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Does Vass still want to develop this project?

Identified? you mean other than Vass?

the company went scam, and all coins were stolen.  that was big news awhile ago.    But your not going to be going there to buy any coins anyhow...its been closed for awhile.

    Look up news for Cryptsy, MTGOX and ...   other similar ones, to know the risk of leaving your coins on an exchange.

Well I really liked that address 2CryptsyBurnLockedForeverxxxxdmvPw. But as mooncoin foundation pointed out for some reason it's not valid. I think I didn't follow the rules for encoding the last bit of the address or something like that. I tried just sending one coin there but there is a validation check in the wallet which stopped me from sending. I posted that without double checking the address would validate. But maybe that would work if the coins we're forced there through a fork, not sure really. I saw another coin that did something similar, I think it was emc .. I was planning on reviewing there code to see how they did it.

So, for clarification, has a new Dev team been identified? I see the plan to send the 62B into an abyss, but what about after this? For full disclosure the reason I ask is because I may be willing to help on the development side, if such is still necessary.

Could you explain? I can not understand, this is a problem with this company, because I was thinking of buying a coin, is it not risky?

Obviously, a claim must disclosure how many coins were lost, and also contain a proof that you really had lost Mooncoins at Cryptsy.
For example, if you sent coins to Cryptsy in 2014, or even in 2015, unfortunately, that doesn't prove that in November, 2015 (when Cryptsy stopped withdrawals) you still had these coins at Cryptsy. An exchange wallet can have coins on the same address even after an user (who deposited coins to this address) sold them.

Could experts confirm that it really takes about 3 decillion years to find a private key for the address above, suggested by mebagger?
If yes, then it really could be considered as a burn address.


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Thank you for the update

■  Important!  If someone wants to claim his/her coins,
again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, it will be mathematically impossible to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.
The ANN thread is not self moderated.
A transparent post (in this ANN thread!) with your claim (which must contain a number of coins and a proof of ownership),
will be a sign of your will to claim your coins.
If you don't post until February, 14, 2018, you automatically agree to burn/freeze your coins.[/b][/size]


What do you have to provide to claim your coins? I have only the transactions from my local wallet to my cryptsy address.

Regarding 62 bil coins:

Mooncoin is an open-source, community-driven project.
People make efforts and the project is growing.
People also own mooncoins and continue buying  them at exchanges.

There could be a simple analogy:
people work together to build a house. They buy bricks etc, also contribute their time, labour, even their reputation sometimes.
There is no company behind, they do it as a community.
Each of them is going to get an apartment in this building in the future.
Suddenly a catastrophe: 30 percent of all bricks stolen.
People were shocked, but they wanted to continue building a house.
They wanted to buy missing bricks and continue.
The court got 10 percent of stolen bricks, but instead of returning them to the community,
the court sold them. Okay, the community bought bricks and decided to continue.
Some people left the project though.
After several years of hard work the house is almost ready.
But suddenly stolen bricks are returned. They are not needed any longer.
Some people even could throw these bricks in windows of new building, to break something with them etc.
But some one could say, look, 30 percent of bricks mean a 30 percent share in your building.
Even people who left, but who bought these bricks several years ago should own 30 percent in your building.
Okay, the community asked people who bought these bricks, and majority told: just throw them away, or make a fireplace with them in the yard.
But some people say: 'what if one person who bought 1 brick or 2 bricks, and even if he/she left many years ago, will claim that he/she should be an owner of apartment in a new building?' They say: 'these are not bricks, these are shares in your house, shares of your appartments! Give to the court 30 percent of your house, and, besides, you have no right to live in it, because the court only could let you enter this house and live, after they will sell 30 percent of your appartments to someone else'.
It's nonsense, by all means.

These 'unofficial' coins don't cost millions. It's the project and people's contribution that cost.
You see already Mooncoin going from 7 Sat to 1 Sat only on expectations that unofficial coins could be dumped.
The perfectly working and liquid at the beginning of January MOON/BTC market is quite inactive now near 1 Sat and, if it drops below 1 Sat, it will mean again a low network hashrate, not listing at big exchanges, a lack of trust to a sub-satoshi coin etc. So, could we say that 'unofficial' coins cost 7 Sat, or 1 Sat per coin, or nothing?

