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Quote from: Fredomago on December 17, 2023, 12:38:09 PM

They can accept and not dwelling with their losses, instead they will try to re-assess and see if what adjsutment they needed to make their strategy works well for them, an expereineced gamblers most of the time knew that if they will push for more while in the losing streak they will just continue messing with their bankroll.

It's better to call for the day and forget about it, there's always a new day and a new session that they can try it again and who knows if luck will permit they can recover it little by little.

Experienced gamblers will not try harder at gambling because they know that it will only cost them more money. They will try gambling again on another day to see if their strategy can work and if it doesn't work, they will decide to try again on another day. They will adjust their strategy to the conditions on that day and only force themselves to look at other strategies if circumstances allow it.

They know how to behave when gambling. They also do not try to recover their losses due to errors in their strategy so they will just end their gambling game that day. They may not try gambling for a few days to think about other things that might be successful in the next gambling game.

That's true, I have been gambling for over a decade now and I can say that when I start to lose, I just leave and do not really do anything about it. I get that it may feel like there isn't really anything that we could do about it, but that doesn't mean that we are not going to do it at all, we are going to have some hard time.

I personally believe that the best thing to do in this case would be something that may end up helping everyone all the same. I know that it is not going to be that easy, and I know that stopping is the hardest part of gambling, but that's just fine, we need to just arrange something that should benefit everyone all the same. I get that it is going to be quite difficult to handle, and we need to end up with a troublesome issue if we are not careful.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 18, 2023, 06:02:53 AM

They know how to behave when gambling. They also do not try to recover their losses due to errors in their strategy so they will just end their gambling game that day. They may not try gambling for a few days to think about other things that might be successful in the next gambling game.

I wish it's that easy. We stop now and try to evaluate our mistakes then come up with a new strategy and see if it work, that's what we do gamblers, most of us especially if we are playing on games that are skilled based, but do we really succeed? Answer is very obvious, no, most of us failed because choosing a winning bet is not the only key to succeed, there are also other factors that needs to be considered, and that includes a bankroll, yes, setting up a realistic bankroll is very important.

About bankroll, if we were able to set up a decent bankroll, the most challenging part is on how to manage it. If we are weak in controlling our emotion, that would lead to early wiping out of your money, you know, when you double and try to chase your losses, it usually end up losing everything.

Indeed, picking a winning bet isnt everything. Why? Because gaming is complex. We need financial management, emotional control, and strategic planning. Each is crucial to success or failure.

Bankroll is about management, not just amount. A large bankroll can swiftly disappear without discipline and foresight. This leads to emotional control. Without this talent, one may make hasty decisions like chasing losses. These behaviors quickly deplete finances.

Therefore, a holistic approach is vital, not just the strategy. We require competence, emotional intelligence, and financial prudence. Only then can we succeed in unpredictable gambling.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 18, 2023, 06:02:53 AM

They know how to behave when gambling. They also do not try to recover their losses due to errors in their strategy so they will just end their gambling game that day. They may not try gambling for a few days to think about other things that might be successful in the next gambling game.

I wish it's that easy. We stop now and try to evaluate our mistakes then come up with a new strategy and see if it work, that's what we do gamblers, most of us especially if we are playing on games that are skilled based, but do we really succeed? Answer is very obvious, no, most of us failed because choosing a winning bet is not the only key to succeed, there are also other factors that needs to be considered, and that includes a bankroll, yes, setting up a realistic bankroll is very important.

About bankroll, if we were able to set up a decent bankroll, the most challenging part is on how to manage it. If we are weak in controlling our emotion, that would lead to early wiping out of your money, you know, when you double and try to chase your losses, it usually end up losing everything.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 18, 2023, 06:02:53 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 17, 2023, 12:38:09 PM

They can accept and not dwelling with their losses, instead they will try to re-assess and see if what adjsutment they needed to make their strategy works well for them, an expereineced gamblers most of the time knew that if they will push for more while in the losing streak they will just continue messing with their bankroll.

It's better to call for the day and forget about it, there's always a new day and a new session that they can try it again and who knows if luck will permit they can recover it little by little.

Experienced gamblers will not try harder at gambling because they know that it will only cost them more money. They will try gambling again on another day to see if their strategy can work and if it doesn't work, they will decide to try again on another day. They will adjust their strategy to the conditions on that day and only force themselves to look at other strategies if circumstances allow it.

They know how to behave when gambling. They also do not try to recover their losses due to errors in their strategy so they will just end their gambling game that day. They may not try gambling for a few days to think about other things that might be successful in the next gambling game.

