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agswinner

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Quote from: allsnioc on February 05, 2018, 06:11:17 PM

Quote from: habeas_corpus on February 05, 2018, 06:05:27 PM

Quote from: agswinner on February 05, 2018, 05:34:17 AM

Quote from: Jasperrr on February 05, 2018, 12:10:18 AM

Quote from: Mooncoin_Foundation on February 04, 2018, 08:30:01 AM

We are communicating with Vassilis via polemarhos (he knows him personally).
The consensus amongst legitimate holders of majority of these coins is:
coins must be burned.

Vassilis agreed to burn them, but he needs an official document to do that.
It will not be so fast to prepare that for him.
Also there is a question: to which address to send coins to burn them?
I suggested a burn address earlier, but after that people suggested 2 other burn addresses.
So the community must also come to the consensus about a burn address.
Experts must confirm that the address is really a burn address.
If someone wants to claim his/her coins, again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, no one on this Earth will be able to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.

This is ludicrous. Why isn't Vassilis posting this himself? He is the main developer, he is the current owner of those coins. He should post these updates. I thought you wanted decentralization Mooncoin_Foundation? How can something be decentralized if in fact the ANN is pulling all the strings.

Also, he does not need an 'official document'. In fact, there are barely any laws relating to cryptocurrency; let alone laws regarding the burning of coins. There is no such thing. Nowhere in the world, so neither in V's Greece. He can just burn them whenever he wants, there are no possible official documents.

Also, who is to say that claims are indeed legitimate and not fraudulent?

This is my claim. The determination is “ Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted..”

“
CRYPTSY CRYPTOCURRENCY SETTLEMENT DETERMINATION OF RECOGNIZED CLAIM
DATE: SEPTEMBER 15, 2017
ANDREA ?............CLAIM NUMBER: 630? Huh

?
You submitted a Claim Form in the class action lawsuit styled Brandon Leidel, et al. v. Project Investors, Inc. d/b/a Cryptsy, Paul Vernon, et al., U.S. Dist. Ct. - S.D. Fla. -- Case No. 9:16-cv- 80060-KAM (the “Lawsuit”). Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted, and payment will be issued pursuant to the terms of the Settlement Agreement and Plan of Allocation in the Lawsuit.............. “

this is the easiest way as proof
1) a copy of your claim (only claim accepted)
2) the same documentation sent to the Fed court

Unfortunately... You entered into contract with the court/receiver, in which you gave up your right to make a claim for the coins in return for a settlement. Your settlement comes from the "settlement fund" in which proceeds from the lawsuit are obtained.

Basically... You can't claim both. It is one or the other. You chose to be part of the lawsuit.

Completely right, so why should agswinner have any say on this matter?
And why "who is in charge" in this ANN doesn't know the condition above?

Aren't there lawyers involved that should know these condiions? Isn't Vassilis talking to a lawyer? Are we sure it is a lawyer he is talking to?

What can any of you guys that are in contact with Vassilis tell us as facts that can be proven?

today I met two lawyers, experts in international law, I gave them all the elements to evaluate how to act, it takes time. I spent more than three hours with them and I think we can find a positive solution to the community within this month. Be patient, again, it takes time, I will meet them also in the next days.
Polemarkos told me that he will meet his lawyer tomorrow. Vassilis already has the assistance of his lawyers for some time.

allsnioc

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Quote from: habeas_corpus on February 05, 2018, 06:05:27 PM

Quote from: agswinner on February 05, 2018, 05:34:17 AM

Quote from: Jasperrr on February 05, 2018, 12:10:18 AM

Quote from: Mooncoin_Foundation on February 04, 2018, 08:30:01 AM

We are communicating with Vassilis via polemarhos (he knows him personally).
The consensus amongst legitimate holders of majority of these coins is:
coins must be burned.

Vassilis agreed to burn them, but he needs an official document to do that.
It will not be so fast to prepare that for him.
Also there is a question: to which address to send coins to burn them?
I suggested a burn address earlier, but after that people suggested 2 other burn addresses.
So the community must also come to the consensus about a burn address.
Experts must confirm that the address is really a burn address.
If someone wants to claim his/her coins, again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, no one on this Earth will be able to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.