If they were put out of supply by decision of community, they cost nothing indeed.

Obviously, in the situation when there is a lack of understanding crypto and a lack of crypto laws, people may come to wrong conclusions regarding these frozen, unofficial coins.
Legal or not, before judging that, you must get good understanding of crypto and of Mooncoin project, not just saying 'stolen coins', 'court', etc. 'Unofficial' coins which were deliberately moved out of supply must not ruin the project, must not affect the whole community and their rightful owners. Any law is not an abstraction, it aims to defend people, victims, rightful owners. If rightful owners agree to burn them not to ruin the project, not to ruin the numerous and hard efforts of many people (during several years), coins must be burned!

Regarding coins, which were not sent from their exchange in December, Coinexchange yet hadn't responded to my PMs.
It looks like they simply have to restart their Mooncoin wallet (if they really use the latest wallet, the problem was solved by Vassilis weeks ago)
with a -reindex parameter after running a command zapwallettx to solve the issue with stuck txs with low fees.

whats funny, i had mooncoin on cryptsy. not very many.... but i couldnt prove it.  and it wouldnt be worth the effort to try. was very very low amounts.

Hi ,i confirm about agswinner say : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4nleif/will_quantum_computing_be_able_to_hack_bitcoin/

https://www.coindesk.com/quantum-computers-private-keys/

This is a well-known topic, I do not remember now where to find a specific study, instead I remember the calculations  of some mathematicians in bitcointalk forum.
Quantum computer discover the private key in two minutes if you know the public hash, but without an outgoing transaction the store address  is safe for 10000 millennia

Could you post a link to confirm that?

Agree. I don't know what kind of people invest in this coin and expect some mad gain like that.

with all the hash power of Bitcoin for exempla the private key can be discovered after 10000 millennia ....

According to your proposal, it was added to the OP:

■  Important!  If someone wants to claim his/her coins,
again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, it will be mathematically impossible to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.
The ANN thread is not self moderated.
A transparent post (in this ANN thread!) with your claim (which must contain a number of coins and a proof of ownership),
will be a sign of your will to claim your coins.
If you don't post until February, 14, 2018, you automatically agree to burn/freeze your coins.


About trustees, there is a suggestion:

1st trustee - agswinner (he and his friends are the major owners of Cryptsy coins)
2nd trustee - polemarhos (he knows Vassilis in real life and he is in contact with him)
3rd trustee - someone who could confirm that the address, suggested by mebagger (see a post above) is a burn address for Mooncoin (mathematically takes billions years and more to crack).

If you agree, please do something, find an expert who could confirm a burn address, test sending to a burn address etc, don't just wait or there will be no progress.
Mooncoin has no center. It's you who decide things. Post in this ANN thread!

Hello All,

as a early beginner ( 2012- 2013) with mooncoin (sins the genesis of mooncoin) i would like to say this:

i believe in the only good way is to burn them all in sake for the good name of Mooncoin,
 
any one who could claim them has already enough time given to do that,( by law, and trough websites)  for me now that is over,

if we want to go forward with a clean head about those coins !  lets make Mooncoin Great Again with a fresh start,

no more FUD, No more in accurate talks but looking forward with mooncoin,

even now my advice will always be BUY & Hold, and only invest money you can afford to set aside for a while.


lets bring moon back on the charts again !!

We are communicating with Vassilis via polemarhos (he knows him personally).
The consensus amongst legitimate holders of majority of these coins is:
coins must be burned.

Vassilis agreed to burn them, but he needs an official document to do that.
It will not be so fast to prepare that for him.
Also there is a question: to which address to send coins to burn them?
I suggested a burn address earlier, but after that people suggested 2 other burn addresses.
So the community must also come to the consensus about a burn address.
Experts must confirm that the address is really a burn address.
If someone wants to claim his/her coins, again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, no one on this Earth will be able to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.
 

Agswinner suggested in a PM to make a burn address clear for everyone that it is a burn address like 2burnaddressmooncoin....

Mebagger suggested this address:

 
Could experts confirm that it really takes about 3 decillion years to find a private key for the address above, suggested by mebagger?
If yes, then it really could be considered as a burn address.