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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

This is a general forum that promotes freedom of speech and everyone is free to express himself based on personal experience or other learning experience. If you ask ten gamblers the same question I am sure that you might have five to six different answers. Hence your gambling experience is different from mine which is why you will not get the same response. Nobody is discouraging people from gambling but the truth should always be told. It is possible to have consistently wins for a long period but you and I know that sometimes you lose your bet. There are sometimes you become so unlucky that you might win nothing for months but we always hope that the future will be better that's why we keep gambling.

The qualities OP listed are very important in gambling. Every gambler needs to be disciplined by having a plan on how to manage time and money. Without learning and improving on betting skills gamblers might not be able to win bets. Having and strictly following a gambling budget will limit uncontrollable gambling thereby reducing the chances of bankruptcy.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If anyone wants to profit on gambling then he/she should keep away on slot games since this game is purely based on luck especially those high volatility slot game like Hacksaw. I lose a lot of money on slot even though I rarely play it but sometimes I won big too that makes me just breakeven or in minor loss. Skills on gambling is only applicable some games like sportsbet, poker and blackjack while the rest of the gambling games is based on luck which is almost impossible to become successful in profit in the long run.

I really like the optimistic part because that's what I always do before I gamble to maintain my cool headed mind. Gambling is not a money maker but an entertainment maker. it's really possible to make money here but there's always a chance to lose it all at some point because the RTP of the game will always kicks in.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

[....]I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge.

What do you mean by "consistently making profit"? You have to be more specific if that means winning every bet or staying in profit every week or every month.

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Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

Yes there are some but at what percentage of the total gambling population? There's nothing wrong with being optimistic but you cannot really make an argument for the extreme minority. The chances of losing in the long run is high so it would be more practical to just say that upfront so the new gamblers know what they are getting into. If they are still interested after that then they can be guided with the basics.

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Quote from: Frankolala on November 24, 2023, 09:58:04 AM

The reason why I said that they are not successful is because, they might end up using the money to gamble again and wouldn't invest to in order to make them use the money wisely. They will believe that they still still more funds to win and they will be carried away with their greed. It is very hard to see a successful gambler because gambling is based more of luck that skills.

Yeah it's because they don't have skill.

There's a big difference between a poor person receive $1 Million at once without any effort and a poor person receive $10,000 every month with high effort. The first poor person isn't have an ability to manage his money, so he will use that money for anything that he likes. While the second poor person can change his life because he know it's hard to make money and careful to use his money.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

Are these the guarantees gamblers can make consistent profit gambling? To be disciplined minimizes the risk of bankruptcy, because the gambler isn't going to play more than he can afford to lose. But to be responsible, plus skilled don't change the fact this is a game of luck, with an enhancer against the gambler, that is the house edge, which prevents the player from overcoming the casino on long term. This is a simple math concept which do really forbids gamblers from winning consistently. You can't deny or go against facts. If it worked like you said, there would be many more winners here sharing their personal experiences.

What can happen is a gambler to be very lucky to hit a huge prize at once, so he will be in profit for the rest of his life, if he manages the earned sum wisely and efficiently. In every cases, it has nothing to do with consistent winnings along several gambling sessions. It's an event once in a million, let's say.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

First of all, gambling is based on luck and you can't constantly be lucky. It's based on luck because long-term, with traditional gambling, you are going to lose, you only profit when you win jackpot and then isolate yourself from gambling, so, you need luck! House Edge and RTP give casino an advantage over time, just pure mathematics, numbers, you can't enhance your skill in any way to beat slot machine. I just wonder, how are you going to beat it? What kind of skill will help you to get the desired result 777? None.

Just because you wear a signature of casino, that doesn't mean you have to play devil's advocate. No, I don't say casinos are evil or something like that, I am just saying that gamble for fun, that's all. Don't think that you don't have to work and can make a successful career in gambling, no, it's not engineering or sport. If people were to constantly make money from gambling, casinos wouldn't exist.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

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It's not that there aren't any people who became successful at gambling, it's just that the chances are abysmally low if you consider the huge amount of gamblers out there that there's no point in trying to chase it especially if you consider how the only chance you got being increased is the amount of money you have. The richer you are, the higher the chances (or tries really) that you have to make it big with gambling and at that point, why even bother gambling since you're already rich?

