It's also in the wrong place for a belly button, which are found on the belly. That hole is just inferior of the intercostal arch, over the liver. Bet it hurt like hell.
Topic: MORE THAN A DOZEN REPORTEDLY KILLED IN SHOOTING AT OREGON COMMUNITY COLLEGE (Read 5698 times)
October 09, 2015, 01:48:06 PM
As an EMT I have treated bullet wounds and that looks like a bullet wound to me.
It's also in the wrong place for a belly button, which are found on the belly. That hole is just inferior of the intercostal arch, over the liver. Bet it hurt like hell.
It's also in the wrong place for a belly button, which are found on the belly. That hole is just inferior of the intercostal arch, over the liver. Bet it hurt like hell.
October 09, 2015, 06:12:10 AM
every 2 minutes, someone is injured by a drunk or drunk driver. ( government statistics). We need stricter alcohol laws. Stupid people carry guns, and stupid people drink too much. Guns are not bad unless they get in the hands of one of these stupid people
although i believe that if a person wants to own a firearm, they should be allowed to, people should be required to go through much more than a course or a background check before being allowed to purchase a firearm. however, i dont think this comparison with alcohol is really valid here; alcohol is more or less accepted in today's society, and i dont expect much debate to come out of the topic, whereas guns are an incredibly controversial topic, even more so now with the shootings. 
October 08, 2015, 10:27:38 PM
every 2 minutes, someone is injured by a drunk or drunk driver. ( government statistics). We need stricter alcohol laws. Stupid people carry guns, and stupid people drink too much. Guns are not bad unless they get in the hands of one of these stupid people
October 08, 2015, 05:26:02 PM
How come the shooter did not target an NRA club or a police station? Because: too many guns. Those p.o.s. are cowards, but not stupid.
I am going to have to quote myself, I guess: When it comes to these kinds of shootings, it seems to mostly take place somewhere that the shooter wants to direct anger at.
If I remember correctly, he did attend that university. Reminds me of shootings like the one army base that was shot up twice... by the people who had been stationed there.
Now, I would like to (again) state that the security should have had at lease one well-trained official with access to a gun. But the university is not, and never was a gun-free zone. I don't think it would have played a role, and I will agree with you that those P.O.S. cowards are not stupid enough to run into NRA clubs and police stations guns blazing. Does that mean that we should have every school, university and theater to be filled with people with firearms? Because that's a "solution" that I think would yield bad results.
October 08, 2015, 03:19:25 PM
No. I did not know that. Although he could not really respond legally anyway. He said he was "quite a distance away from the building the shooter was in". Your CC licenses does not give you the right to respond to a crime, only protect yourself and others from a threat "in your immediate presence".
Moving to the threat and shooting could be called murder.
Yes, of course. I'm only pointing out the flaw in saying that the shooter targeted the university because it was a place where no firearms were allowed. When it comes to these kinds of shootings, it seems to mostly take place somewhere that the shooter wants to direct anger at. He also had a very important thing to say, something along the lines of "the responders could have confused me for the shooter", something I think is likely to happen in crowded places as well. That's something that helps show that "only a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun" narrative pushed by lobbyist isn't as important. There was a stat about the vast majority of (mass?) shootings ending before the police (or any "good guy with a gun") interfere. I cant find it, though I found this article about shooting stopped by people on-site.
I understand it's for self-defense, not stopping people from committing crimes. But then, that talking point about the "good guys with guns" always comes up. Sadly, we do need armed campus security, but they have to be careful to have the people protecting the students from that threat be properly trained. Have them know how and when to use it.
How come the shooter did not target an NRA club or a police station? Because: too many guns. Those p.o.s. are cowards, but not stupid.
October 08, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
No. I did not know that. Although he could not really respond legally anyway. He said he was "quite a distance away from the building the shooter was in". Your CC licenses does not give you the right to respond to a crime, only protect yourself and others from a threat "in your immediate presence".
Moving to the threat and shooting could be called murder.
Yes, of course. I'm only pointing out the flaw in saying that the shooter targeted the university because it was a place where no firearms were allowed. When it comes to these kinds of shootings, it seems to mostly take place somewhere that the shooter wants to direct anger at. He also had a very important thing to say, something along the lines of "the responders could have confused me for the shooter", something I think is likely to happen in crowded places as well. That's something that helps show that "only a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun" narrative pushed by lobbyist isn't as important. There was a stat about the vast majority of (mass?) shootings ending before the police (or any "good guy with a gun") interfere. I cant find it, though I found this article about shooting stopped by people on-site.
