....For example didn't australia have a big problem with guns too until they restricted who could get them?
No. They played the emotional card after a single grisly event, in order to take away all the guns.
Topic: MORE THAN A DOZEN REPORTEDLY KILLED IN SHOOTING AT OREGON COMMUNITY COLLEGE - page 2. (Read 5698 times)
October 05, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
They played the emotional card after a single grisly event, in order to take away all the guns.
October 05, 2015, 05:25:03 PM
So we agree the problem is people who are mentally unstable. The United States obviously have more crazy people (which could arguably be because of the pills/side affects and other things). Because if someone is crazy and wants to kill people, they won't stop because they can't get guns. They'll get something else.
I don't know if america has more crazy people than other countries. And maybe they would use something else to kill others. But not having easy ways to do it helps.
This guy went crazy and didn't want to kill people but wanted to destroy some buildings:
"Marvin Heemeyer was an American welder and an automobile muffler repair shop owner most known for his rampage with a modified bulldozer. Outraged over the outcome of a zoning dispute, he armored a Komatsu D355A bulldozer with layers of steel and concrete and used it on June 4, 2004 to demolish the town hall, the former mayor's house, and other buildings in Granby, Colorado. The rampage ended when the bulldozer got stuck in the basement of a Gambles store he was in the process of destroying. Heemeyer then killed himself with a handgun." (link) - https://youtu.be/PZbG9i1oGPA?t=5m38s
People are inventive. If there's a need (in their crazy minds) then they will find a way to do something about it.
"Marvin Heemeyer was an American welder and an automobile muffler repair shop owner most known for his rampage with a modified bulldozer. Outraged over the outcome of a zoning dispute, he armored a Komatsu D355A bulldozer with layers of steel and concrete and used it on June 4, 2004 to demolish the town hall, the former mayor's house, and other buildings in Granby, Colorado. The rampage ended when the bulldozer got stuck in the basement of a Gambles store he was in the process of destroying. Heemeyer then killed himself with a handgun." (link) - https://youtu.be/PZbG9i1oGPA?t=5m38s
People are inventive. If there's a need (in their crazy minds) then they will find a way to do something about it.
Not everyone can get an armored bulldozer. Inventive ways to kill people are harder than picking up a gun and shooting.
I don't know about Australia's guns. I do know some people in other countries feel like sitting ducks because they can't protect themselves from the crazy people now.
Criminals will still be able to get guns. We should solve the problem from the beginning not try to bandage wounds.
Criminals will still be able to get guns. We should solve the problem from the beginning not try to bandage wounds.
Maybe. I don't know if we agree on what the source of the problem is. But if there is over-prescription of drugs or something that should be addressed. But why is regulation a problem? Doesn't it already happen in some ways? For example is it legal for people to have rocket launchers and stuff like that?
October 05, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Uh, nope. It's not the guns. It's the people who are crazy who need help.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
Can crazy people or drugs be blamed for it all? Don't other countries have the same problems but with less people being killed like that?
Most of them, yes. Rarely do you see someone who's mentally healthy and not taking drugs go on a mass-murder spree. Even the president is saying to stop allowing those who have mental issues from getting guns. That's where the problem lies, but it's not the cause, it's a symptom.
I don't expect sane people would do things like this. But other countries have crazy people too. They just don't have an easy way for people to get guns. And maybe it's a symptom like you say but wouldn't some regulation help stop this problem? Looks like that is better than nothing.
So we agree the problem is people who are mentally unstable. The United States obviously have more crazy people (which could arguably be because of the pills/side affects and other things). Because if someone is crazy and wants to kill people, they won't stop because they can't get guns. They'll get something else.
This guy went crazy and didn't want to kill people but wanted to destroy some buildings:
"Marvin Heemeyer was an American welder and an automobile muffler repair shop owner most known for his rampage with a modified bulldozer. Outraged over the outcome of a zoning dispute, he armored a Komatsu D355A bulldozer with layers of steel and concrete and used it on June 4, 2004 to demolish the town hall, the former mayor's house, and other buildings in Granby, Colorado. The rampage ended when the bulldozer got stuck in the basement of a Gambles store he was in the process of destroying. Heemeyer then killed himself with a handgun." (link) - https://youtu.be/PZbG9i1oGPA?t=5m38s
People are inventive. If there's a need (in their crazy minds) then they will find a way to do something about it.
The cause is that we have so many mentally unstable people in the country who snap. Most people are on a drug or 2 and side effects happen also. But I think it's partly because Big Pharma is pumping them out and doctors are getting kick backs and no one wants to solve issues, they want to curb symptoms, so that they'll keep making money.
Don't know if that is the source of the problem. For example didn't australia have a big problem with guns too until they restricted who could get them?
I don't know about Australia's guns. I do know some people in other countries feel like sitting ducks because they can't protect themselves from the crazy people now.
Criminals will still be able to get guns. We should solve the problem from the beginning not try to bandage wounds.