They are smart enough to know when to act and when not to. To do better, you need to try smarter, not harder. The pros are different from the beginners in this way. Losses aren't chased; they're looked at. Like a surgeon, they look at their plans and try to figure out what went wrong and what could be done better. This isn't just gaming; it's a race in your mind. The really important thing is that taking breaks and rethinking tactics is not only smart, it's necessary. They aren't just leaving; they are reloading and readjusting. They don't just want to win when they come back; they have a better plan. The thrill, the rush, and the task of beating the game and themselves are what it's all about

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 17, 2023, 12:38:09 PM

They can accept and not dwelling with their losses, instead they will try to re-assess and see if what adjsutment they needed to make their strategy works well for them, an expereineced gamblers most of the time knew that if they will push for more while in the losing streak they will just continue messing with their bankroll.

It's better to call for the day and forget about it, there's always a new day and a new session that they can try it again and who knows if luck will permit they can recover it little by little.

You have well mentioned the difference between gamblers who have more winning than those on losing streak. To have a win you have to be a master of your emotions and understand that winning is real and losing is real so that when you are losing you don't have to think it is all wrong to lose and you start chasing back the loses. To chase loses is the reason for major failure in gambling but if you have that mindset of losing, you are sure to take it in good faith and look up to new opportunities.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 17, 2023, 12:38:09 PM

They can accept and not dwelling with their losses, instead they will try to re-assess and see if what adjsutment they needed to make their strategy works well for them, an expereineced gamblers most of the time knew that if they will push for more while in the losing streak they will just continue messing with their bankroll.

It's better to call for the day and forget about it, there's always a new day and a new session that they can try it again and who knows if luck will permit they can recover it little by little.

Experienced gamblers will not try harder at gambling because they know that it will only cost them more money. They will try gambling again on another day to see if their strategy can work and if it doesn't work, they will decide to try again on another day. They will adjust their strategy to the conditions on that day and only force themselves to look at other strategies if circumstances allow it.

They know how to behave when gambling. They also do not try to recover their losses due to errors in their strategy so they will just end their gambling game that day. They may not try gambling for a few days to think about other things that might be successful in the next gambling game.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 17, 2023, 09:24:27 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 16, 2023, 03:33:34 PM

Winning is not easy indeed, but with the right set of strategy and control of your bankroll it might happen, there are pro gamblers who manage to win and capable to repeat that same outcome, but for sure they also have some bad runs and they also lose along the way, what is good from them is they know when to stop and they will not exceed on it knowing that it will ruin everything.

Accept your losing session and move forward, try not to chase your losses during that session but instead, stop and re-assess your strategy then try to adjust to make it effective and allow you to win and recover little by little.

Yes, a professional gamblers, they can win from gambling compared to most gamblers. They have many things that most gamblers don't have, including better strategy and self-control so they can win. They also know when to stop gambling for a while so they can reduce the risk of losing money from gambling.

They can accept loss and will not pursue it because they know it will cost them even more money. They also know that after winning, they must immediately stop to reduce their emotions and tension. They will not chase wins anymore because that is also something that is not easy to obtain.

They can accept and not dwelling with their losses, instead they will try to re-assess and see if what adjsutment they needed to make their strategy works well for them, an expereineced gamblers most of the time knew that if they will push for more while in the losing streak they will just continue messing with their bankroll.

It's better to call for the day and forget about it, there's always a new day and a new session that they can try it again and who knows if luck will permit they can recover it little by little.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 16, 2023, 03:33:34 PM

Winning is not easy indeed, but with the right set of strategy and control of your bankroll it might happen, there are pro gamblers who manage to win and capable to repeat that same outcome, but for sure they also have some bad runs and they also lose along the way, what is good from them is they know when to stop and they will not exceed on it knowing that it will ruin everything.

Accept your losing session and move forward, try not to chase your losses during that session but instead, stop and re-assess your strategy then try to adjust to make it effective and allow you to win and recover little by little.

Yes, a professional gamblers, they can win from gambling compared to most gamblers. They have many things that most gamblers don't have, including better strategy and self-control so they can win. They also know when to stop gambling for a while so they can reduce the risk of losing money from gambling.

They can accept loss and will not pursue it because they know it will cost them even more money. They also know that after winning, they must immediately stop to reduce their emotions and tension. They will not chase wins anymore because that is also something that is not easy to obtain.

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Gambling is a double edged 2 sided bet, I mean there is a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing.

I don't seem to agree with you totally on this because the percentages are not exactly like this. 50-50 is only for games like dice, single bets and dual option games. The percentage is totally different for accumulators and sharply increase against winning as the number of accumulations increases.