I understand it's for self-defense, not stopping people from committing crimes. But then, that talking point about the "good guys with guns" always comes up. Sadly, we do need armed campus security, but they have to be careful to have the people protecting the students from that threat be properly trained. Have them know how and when to use it.
October 07, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
Father of Oregon Shooting Victim: We Will Not Be Attending Obama’s Exploitive Gun Control Visit…
Tomorrow President Obama is scheduled to visit Rosenburg, Oregon, where 10 people were killed last week at Umpqua Community College by a deranged killer who happened to use a gun to carry out his crimes.
We've already reported on the repulsed reaction from the community as people who live there continue to reject Obama's visit. Now Stacy Boylan, the father of shooting victim Ana Boylan, is directly speaking out against Obama's visit and has no interest in putting up with his exploitation of the tragedy for political purposes.
"I do believe it was Rahm Emanuel who said 'Never let a good tragedy go to waste,' and I really feel that his [Obama] visit here is to completely to support his gun control agenda. I can't understand why he wouldn't make a mention of the families and the victims. I mean, he did say that it was a tragic incident and I do thank him for lowering the flags but he made it all about gun control. He was very clear about that and we saw this in Sandy Hook and now we're seeing it again and I just question his motives," Boylan said. "I've spoken to my family and for myself and for my family, my daughter and son, on principle I find that we are in disagreement with his policies on gun control and therefore we will not be attending the visit."
"My position on this is that gun free zones are an issue, they're a target for crazy people because they know they're not going to be met with resistance. You know, my daughter said to me, 'What if somebody would have had a gun?' Gun free and gun control takes that option off the table. Somebody doesn't have to use their gun in defense, but to take that option entirely, I don't think that's the right course," he continued.
Boylan said his daughter is recovering from her physical injuries and is still processing what happened.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/10/07/father-of-oregon-shooting-victim-obama-is-visiting-for-his-gun-control-agenda-not-for-us-n2062550
October 07, 2015, 10:25:49 PM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
Unless you are a security guard, with no gun, on that campus.
You know in fact that at least one student was armed?
John Parker, a 36-year-old military veteran, was on campus during the tragic and terrifying Oregon mass shooting at Umpqua Community College Thursday, and he was carrying a concealed handgun. But in interviews after the incident, he explained why he did not attempt to intervene and take down the killer himself.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2465730/oregon-shooting-john-parker-armed-vet-on-ucc-campus-says-shooting-killer-would-have-been-bad-idea/#MSsKO5jL92azrurR.99
Anyways, I will recognize that the security personnel should be trained in firearm use and should have access to one should such an emergency go down. I do think that it's not exactly necessary for campus security to be armed 24/7, but that's debatable.
Moving to the threat and shooting could be called murder.
in addition, there is also this:
"Parker also noted that the SWAT team on the scene could have easily mistaken him, or anyone else with a drawn weapon, for a shooter — a mistake which likely would have resulted in police shooting him.
“If we had our guns ready to shoot they could think we were the bad guys,” Parker said in the interview."
this guy did the smart thing; even if he did manage to charge in there without having the SWAT mistake him for the shooter, he likely could have made the situation worse by intervening.
October 07, 2015, 05:23:09 PM
Video: Mainstream News actually used Sandy Hook footage for their coverage of this Oregon shooting
Sandyhook white sign in the image, and "Chris Harper Mercer" on the channel 5 info on the bottom....
Sandyhook white sign in the image, and "Chris Harper Mercer" on the channel 5 info on the bottom....
October 07, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
Unless you are a security guard, with no gun, on that campus.
You know in fact that at least one student was armed?
John Parker, a 36-year-old military veteran, was on campus during the tragic and terrifying Oregon mass shooting at Umpqua Community College Thursday, and he was carrying a concealed handgun. But in interviews after the incident, he explained why he did not attempt to intervene and take down the killer himself.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2465730/oregon-shooting-john-parker-armed-vet-on-ucc-campus-says-shooting-killer-would-have-been-bad-idea/#MSsKO5jL92azrurR.99
Anyways, I will recognize that the security personnel should be trained in firearm use and should have access to one should such an emergency go down. I do think that it's not exactly necessary for campus security to be armed 24/7, but that's debatable.