This is ludicrous. Why isn't Vassilis posting this himself? He is the main developer, he is the current owner of those coins. He should post these updates. I thought you wanted decentralization Mooncoin_Foundation? How can something be decentralized if in fact the ANN is pulling all the strings.

Also, he does not need an 'official document'. In fact, there are barely any laws relating to cryptocurrency; let alone laws regarding the burning of coins. There is no such thing. Nowhere in the world, so neither in V's Greece. He can just burn them whenever he wants, there are no possible official documents.

Also, who is to say that claims are indeed legitimate and not fraudulent?

This is my claim. The determination is “ Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted..”

“
CRYPTSY CRYPTOCURRENCY SETTLEMENT DETERMINATION OF RECOGNIZED CLAIM
DATE: SEPTEMBER 15, 2017
ANDREA ?............CLAIM NUMBER: 630? Huh

?
You submitted a Claim Form in the class action lawsuit styled Brandon Leidel, et al. v. Project Investors, Inc. d/b/a Cryptsy, Paul Vernon, et al., U.S. Dist. Ct. - S.D. Fla. -- Case No. 9:16-cv- 80060-KAM (the “Lawsuit”). Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted, and payment will be issued pursuant to the terms of the Settlement Agreement and Plan of Allocation in the Lawsuit.............. “

this is the easiest way as proof
1) a copy of your claim (only claim accepted)
2) the same documentation sent to the Fed court

Unfortunately... You entered into contract with the court/receiver, in which you gave up your right to make a claim for the coins in return for a settlement. Your settlement comes from the "settlement fund" in which proceeds from the lawsuit are obtained.

Basically... You can't claim both. It is one or the other. You chose to be part of the lawsuit.

Completely right, so why should agswinner have any say on this matter?
And why "who is in charge" in this ANN doesn't know the condition above?

Aren't there lawyers involved that should know these condiions? Isn't Vassilis talking to a lawyer? Are we sure it is a lawyer he is talking to?

What can any of you guys that are in contact with Vassilis tell us as facts that can be proven?

habeas_corpus

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Quote from: agswinner on February 05, 2018, 05:34:17 AM

Quote from: Jasperrr on February 05, 2018, 12:10:18 AM

Quote from: Mooncoin_Foundation on February 04, 2018, 08:30:01 AM

We are communicating with Vassilis via polemarhos (he knows him personally).
The consensus amongst legitimate holders of majority of these coins is:
coins must be burned.

Vassilis agreed to burn them, but he needs an official document to do that.
It will not be so fast to prepare that for him.
Also there is a question: to which address to send coins to burn them?
I suggested a burn address earlier, but after that people suggested 2 other burn addresses.
So the community must also come to the consensus about a burn address.
Experts must confirm that the address is really a burn address.
If someone wants to claim his/her coins, again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, no one on this Earth will be able to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.

This is ludicrous. Why isn't Vassilis posting this himself? He is the main developer, he is the current owner of those coins. He should post these updates. I thought you wanted decentralization Mooncoin_Foundation? How can something be decentralized if in fact the ANN is pulling all the strings.

Also, he does not need an 'official document'. In fact, there are barely any laws relating to cryptocurrency; let alone laws regarding the burning of coins. There is no such thing. Nowhere in the world, so neither in V's Greece. He can just burn them whenever he wants, there are no possible official documents.

Also, who is to say that claims are indeed legitimate and not fraudulent?

This is my claim. The determination is “ Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted..”

“
CRYPTSY CRYPTOCURRENCY SETTLEMENT DETERMINATION OF RECOGNIZED CLAIM
DATE: SEPTEMBER 15, 2017
ANDREA ?............CLAIM NUMBER: 630? Huh

?
You submitted a Claim Form in the class action lawsuit styled Brandon Leidel, et al. v. Project Investors, Inc. d/b/a Cryptsy, Paul Vernon, et al., U.S. Dist. Ct. - S.D. Fla. -- Case No. 9:16-cv- 80060-KAM (the “Lawsuit”). Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted, and payment will be issued pursuant to the terms of the Settlement Agreement and Plan of Allocation in the Lawsuit.............. “

this is the easiest way as proof
1) a copy of your claim (only claim accepted)
2) the same documentation sent to the Fed court

Unfortunately... You entered into contract with the court/receiver, in which you gave up your right to make a claim for the coins in return for a settlement. Your settlement comes from the "settlement fund" in which proceeds from the lawsuit are obtained.