So gambling is rarely 50% chance of winning and 50% chance of losing because the probability of losing is far higher and increases as the odds also increases. At some point, it is even safer to put the percentage of losing as high as 80%. This is why a good plan of action is needed to remain in profits. With a good plan in place, few winnings should be able to cover many loses and still ensure player is in profit.

Gambling as we know is designed to mostly favor the casino, so saying the chances of winning and loosing is the same is what I cannot agree with, if you check vry well the rates of losses is way more higher than the wins in the gambling world, which probs the ods of loosing is higher. The only way I believe that one can truly make more profits is to be on the receiving side, that is to own a casino yourself, that way you're sure of making steady income from gambling.

I agree that gambling moves between losing and winning and it is very difficult to accurately guarantee a win. This is why it is not right to ensure fixed income from the gambling platform in the world of gambling if luck is good just as winning is more profitable if a person becomes greedy and cannot control himself there will be more chances of losing than winning. High volatility games like gambling can lead to big wins but the wins are less frequent and the risk of losing is higher.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 16, 2023, 03:33:34 PM

Accept your losing session and move forward, try not to chase your losses during that session but instead, stop and re-assess your strategy then try to adjust to make it effective and allow you to win and recover little by little.

I still don't understand the way some gamblers could be having a consistent winnings when they are playing than loosing, the more they are after winning they are indirectly chasing after loss and the more they may be loosing again, how has it been easy on having a consistent winnings by gamblers, making money in gambling is beyond what one can plan for, I think it's more of luck than we can put in an efforts for its achievements.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 16, 2023, 03:33:34 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 16, 2023, 10:56:01 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on December 16, 2023, 07:15:06 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 15, 2023, 06:58:03 PM

As we all know lossing in gambling is way more frequent but it can be recovered by a single huge win.

That's not what I want to experience in gambling. With that kind of strategy, you rely so much on luck so you can win big and you'll be in profit, as for me, I like to enjoy a slow and consistent winning in gambling, but as what most people have shared, this doesn't happen to us, so I'm here trying to prove it's possible but only until I can show some proof.

Yes, getting slow wins is possible but it seems very difficult to get consistent wins. We know that winning is not easy so we don't need to hope too much to win. After all, we use gambling only as entertainment but if anyone continues to use gambling to make money, that is up to them and they have to bear the risk. But when we want to recover from defeat, we must realize it will be even more difficult because winning one game or match is not easy. So it's best to avoid trying to get consistent wins because it will be challenging. We should just enjoy the gambling game so we won't get frustrated if we lose.

Winning is not easy indeed, but with the right set of strategy and control of your bankroll it might happen, there are pro gamblers who manage to win and capable to repeat that same outcome, but for sure they also have some bad runs and they also lose along the way, what is good from them is they know when to stop and they will not exceed on it knowing that it will ruin everything.

Accept your losing session and move forward, try not to chase your losses during that session but instead, stop and re-assess your strategy then try to adjust to make it effective and allow you to win and recover little by little.

Chances or odds on winning in gambling would really be that definitely on what kind of type of gambling you are really that dealing with on which it cant really be that possible that you would really be able to take advantage or increasing out that odds of winning specially on luck based ones but totally relevant when you are dealing with strategic games on which it is something that could make things possible if you are really that mindful about these things and do know on what you are doing. Constant winning is something that being too delusional when it comes to gambling aspect.
If you do have this kind of mindset and thinking then you are just basically putting up yourself on such big trouble when it comes to finances considering that you would really be losing up that
much because of those false hopes.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 16, 2023, 10:56:01 AM

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 15, 2023, 06:58:03 PM

As we all know lossing in gambling is way more frequent but it can be recovered by a single huge win.

That's not what I want to experience in gambling. With that kind of strategy, you rely so much on luck so you can win big and you'll be in profit, as for me, I like to enjoy a slow and consistent winning in gambling, but as what most people have shared, this doesn't happen to us, so I'm here trying to prove it's possible but only until I can show some proof.

Yes, getting slow wins is possible but it seems very difficult to get consistent wins. We know that winning is not easy so we don't need to hope too much to win. After all, we use gambling only as entertainment but if anyone continues to use gambling to make money, that is up to them and they have to bear the risk. But when we want to recover from defeat, we must realize it will be even more difficult because winning one game or match is not easy. So it's best to avoid trying to get consistent wins because it will be challenging. We should just enjoy the gambling game so we won't get frustrated if we lose.