October 05, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
Uh, nope. It's not the guns. It's the people who are crazy who need help.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
Can crazy people or drugs be blamed for it all? Don't other countries have the same problems but with less people being killed like that?
Most of them, yes. Rarely do you see someone who's mentally healthy and not taking drugs go on a mass-murder spree. Even the president is saying to stop allowing those who have mental issues from getting guns. That's where the problem lies, but it's not the cause, it's a symptom.
I don't expect sane people would do things like this. But other countries have crazy people too. They just don't have an easy way for people to get guns. And maybe it's a symptom like you say but wouldn't some regulation help stop this problem? Looks like that is better than nothing.
The cause is that we have so many mentally unstable people in the country who snap. Most people are on a drug or 2 and side effects happen also. But I think it's partly because Big Pharma is pumping them out and doctors are getting kick backs and no one wants to solve issues, they want to curb symptoms, so that they'll keep making money.
Don't know if that is the source of the problem. For example didn't australia have a big problem with guns too until they restricted who could get them?
October 05, 2015, 04:28:27 PM
Uh, nope. It's not the guns. It's the people who are crazy who need help.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
Can crazy people or drugs be blamed for it all? Don't other countries have the same problems but with less people being killed like that?
Most of them, yes. Rarely do you see someone who's mentally healthy and not taking drugs go on a mass-murder spree. Even the president is saying to stop allowing those who have mental issues from getting guns. That's where the problem lies, but it's not the cause, it's a symptom.
The cause is that we have so many mentally unstable people in the country who snap. Most people are on a drug or 2 and side effects happen also. But I think it's partly because Big Pharma is pumping them out and doctors are getting kick backs and no one wants to solve issues, they want to curb symptoms, so that they'll keep making money.
October 05, 2015, 03:54:38 PM
Uh, nope. It's not the guns. It's the people who are crazy who need help.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
Can crazy people or drugs be blamed for it all? Don't other countries have the same problems but with less people being killed like that?
Obama will probably address the public, then shortly later he'll push for stricter gun control any time a mass shooting happens...Times like these, I don't feel politics should necessarily be involved, but protocols like damn security guards being unarmed should be reviewed.
He did not even waited that long... What a sad president.It's like this every time. He doesn't address the public to mourn the deaths of the people, he does it so he can push for stricter gun control. He finds the need to turn everything to a political event the day after the shooting instead of address those who died or offering condolences.
There is what? 1 mass shooting a week? When should he talk about possible solutions? I never got the american fascination with guns. Are you safer because of them? Or have more freedom of speech than other western countries because of weapons?
He's been talking about possible solutions, forever now. He seems to take these "address the public" speeches to no longer mourn or inform the public, but rather create political pushes for gun control. After Sandy Hook, it seems nothing will happen anymore.
Didn't he say that exactly? That he was tired of giving the same speech every time it happened. And that he was going to keep on pushing for a solution instead. Don't know if he is doing all he can to solve the problem. But not even talking about it and ignoring there is a problem is worse. And is this right: https://www.rt.com/usa/317469-mass-shootings-frequent-usa ? 1 mass shooting a day, where 4 or more people are killed? That's insane.
October 05, 2015, 03:03:31 PM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
Unless you are a security guard, with no gun, on that campus.
October 05, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
Unless you are a security guard, with no gun, on that campus.
October 05, 2015, 10:14:58 AM
What is wrong with people that can't live with others who think differently? Sad. At least we have the right to carry protection against these nuts.
October 05, 2015, 10:07:38 AM
I think the US really need to sort out their gun laws, this kind of stuff happening in the most powerful country in the world is awful!
Gun Control is the need of the Hour. It should be implemented without any delay.
Uh, nope. It's not the guns. It's the people who are crazy who need help.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12592897
October 05, 2015, 06:42:51 AM
Gun Control is the need of the Hour. It should be implemented without any delay.
October 04, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
I think the US really need to sort out their gun laws, this kind of stuff happening in the most powerful country in the world is awful!
October 04, 2015, 06:36:07 PM
When CNN starts showing Photoshopped images to create a story, I would hope the world would start boycotting their news. Why would anyone keep watching them as if they're telling you the truth?
I love watching CNN.
1) in a war of attrition it's crucial to know the enemy position, how it format and digest the message before vomiting it into the brain of the dead brain collective that it controls.
2) better, even, is to see them FALL, nothing will be sweeter
3) as a pure enemy chanel, I love to see that FREEDOM OF THE PRESS IS GUARANTED
4) I love to see non humans working for money
5) it trains my resistance to stupidity, insult, blasphemes, lies, manipulation, indoctrination, and teach me to stay calm in the face of such assault
6) with one button, they are gone.
7) the graphics, animations are nice
I love to see stupid people struggle in total cognitive dissonance, unable to understand what is going around them9) it's fun
10) the music is good
11) even better is what they omit, lie by omission is my favorite
12) their locution is excellent (compared to a potus that can't make a speech with falling, pathetic btw)
13) and worst of me, it's a brand that will be saved once the take over is done, it's great battlefield for competing interest trying to influence idiots
.ahaha. 0 respect for them.