Basically... You can't claim both. It is one or the other. You chose to be part of the lawsuit.

c4f3b4b3

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Quote from: daniel634 on February 04, 2018, 06:13:40 AM

Hello what news about V can any body say whats going on some updating would be nice please

It seems that the only reliable information there is at the moment can only be found on Telegram or Discord. I'd like to understand who is the owner of this thread? The tweet https://twitter.com/MooncoinItalia/status/960155223078600705 simply sucks and confuses anyone who owns MOON.

allsnioc

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Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 05:17:39 PM

Quote from: allsnioc on February 05, 2018, 04:09:40 PM

Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 03:30:51 PM

oh sorry.. maybe u dont have that translation...

Stated means... 'spoken, or put forth in writing (in this case)'

So... help me to understand this:

a group of people here want to make a decision on burning/sending/whatever coins basing it on statements (without proof) of other people?

Is this a correct interpretation?

If not please show me the truth.... It seems that since you know english better than me you have also all the wisdom!!!

i was trying to be nice. as i thought perhaps you didnt get the general meaning of that word!

sry for me trying to be helpful.

----------------------------

Burning the coins is the plan, as far as i know.

Look to the legal docs of the cryptsy thing, if your interested.

You have a strange way of being helpful.

Still not answering the questions but so helpful to point out useless things.

Have a great day you and your pals

giantkin

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Quote from: allsnioc on February 05, 2018, 04:09:40 PM

Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 03:30:51 PM

oh sorry.. maybe u dont have that translation...

Stated means... 'spoken, or put forth in writing (in this case)'

So... help me to understand this:

a group of people here want to make a decision on burning/sending/whatever coins basing it on statements (without proof) of other people?

Is this a correct interpretation?

If not please show me the truth.... It seems that since you know english better than me you have also all the wisdom!!!

i was trying to be nice. as i thought perhaps you didnt get the general meaning of that word!

sry for me trying to be helpful.

----------------------------

Burning the coins is the plan, as far as i know.

Look to the legal docs of the cryptsy thing, if your interested.

giantkin

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Quote from: Jasperrr on February 05, 2018, 04:50:53 PM

Also, I find it extremely bothersome that Vassilis still hasn't posted himself and some unknown individual by the name Mooncoin_Foundation communicates in his name. Unlike many of the leaders of the Discord community, MCF completely hides his identity. The first thing to do is disclose your identity.

Secondly, I've read several statements that Agswinner gets to sign documents and decide on what to do as he owns the majority of the coins. We had a discussion a few months ago where all of you agreed that we should not give more power to people holding more coins. Every member of the community should have an equal vote. That's what you have said. Now, you're going up against your own points of view.

ugh...

it was about his own coins. nothing more.

(again from what i read in this topic)

he said he wanted to burn his own coins too.

Jasperrr

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Also, I find it extremely bothersome that Vassilis still hasn't posted himself and some unknown individual by the name Mooncoin_Foundation communicates in his name. Unlike many of the leaders of the Discord community, MCF completely hides his identity. The first thing to do is disclose your identity.

Secondly, I've read several statements that Agswinner gets to sign documents and decide on what to do as he owns the majority of the coins. We had a discussion a few months ago where all of you agreed that we should not give more power to people holding more coins. Every member of the community should have an equal vote. That's what you have said. Now, you're going up against your own points of view.

allsnioc

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Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 03:30:51 PM

oh sorry.. maybe u dont have that translation...

Stated means... 'spoken, or put forth in writing (in this case)'

So... help me to understand this:

a group of people here want to make a decision on burning/sending/whatever coins basing it on statements (without proof) of other people?

Is this a correct interpretation?

If not please show me the truth.... It seems that since you know english better than me you have also all the wisdom!!!

giantkin

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oh sorry.. maybe u dont have that translation...

Stated means... 'spoken, or put forth in writing (in this case)'

giantkin

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I didnt.

i said, thats what was Stated.

allsnioc

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Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 01:41:14 PM

this wasnt about sending the coins to anyone.

   it was just about burning all, unless someone had a claim pending...

  you cant burn those ones. have to wait until the court crap was done.