Winning is not easy indeed, but with the right set of strategy and control of your bankroll it might happen, there are pro gamblers who manage to win and capable to repeat that same outcome, but for sure they also have some bad runs and they also lose along the way, what is good from them is they know when to stop and they will not exceed on it knowing that it will ruin everything.

Accept your losing session and move forward, try not to chase your losses during that session but instead, stop and re-assess your strategy then try to adjust to make it effective and allow you to win and recover little by little.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2023, 03:27:59 AM

As you've read the thread title, I'll continue the explanation here, as it cannot accommodate additional text. I've come across numerous topics and posts where gamblers express disbelief in the idea of consistently making profit through gambling. It makes me question whether these individuals are truly involved in gambling or if they're posting without the real experiences and knowledge. Personally, I firmly believe that there are people who have achieved real success in gambling. What perplexes me is why many discourage gambling as a means of making money. Instead of outright saying no, they could guide gamblers with the right strategies on how to stay disciplined, enhance skills, minimize the risk of bankruptcy, and increase the chances of winning.

If you're someone who doesn't believe anyone can be profitable in gambling, you might as well consider yourself not welcome in this thread. I'm looking for people who maintain optimism about their chances in gambling so they can share valuable insights.

Now, let's hear your opinion. In 3...2...1... go!

I believe there are gamblers who are able to generate consistent income from gambling.
But the question is whether the amount of money he holds is enough to support the consistency of his game?
Most people hope to consistently win at gambling, then use the results to meet their living needs.
In my opinion, a consistent gambler is a gambler who has money specifically allocated for gambling, he will not use money for family needs and will not even use borrowed money.

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Quote from: slapper on December 16, 2023, 09:38:54 AM

It's important to keep in mind that gambling should not be a means to an end, but rather a pleasure. We are entering perilous territory the instant it becomes more than a game and less than a fun way to win large. Have you ever observed that experienced gamblers frequently have a cool, composed attitude? They understand that gambling is a journey rather than a sprint. Bankroll management is a lifeline, not just a tactic. It's critical to exercise strict financial discipline. Has the saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" ever occurred to you? That is relevant in this case. It's critical to diversify plays, establish clear boundaries, and stick to them. It's all about the long game, not about victories or loses in each session. Have you given any thought to establishing a win/loss cap for every session? It's a wise decision. You're not simply gambling by doing this; you're also planning. Making thoughtful decisions is important, not just winging it. Recall that knowing when to walk away is just as important as knowing when to play

If you seek to earn in gambling on a regular basis, you should not strive to do everything to get a big win. It is better to consistently get small winnings - it is through stability you can become a good player. Through stability develops a sense of confidence and calculation

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Quote from: Distinctin on December 16, 2023, 07:15:06 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 15, 2023, 06:58:03 PM

As we all know lossing in gambling is way more frequent but it can be recovered by a single huge win.

That's not what I want to experience in gambling. With that kind of strategy, you rely so much on luck so you can win big and you'll be in profit, as for me, I like to enjoy a slow and consistent winning in gambling, but as what most people have shared, this doesn't happen to us, so I'm here trying to prove it's possible but only until I can show some proof.

Yes, getting slow wins is possible but it seems very difficult to get consistent wins. We know that winning is not easy so we don't need to hope too much to win. After all, we use gambling only as entertainment but if anyone continues to use gambling to make money, that is up to them and they have to bear the risk. But when we want to recover from defeat, we must realize it will be even more difficult because winning one game or match is not easy. So it's best to avoid trying to get consistent wins because it will be challenging. We should just enjoy the gambling game so we won't get frustrated if we lose.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on December 15, 2023, 05:34:14 PM

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You are right, there are gamblers who have really won big in gambling and there are gamblers who have been successful but we will never know how much gambling capital they have spent gambling because gamblers tend to hide their total losses and they will show off low profits. However, my opinion is that successful gamblers have made high profits but they withdraw all the profits and still gamble within the limits of funds, they do not gamble on all types of gambling but focus on sports gambling that has been analyzed to have a high chance of winning, successful gamblers can also handle risk of loss and not force them to gamble if they feel hesitant to bet.

Yes, that makes sense. A different scenario would just keep him in the same situation, meaning he loses again after winning. There are gamblers who can win bets consistently, but I think the ratio is 1:1000, if there is one. All skill-based betting categories have a higher chance of winning than others, but to win all bets consistently they require 100% luck.

And luck oftentimes can't be found around. So this means that it is impossible to win consistently in gambling. What is worse is that chance-based gambling solely rely on luck so we see people who are playing these chance-based games often deplete their bankroll and rarely wins huge amount of money. I believe the trigger point to be on the positive end on gambling is the ability to control ones self and bankroll.