Moving to the threat and shooting could be called murder.
October 07, 2015, 08:53:45 AM
October 06, 2015, 11:09:37 PM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
Unless you are a security guard, with no gun, on that campus.
You know in fact that at least one student was armed?
John Parker, a 36-year-old military veteran, was on campus during the tragic and terrifying Oregon mass shooting at Umpqua Community College Thursday, and he was carrying a concealed handgun. But in interviews after the incident, he explained why he did not attempt to intervene and take down the killer himself.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2465730/oregon-shooting-john-parker-armed-vet-on-ucc-campus-says-shooting-killer-would-have-been-bad-idea/#MSsKO5jL92azrurR.99
Anyways, I will recognize that the security personnel should be trained in firearm use and should have access to one should such an emergency go down. I do think that it's not exactly necessary for campus security to be armed 24/7, but that's debatable.
October 06, 2015, 11:26:24 AM
Video: Facebook For Idiots: "Super Hero" Chris Mintz Fooled America For A "Merry Christ Mess".
"The Umpqua College Shooting Hoax has really upset me this time and for a fraud (insert Chris Mintz here) to take everyone's money and run from a weak on-line crowd sourcing sight really bothers me and I have to expose a fraud hoax affiliated with Facebook and GoFundMe on top of an American gun control shooting hoax agenda. "
"The Umpqua College Shooting Hoax has really upset me this time and for a fraud (insert Chris Mintz here) to take everyone's money and run from a weak on-line crowd sourcing sight really bothers me and I have to expose a fraud hoax affiliated with Facebook and GoFundMe on top of an American gun control shooting hoax agenda. "
October 06, 2015, 11:25:18 AM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
Unless you are a security guard, with no gun, on that campus.
October 06, 2015, 11:15:12 AM
Roseburg, OR Residents Organize Protest Against Obama’s Visit: “Defend Roseburg – Deny Barack Obama”
The anointed one his majesty king 0bama and the White House have announced a Friday arrival in Roseburg, Oregon in the wake of Oct 1st's horrific tragedy at UCC.
Polarizing as usual, Mr 0bama has insisted on politicizing the event as a conduit for increased executive orders on gun control via means of his pen, and his phone.
This blatant disrespect of the victims families, the community and the town of Roseburg, Mr 0bama's administration is flying not just the 747 that is airforce one to Oregon, but a three helicopter team of Sikorsky's that make up HMX-1, known as Marine one to travel to Roseburg at the taxpayers expense.
We need a lot of people. Please come show your support for Roseburg, not the little man who has no respect for the constitution.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1642689462646090/
October 06, 2015, 11:11:50 AM
Roseburg Beacon Publisher: Obama WILL NOT Be Welcomed at Umpqua College Funerals
Published on Oct 5, 2015
David Jacques, publisher of the Roseburg Beacon, told Bill O'Reilly on Monday that the people of Roseburg would not welcome Barack Obama if he came to town to politicize the funerals of the Umpqua College shooting victims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-fS9SBLTGk
October 05, 2015, 07:14:36 PM
Roseburg resident Says Obama Not Welcome After UCC Shooting Remarks
October 05, 2015, 06:59:16 PM
Maybe. I don't know if we agree on what the source of the problem is. But if there is over-prescription of drugs or something that should be addressed. But why is regulation a problem? Doesn't it already happen in some ways? For example is it legal for people to have rocket launchers and stuff like that?
Yes there is a lot of regulation on guns. That's why it's silly to be debating taking away the guns from people who follow the law like it solves anything. The criminals still get guns.
But hey, it's not about people LIKING our controlling their lives so we get the maximal cash and good stuff from them. Think in terms of herding the cattle. How would that work if the cattle all had guns and could shoot each other? Or even worse, if they decided to shoot us?
October 05, 2015, 06:33:53 PM
Maybe. I don't know if we agree on what the source of the problem is. But if there is over-prescription of drugs or something that should be addressed. But why is regulation a problem? Doesn't it already happen in some ways? For example is it legal for people to have rocket launchers and stuff like that?
Yes there is a lot of regulation on guns. That's why it's silly to be debating taking away the guns from people who follow the law like it solves anything. The criminals still get guns.
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