(well thats what i got out of the conversation)

agswinner stated, that even tho he had a claim in..... he was ok with burning his coins.

   he's the only one i know of, that stated they had a claim.

I didn't see any document that proves that agswinner owned even 1 moon so why are we assuming he does?

giantkin

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this wasnt about sending the coins to anyone.

   it was just about burning all, unless someone had a claim pending...

  you cant burn those ones. have to wait until the court crap was done.

(well thats what i got out of the conversation)

agswinner stated, that even tho he had a claim in..... he was ok with burning his coins.

   he's the only one i know of, that stated they had a claim.

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Quote from: agswinner on February 05, 2018, 05:34:17 AM

Quote from: Jasperrr on February 05, 2018, 12:10:18 AM

Quote from: Mooncoin_Foundation on February 04, 2018, 08:30:01 AM

We are communicating with Vassilis via polemarhos (he knows him personally).
The consensus amongst legitimate holders of majority of these coins is:
coins must be burned.

Vassilis agreed to burn them, but he needs an official document to do that.
It will not be so fast to prepare that for him.
Also there is a question: to which address to send coins to burn them?
I suggested a burn address earlier, but after that people suggested 2 other burn addresses.
So the community must also come to the consensus about a burn address.
Experts must confirm that the address is really a burn address.
If someone wants to claim his/her coins, again: please post in this ANN thread (before coins are burned),
because after coins are burned, no one on this Earth will be able to get them.
You must be able to prove that you are a legitimate owner of coins which you claim.

This is ludicrous. Why isn't Vassilis posting this himself? He is the main developer, he is the current owner of those coins. He should post these updates. I thought you wanted decentralization Mooncoin_Foundation? How can something be decentralized if in fact the ANN is pulling all the strings.

Also, he does not need an 'official document'. In fact, there are barely any laws relating to cryptocurrency; let alone laws regarding the burning of coins. There is no such thing. Nowhere in the world, so neither in V's Greece. He can just burn them whenever he wants, there are no possible official documents.

Also, who is to say that claims are indeed legitimate and not fraudulent?

This is my claim. The determination is “ Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted..”

“
CRYPTSY CRYPTOCURRENCY SETTLEMENT DETERMINATION OF RECOGNIZED CLAIM
DATE: SEPTEMBER 15, 2017
ANDREA ?............CLAIM NUMBER: 630? Huh

?
You submitted a Claim Form in the class action lawsuit styled Brandon Leidel, et al. v. Project Investors, Inc. d/b/a Cryptsy, Paul Vernon, et al., U.S. Dist. Ct. - S.D. Fla. -- Case No. 9:16-cv- 80060-KAM (the “Lawsuit”). Your Claim Form and supporting documentation have been accepted, and payment will be issued pursuant to the terms of the Settlement Agreement and Plan of Allocation in the Lawsuit.............. “

this is the easiest way as proof
1) a copy of your claim (only claim accepted)
2) the same documentation sent to the Fed court

Yea no, this accepted claim does not hold up. You indeed need to send all the documentation sent to the Fed Court that proved you did indeed own some of the coins. Also, ALL PROOF needs to be disclosed to the general public. We cannot condone sending coins from the frozen wallet to claimees, without disclosing their documented claims. Otherwise it's too easy for V or anyone else to commit fraud.

I see allsnioc shared the same concerns. I also second his question, if V is indeed getting legal representation, he should most definitely state the name of his lawyer.

Quote from: allsnioc on February 05, 2018, 05:55:10 AM

Who is going to decide who should get their coins back?
Is is you Mooncoin_Foundatoin that will decide that a claim is legit? Is it Vassilis?

And if at the end you don't publish all the claims how can people know that this is not a scam and that you did to make sure to redirect most of the 62B to your own wallets?
And why is the deadline 14 February?
And why is there no name of the lawyer that is supposedly taking care of this?

To everyone: be smart and don't expose your personal information, no one is going to give you back your Cryptsy coins. If they do it is to hide a scam.
If the federal court can't do such thing for sure the "disappeared" dev Vassilis and the anonymous "Mooncoin_Foundation" account can't do so.

