be a good news for investor that he is slowly losing

Site profit is now only -6 btc, but I am not surprised about it TBH. After all, we have seen so many gamblers winning a good amount with martingale and then losing it back, and I don't expect this to be the last case.
Advice to all gamblers: Don't get too greedy.

It is now -4.8. He is way too lucky to get more than 70 btc profit. Too bad he didnt stop, if he stop then that will be a good profit and leave a huge hole for the investor
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
It seems investor is winning the game again now. https://www.moneypot.com/apps/497-investdice shows that bets profit is now -13.5 btc so that should be a good news for investor that he is slowly losing

Site profit is now only -6 btc, but I am not surprised about it TBH. After all, we have seen so many gamblers winning a good amount with martingale and then losing it back, and I don't expect this to be the last case.
Advice to all gamblers: Don't get too greedy.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 1000
It seems investor is winning the game again now. https://www.moneypot.com/apps/497-investdice shows that bets profit is now -13.5 btc so that should be a good news for investor that he is slowly losing
full member
Activity: 171
Merit: 100
Good network with good amount of trusted gambling sites. I like dustdice very much because it is very friendly on mobile.
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1007
That last line contradicts itself. Are the small bets not much but noise, or would the investors be far worse off without them?

Or does it? I like to think of the small bets like the gentle sound that a fan makes when helping you go to sleep, while getting interrupted by the gang war outside (the big bets).



But being serious, "noise" was probably the wrong word to use. I just meant that the small bets are greatly inflating the total-bet count, which makes the win look a lot less likely than it actually is, all the while actually benefiting investor.

Yeah, you worded that badly. When I read it I was like "how could these small bets be bad for investors?" The important thing for everyone to remember is that the more bets there are, the closer you'll get to the expected profit. 100 bets could swing either way, but 100 million would be a better representation. In this case, some bets just happened to be lucky over a small set. And looking at profit now, it looks like he lost a lot (or someone did).
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
That last line contradicts itself. Are the small bets not much but noise, or would the investors be far worse off without them?

Or does it? I like to think of the small bets like the gentle sound that a fan makes when helping you go to sleep, while getting interrupted by the gang war outside (the big bets).



But being serious, "noise" was probably the wrong word to use. I just meant that the small bets are greatly inflating the total-bet count, which makes the win look a lot less likely than it actually is, all the while actually benefiting investor.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
On this app there's been made:

572102 bets @ 0.0001 BTC (on 2x). 282271 have won, and 289831 lost resulting in a net player loss of 0.756 BTC.  
543899 bets @ 0.0002 BTC (on 2x). 269188 have won, and 274711 lost resulting in a net player loss of 1.1046 BTC
277403 bets @ 0.0004 BTC (on 2x). 137664 have won, and 139739 lost resulting in a net player loss of 0.83 BTC
140016 bets @ 0.0008 BTC (on 2x).   69327 have won, and  70689 lost resulting in a net player loss of 1.08 BTC

This sort of general trend continues, unless you get to the bets that have only been done a few times, where the player(s) have got rather lucky

e.g.

82 bets @ 4 BTC  (on 2x). 45 won, and 37 lost resulting in a net player win of 32 btc
8   bets @ 6 BTC  (on 2x).   5 won, and 3 lost  resulting in a net player win of  12 btc

so actually, the small bets haven't really done much but added a lot of noise. The investors would be far worse off without them Cheesy

That last line contradicts itself. Are the small bets not much but noise, or would the investors be far worse off without them?
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
The deviation from the expected profit is crazy. I could understand it if the site has only a few thousands of bets, but it has over 2.8 millions bets already. How unlikely is it for a site to have an expected profit of 0.98% and to have an actual profit of -1.91% over so many bets?

It's impossible to answer that question if you don't tell me the distribution of the bet sizes.

If all the bets were the same size, it's very unlikely. If 1% of the bets were significantly bigger than the other 99% then it's much more likely, because only 1% of the bets would be significant to the total site profit.

When Just-Dice was running for BTC we had billions of bets and ended up with an actual profit of around 0.35% when the expected profit was 1%. That's because a small percentage of the bets were huge, and they did better than expected. The billions of tiny bets have little to no impact on the bottom line.

On this app there's been made:

572102 bets @ 0.0001 BTC (on 2x). 282271 have won, and 289831 lost resulting in a net player loss of 0.756 BTC. 
543899 bets @ 0.0002 BTC (on 2x). 269188 have won, and 274711 lost resulting in a net player loss of 1.1046 BTC
277403 bets @ 0.0004 BTC (on 2x). 137664 have won, and 139739 lost resulting in a net player loss of 0.83 BTC
140016 bets @ 0.0008 BTC (on 2x).   69327 have won, and  70689 lost resulting in a net player loss of 1.08 BTC


This sort of general trend continues, unless you get to the bets that have only been done a few times, where the player(s) have got rather lucky

e.g.