Long Live the MIC, Guardians of the C and BoR.
my advice: turn your tv off, and come on bitcointalk have good great fun discussion on any subject your want with real PEOPLE. you will learn more, you will not be passive, you will enjoy more, and ultimately be FREE, and even better once your activity is enough be rewarded in BTC
. October 04, 2015, 03:49:01 PM
Oregon Shooter Made Christians Crawl, Shot Girl After Making Her Beg For Her Life
The Oregon shooter who killed nine and injured nine ordered a girl to beg for her life before shooting her anyway, a survivor recalls.
Chris Harper-Mercer prefaced his murderous rampage by handing an envelope to one boy, told him to stand in the corner and said ‘you’re the lucky one’.
However, his mercy extended no further.
In a chilling account from 18-year-old survivor Lacey Scroggins, Harper-Mercer turned to one girl and said he would spare her if she begged for her life. As she pleaded, he shot her.
The 26-year-old killer also ordered his Christian classmates to crawl into the middle of the room to be shot dead, Scroggins’ father, Pastor Randy Scroggins, revealed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259489/Oregon-shooter-ordered-girl-BEG-life-shot-pleaded-survivor-recalls.html
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Father's killer father of the year: "Not enough gun control made him do this..."
the "jihad" is for pikers.
October 04, 2015, 03:46:45 PM
Oregon Shooter Made Christians Crawl, Shot Girl After Making Her Beg For Her Life
The Oregon shooter who killed nine and injured nine ordered a girl to beg for her life before shooting her anyway, a survivor recalls.
Chris Harper-Mercer prefaced his murderous rampage by handing an envelope to one boy, told him to stand in the corner and said ‘you’re the lucky one’.
However, his mercy extended no further.
In a chilling account from 18-year-old survivor Lacey Scroggins, Harper-Mercer turned to one girl and said he would spare her if she begged for her life. As she pleaded, he shot her.
The 26-year-old killer also ordered his Christian classmates to crawl into the middle of the room to be shot dead, Scroggins’ father, Pastor Randy Scroggins, revealed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259489/Oregon-shooter-ordered-girl-BEG-life-shot-pleaded-survivor-recalls.html
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Father's killer father of the year: "Not enough gun control made him do this..."
October 04, 2015, 02:51:50 PM
to impose the path of forgiveness on other is wrong. to forgive is beautiful.
but :
full me once shame on you, full me twice shame on me.
and:
once is enough.
the true christian martyrdom: accept to be hurt, raped, assaulted, tortured, etc with your children (multiple times), killed and do nothing about it.
the path of (to) the cross.
but :
full me once shame on you, full me twice shame on me.
and:
once is enough.
the true christian martyrdom: accept to be hurt, raped, assaulted, tortured, etc with your children (multiple times), killed and do nothing about it.
the path of (to) the cross.
October 04, 2015, 02:11:01 PM
Oregon congregants forgive the killer who targeted Christians
[...]
Two days earlier, the pastor had counseled families of the victims, and one day earlier, he had prayed with survivors as they rode on a school bus to retrieve their belongings from the crime scene. Now it was Saturday morning, time to lead his church, and pastor Lonnie Wibberding stepped in front of his small congregation and bowed his head.
“We now know that this was an attack on all of us here,” he said…
“Prayer is what we need,” one congregant said, quoting from a text message she had just received from the mother of a shooting victim.
“I want to pray for all people who hate Christians,” another congregant said.
[...]
Moore had been a member of an Adventist congregation for most of her life. Her faith had helped to sustain her through several divorces and a recent health crisis, friends said. Now those same friends wondered whether her faith had also played a role in her death.
“Those people who stood up, they are the bravest people in the world,” said Sonia Gagliano, a congregant who had left her Writing 121 class at Umpqua moments before the shooting began. “I hope I would have stood up. I hope we can all stand up now.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/04/oregon-congregants-forgive-the-killer-who-targeted-christians/
October 04, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
Funny how people always beleive what they see or read kn the news. When most news channels have been proven too be liars and never tell the whole story. Its almost like they work for our govenment and are told what they can and can not tell in the news. I watch the news for local things larger things I would rather see or dig deeper into see what may be behind the rest of the shit. Ya just never know nowadays.
"Almost like"? How about they can and do. How the NDAA Allows US Gov to Use Propaganda Against Americans
October 04, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
Oregon Shooter's Father Blames Guns, Not Son, For Umpqua Murders
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He's the father... What else could he have said? "Sorry for my son's action? I ask forgiveness from the families"..?
Of course not. I guess he is blaming the mom... Father of the year.
October 04, 2015, 11:29:54 AM
Funny how people always beleive what they see or read kn the news. When most news channels have been proven too be liars and never tell the whole story. Its almost like they work for our govenment and are told what they can and can not tell in the news. I watch the news for local things larger things I would rather see or dig deeper into see what may be behind the rest of the shit. Ya just never know nowadays.
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