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Quote from: paulus59 on February 05, 2018, 12:24:27 PM

oke guys ,

here is the only right way to get your money back from the Cryptsy deal trough this website by law : http://www.cryptsysettlement.com/
you can read there all about this lawsuite .

and as you can see here : https://cryptsysettlement.worldsecuresystems.com/submit-a-claim The deadline to submit your claim has passed.

you can not get it back by all other things/ claims, ect are bringing up here,

so let me give you here a legal warning about spending those coins to people who are also claiming here,
settlements are been made people have received payments, if the same people claiming here mooncoins then they are scamming by a mistake and ends with a possible lawsuite

as i say in earlier post : the best clean way is to burn all coins , and move on with it !!! NO MORE FUD and Accusations to anyone !
no coins must be given out and then burn as stated above only trough the website you can claim your coins, otherwise no change...

if mooncoin wants to be alive and wants to move forward : BURN ALL 62billion Mooncoins At once !!!

make it clean smooth and fast , then move on back to business !!!!!

Well said. This ann is not a court. Burn the coins and move on.

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oke guys ,

here is the only right way to get your money back from the Cryptsy deal trough this website by law : http://www.cryptsysettlement.com/
you can read there all about this lawsuite .

and as you can see here : https://cryptsysettlement.worldsecuresystems.com/submit-a-claim The deadline to submit your claim has passed.

you can not get it back by all other things/ claims, ect are bringing up here,

so let me give you here a legal warning about spending those coins to people who are also claiming here,
settlements are been made people have received payments, if the same people claiming here mooncoins then they are scamming by a mistake and ends with a possible lawsuite

as i say in earlier post : the best clean way is to burn all coins , and move on with it !!! NO MORE FUD and Accusations to anyone !
no coins must be given out and then burn as stated above only trough the website you can claim your coins, otherwise no change...

if mooncoin wants to be alive and wants to move forward : BURN ALL 62billion Mooncoins At once !!!

make it clean smooth and fast , then move on back to business !!!!!

allsnioc

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Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 10:47:03 AM

if you go back a few MORE pages....

V has received various threats, if he burns them... etc.

and probably threats if he doesnt as well.

So, someone comes in, and helps... gets threats. would you jump to an action or wait.

I'd wait.

Ok, so we should trust whoever comes here that says he talks on behalf of V?
You make no sense.

If V received threats he should:
1) go to a lawyer
2) proof he was threated
3) make his lawyer talk on his behalf and not agswinner or mooncoin_foundation or polemarhos888 or any other guy

Anyway I see this discussion is not going anywhere. I am out, have fun with this mess.

giantkin

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if you go back a few MORE pages....

V has received various threats, if he burns them... etc.

and probably threats if he doesnt as well.

So, someone comes in, and helps... gets threats. would you jump to an action or wait.

I'd wait.

allsnioc

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Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 10:34:05 AM

Quote from: allsnioc on February 05, 2018, 09:30:20 AM

Quote from: giantkin on February 05, 2018, 09:25:42 AM

the funny points are:

you are against AGSwinner and moon_F and...i forget...

however, you also...want to burn the coins....

s o why are you arguing?

(this same discussion seems to be every few days, by someone else)
its tiring.

(i am a paranoid. I can be talking to someone, and they yell boo, and ill jump lol)

(attacks are saying things like...'everyone else is smart enough, but not you')

im heading out to work.

ttyl

If you quote someone please quote exactly the same words... I never wrote 'everyone else is smart enough, but not you'.

And I am not against AGSwinner and moon_F ... I am against this bullshit move of proclaiming themselves those who can decide who is worthy of being "refunded" posting here a claim. Please read again my messages before quoting or trying to summarize things I said.

i wasnt quoting. just letting you know what it looked like from my perspective.

its difficult not to say things like that. i probably do it as well.

Perspective. thats how everything rolls.

Ok, now that everything is clear that you have your perspective and therefore you interpret what I write how you want (you have all the right to do so as long as you don't quote me wrong)....
can we get back to the main discussion and can someone of those that will do the burn answer to my questions?
I will not rewrite them... just go back 1-2 pages...

Only one question: why is Vassilis not saying anything from his account and everything is done from other anonymous accounts? Huh

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