And I guess for tips, it's really just bankroll management. You can't exactly sway the odds in gambling casinos, so it's just how you try to spend money while earning. In sports, it can be a lot easier though since it's based on games outside of luck. It mostly comes down to knowing and reading the game itself. I'd 100% recommend sports on people who budget money, and just pure luck type of games if you can and have the budget for it.

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There are things you still need to understand about gambling.. being optimistic is not on the side of gambling the main thing is accept reality about gambling. Don't quote me wrong neither I am my quoting you badly rather you are misunderstanding something here, if will asked do you know that this consistent gambling is what actually gives births to addictive gambling?
Yes this is true, as a gambler whenever you always optimistic about the positive outcome you would be tempted to regularly gamble because of trying to break the house of either a higher out come causing to lose hence you don't have any options than to go borrow to gamble. Everyone has a general overview of how they understood gambling rather making someone to have this belief they would make it from gambling or as they constantly gamble they would win, although this depends on personal choice and hunger to make it out through gambling.

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OP, you must force people to believe that they can use gambling to be successful because it is very rare to see a successful gambler. Recently I have a colleague at work who won $10000 in sportbets and he is keeping it as a secrete because he doesn't want any one to ask him for funds. Only this has convinced me that one can win big with gambling, but this doesn't mean that they have become successful in life.

The reason why I said that they are not successful is because, they might end up using the money to gamble again and wouldn't invest to in order to make them use the money wisely. They will believe that they still still more funds to win and they will be carried away with their greed. It is very hard to see a successful gambler because gambling is based more of luck that skills.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling.

The disbelief is because many of them have tried to have the believe that they can consistently win when they gamble, so that believe motivates them to keep trying to gamble, and they keep loosing because of no strategy, no skills. You cannot have just the believe that you will consistently win from gambling, and then do not make any effort to try to develop a strategy and skill for it.

You can consistently win from gambling if just as there is the believe, there is an equal energy to match up to what is required for it, which is a good strategy and improved skills.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 24, 2023, 08:16:54 AM

Sports betting is distinct because it involves real players in actual play; it doesn't rely on an algorithm like a game designed and created by a casino. Therefore, when you have skills, you should avoid games that are solely reliant on luck.

Sports betting requires skills as well as luck, to be honest, you can make shit tons of money only if the underdog beat a champion side or what you call the odds. I mean you need to bet on a team with an odd of 5.69 playing against a team with an odd of 1.21 in a sport it won't happen every day and when that happens you need to bet on that underdog which all comes to the point of luck.

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It isn't bad to be optimistic to make a profit in gambling. I have a friend who is very lucky in gambling and is making it as his source of income while we were still college students back then. It was very helpful for him because he can survive with his daily winnings. He was able to buy his necessities and his wants without having to rely much on his allowance, which made me think that if you are just really knowledgeable, skilled, and lucky enough, you will really make a profit in gambling. Of course, resources play a role too. So maybe it was his initial deposit that paved way to consistent profit.

While I can attest it can indeed work for some, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will work for everyone. Take it with a grain of salt that not everyone can be your forte. Some might make money and even be successful in gambling, while some won't. And that is the reality we can't really control. People have different experiences, financial status, strategies, skills, knowledge, and luck. So it will really vary depending on your approach. If someone badly wants to continuously make money from gambling, of course it will not be easy. It will take time and experience as well as guidance from other gamblers.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge.

People who are interested in gambling and have gained a great deal of expertise and information about the game are the ones who express disbelief in the idea of generating consistent profit from gambling. As a result, they don't think it's possible to make money from gambling consistently. Although some people make money from gambling, I don't believe that anyone makes money from it consistently. Gambling is a game of probability and luck, and even if players take into account every possible circumstance to improve their odds of winning, they can never be guaranteed a 100% win rate.

Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

Naturally, a lot of people profit from gambling, and nobody is stopping anyone from doing so. However, you must realise that frequent gambling will only turn you into an addict, and gambling addiction is what we are all battling since it has led to the downfall of countless gamblers who are still attempting to overcome it.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

Your suggestion is that people can go underwater for 30 minutes straight with no equipment, yes it's possible and done by one or two individuals it doesn't mean it's an ideal situation for everyone that rule is what applies here too. You can make money in gambling which is true but making money from gambling consistently isn't possible or least from my personal experience.

I won't suggest anyone to to start gambling if they are looking for a way to make money.