82 bets @ 4 BTC  (on 2x). 45 won, and 37 lost resulting in a net player win of 32 btc
8   bets @ 6 BTC  (on 2x).   5 won, and 3 lost  resulting in a net player win of  12 btc


so actually, the small bets haven't really done much but added a lot of noise. The investors would be far worse off without them Cheesy


I see. Looking at the stats of only those 4 btc and 6 btc bets, the players are lucky but it is not as improbable as I imagined.
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
The deviation from the expected profit is crazy. I could understand it if the site has only a few thousands of bets, but it has over 2.8 millions bets already. How unlikely is it for a site to have an expected profit of 0.98% and to have an actual profit of -1.91% over so many bets?

It's impossible to answer that question if you don't tell me the distribution of the bet sizes.

If all the bets were the same size, it's very unlikely. If 1% of the bets were significantly bigger than the other 99% then it's much more likely, because only 1% of the bets would be significant to the total site profit.

When Just-Dice was running for BTC we had billions of bets and ended up with an actual profit of around 0.35% when the expected profit was 1%. That's because a small percentage of the bets were huge, and they did better than expected. The billions of tiny bets have little to no impact on the bottom line.

On this app there's been made:

572102 bets @ 0.0001 BTC (on 2x). 282271 have won, and 289831 lost resulting in a net player loss of 0.756 BTC.  
543899 bets @ 0.0002 BTC (on 2x). 269188 have won, and 274711 lost resulting in a net player loss of 1.1046 BTC
277403 bets @ 0.0004 BTC (on 2x). 137664 have won, and 139739 lost resulting in a net player loss of 0.83 BTC
140016 bets @ 0.0008 BTC (on 2x).   69327 have won, and  70689 lost resulting in a net player loss of 1.08 BTC


This sort of general trend continues, unless you get to the bets that have only been done a few times, where the player(s) have got rather lucky

e.g.

82 bets @ 4 BTC  (on 2x). 45 won, and 37 lost resulting in a net player win of 32 btc
8   bets @ 6 BTC  (on 2x).   5 won, and 3 lost  resulting in a net player win of  12 btc


so actually, the small bets haven't really done much but added a lot of noise. The investors would be far worse off without them Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
What happened to the old money pot website where there was a graph and you had to cash out before it crashed?
That domain and website is now known as "bustabit".

You can go to the website to find it again.

Also accounts were carried over to that domain, so it's safe to enter your old username/password =)
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1001
Crypto since 2014
What happened to the old money pot website where there was a graph and you had to cash out before it crashed?
That domain and website is now known as "bustabit".

You can go to the website to find it again.
Ah awesome. The owner gave me 0.028 one time. It was awesome.
I also one a bet of 2 bits x 120. That was fun.
copper member
Activity: 2562
Merit: 2510
Spear the bees
What happened to the old money pot website where there was a graph and you had to cash out before it crashed?
That domain and website is now known as "bustabit".

You can go to the website to find it again.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1001
Crypto since 2014
What happened to the old money pot website where there was a graph and you had to cash out before it crashed?
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
My investment extremely went down, what is happening?

A player on my site InvestDice is currently winning big with his army of bots.

Current site stats:
Bets:   3,119,385
Wagered:   2,375,810,754.30 bits
Bets Profit:   -65,927,146.68 bits (-2.77%)
Expected Profit:   23,359,321.24 bits (0.98%)
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
My investment extremely went down, what is happening?

https://www.moneypot.com/apps/497-investdice

has resulted in about ~73.5 BTC of investor loses and counting  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 2557
Merit: 1886
If the house edge is 1% and the wager is 1 bit then why is the expected value -0.02 bits and not -0.01 bits?

In the display layer, all values are floored to the satoshi. This is so if someone has 1.9 satoshi it shows up as 0.01 bits. Even though it's closer to 0.02 bits, it shows as 0.01 to prevent people trying to withdraw 0.02 (which wouldn't be allowed). Internally MP keeps a lot more precision than that.

So the bet in question has **slightly** less EV than 1 satoshi, so the format function is flooring it, which makes it show  as -0.02.  (Actually that's the reason the values above it aren't displayed nicely, so you can see the precise value)
full member
Activity: 132
Merit: 100
My investment extremely went down, what is happening?
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