I think youre not welcome here bro. Same as me haha but I agree with you. The odds in gambling are designed to favor the house, and many people experience significant losses. We shouldnt carelessly encourage enyone to try gambling just to earn stable income. It is possible yes to earn a lot of money in gambling but it is not for everyone and no one should try it with the money that they cannot afford to lose.

It favors the house, but that doesn't mean they'll win all the time. Even in sports betting, there's a house edge, but it's still up to you to mitigate that edge. When you choose odds like 1.99 and below, there's already a house edge, as your 100 will only yield a win of 99.

Sports betting is distinct because it involves real players in actual play; it doesn't rely on an algorithm like a game designed and created by a casino. Therefore, when you have skills, you should avoid games that are solely reliant on luck.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

All people are not on the same page, not everyone can win consistently. There are a few people who can be profitable in gambling; however, most people have a bad experience like having more losses or having debts that they can no longer afford to pay. Posts you have seen giving advice and saying no to gambling, especially to newbies, probably have that kind of experience. The kind of gamblers who can't give the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance their skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase their chances of winning. The reason I can see behind that is because all these skills are being built by an individual experience, the more you gamble, the more you are capable of creating your own strategy to win. But we all know, and we must always remember that a strategy built from your own experience does not always accurately be effective for other people.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

Your suggestion is that people can go underwater for 30 minutes straight with no equipment, yes it's possible and done by one or two individuals it doesn't mean it's an ideal situation for everyone that rule is what applies here too. You can make money in gambling which is true but making money from gambling consistently isn't possible or least from my personal experience.

I won't suggest anyone to to start gambling if they are looking for a way to make money.

I think youre not welcome here bro. Same as me haha but I agree with you. The odds in gambling are designed to favor the house, and many people experience significant losses. We shouldnt carelessly encourage enyone to try gambling just to earn stable income. It is possible yes to earn a lot of money in gambling but it is not for everyone and no one should try it with the money that they cannot afford to lose.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

Most gamblers just want to have fun; winning is just a bonus for having fun. But if this is not the priority in gambling, for example, and he thinks that it is a way to make money, even if it is not really, this kind of gambler is not unlikely to become addicted to it.

But, as you said, there must be discipline or self-control in order to be a responsible gambler. And having a character like this can really help.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

I don't know whether they are gamblers or not, but I can't really confirm it, but looking at the people here in the gambling section, I conclude that 80% of them must have gambled and have experience in gambling.
It just that belief in opportunities and beliefs about income from gambling may be different for each person and for example, I believe in opportunities to win but will never believe in steady income from gambling.
I will always be skeptical of those who claim to be able to pursue or earn consistent income from gambling.
If there were people who could make consistent profits then they would be able to bet big money and become rich and I sure they would not be here because they have made all their wealth from gambling.

I believe in profits or opportunities to win from gambling but this is not about consistent income.
If we talk about making profit then just winning is already profit because only with bet that is smaller than the winnings, but that cannot be called consistent profit because after getting one win it is not certain that the gambler will be able to win again same time.
The conclusion is that profits, opportunities and wins are always there, but not necessarily so that you can enrich yourself.

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Quote from: Kelward on November 24, 2023, 07:45:59 AM

But saying that gambling can be relied on as a means of income is where I don't agree, because it is based on luck to win.

If you believe that gambling is solely based on luck, you have no reason to believe that one could consistently profit from it. Many people think that winning in gambling is purely a matter of luck. However, this is not the correct perspective for those who take gambling seriously. If we approach gambling with this mindset, it should come as no surprise if we end up losing more money than we win, as the advantage is not in our favor.

There are various forms of gambling, and when it comes to skill-based types, we have poker, blackjack, and sports betting, which is perhaps the most popular now. I believe we are familiar with individuals who have excelled in these areas.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

I believe that gambling can be profitable, there's no doubt about that, inasmuch as gamblers put money into it, surely some will gain. But saying that gambling can be relied on as a means of income is where I don't agree, because it is based on luck to win. I believe that anybody that depends on luck to survive is headed towards poverty, because luck in itself is not something that anybody that has responsibilities should rely on. Again if you do a study of gamblers who win, compered to those who lose, you'll find out that the losers are far more greater than the winners, so with this facts, gambling can not be seeing as a reliable source of income.

It's true that gamblers can make money from bets and games, but it'll be a mistake to rely on the winnings to make ends meet, because loses are greater than winnings in the long run.

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