As we all know lossing in gambling is way more frequent but it can be recovered by a single huge win. So controlling oneself and bankroll management is the key to keeping our gambling venture in the green side. Know when to stop is the key. If we feel luck is not on our side in our session, it is better call it a day than push things out. This way we can minimize losses while maintaining a healthy bankroll.

It's important to keep in mind that gambling should not be a means to an end, but rather a pleasure. We are entering perilous territory the instant it becomes more than a game and less than a fun way to win large. Have you ever observed that experienced gamblers frequently have a cool, composed attitude? They understand that gambling is a journey rather than a sprint. Bankroll management is a lifeline, not just a tactic. It's critical to exercise strict financial discipline. Has the saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" ever occurred to you? That is relevant in this case. It's critical to diversify plays, establish clear boundaries, and stick to them. It's all about the long game, not about victories or loses in each session. Have you given any thought to establishing a win/loss cap for every session? It's a wise decision. You're not simply gambling by doing this; you're also planning. Making thoughtful decisions is important, not just winging it. Recall that knowing when to walk away is just as important as knowing when to play

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 15, 2023, 06:58:03 PM

As we all know lossing in gambling is way more frequent but it can be recovered by a single huge win.

That's not what I want to experience in gambling. With that kind of strategy, you rely so much on luck so you can win big and you'll be in profit, as for me, I like to enjoy a slow and consistent winning in gambling, but as what most people have shared, this doesn't happen to us, so I'm here trying to prove it's possible but only until I can show some proof.

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 15, 2023, 06:58:03 PM

So controlling oneself and bankroll management is the key to keeping our gambling venture in the green side. Know when to stop is the key. If we feel luck is not on our side in our session, it is better call it a day than push things out. This way we can minimize losses while maintaining a healthy bankroll.

Green side means profit for you? Well, bankroll management alone could not help, there's a lot more to consider particularly on being smart in choosing your bet, and of course choosing the right game for you.

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Quote from: Falconer on December 15, 2023, 05:51:52 PM

Quote from: erep on December 15, 2023, 05:47:20 PM

Quote from: Sanugarid on December 15, 2023, 05:34:14 PM

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You are right, there are gamblers who have really won big in gambling and there are gamblers who have been successful but we will never know how much gambling capital they have spent gambling because gamblers tend to hide their total losses and they will show off low profits. However, my opinion is that successful gamblers have made high profits but they withdraw all the profits and still gamble within the limits of funds, they do not gamble on all types of gambling but focus on sports gambling that has been analyzed to have a high chance of winning, successful gamblers can also handle risk of loss and not force them to gamble if they feel hesitant to bet.

Yes, that makes sense. A different scenario would just keep him in the same situation, meaning he loses again after winning. There are gamblers who can win bets consistently, but I think the ratio is 1:1000, if there is one. All skill-based betting categories have a higher chance of winning than others, but to win all bets consistently they require 100% luck.

And luck oftentimes can't be found around. So this means that it is impossible to win consistently in gambling. What is worse is that chance-based gambling solely rely on luck so we see people who are playing these chance-based games often deplete their bankroll and rarely wins huge amount of money. I believe the trigger point to be on the positive end on gambling is the ability to control ones self and bankroll.

As we all know lossing in gambling is way more frequent but it can be recovered by a single huge win. So controlling oneself and bankroll management is the key to keeping our gambling venture in the green side. Know when to stop is the key. If we feel luck is not on our side in our session, it is better call it a day than push things out. This way we can minimize losses while maintaining a healthy bankroll.

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Quote from: erep on December 15, 2023, 05:47:20 PM

Quote from: Sanugarid on December 15, 2023, 05:34:14 PM

I believe that someone really wins big in gambling, it's true. There are successful people and I can also say that I am one of them because even if the winnings are small, as long as you win in gambling and avoid losing big, I can say that you are successful in gambling. Experience will shape you, help you win.

You are right, there are gamblers who have really won big in gambling and there are gamblers who have been successful but we will never know how much gambling capital they have spent gambling because gamblers tend to hide their total losses and they will show off low profits. However, my opinion is that successful gamblers have made high profits but they withdraw all the profits and still gamble within the limits of funds, they do not gamble on all types of gambling but focus on sports gambling that has been analyzed to have a high chance of winning, successful gamblers can also handle risk of loss and not force them to gamble if they feel hesitant to bet.

What do you mean, people who are successful in gambling are those who know how to control themselves? It's not necessary to win a large amount of money.
Yes, that's it. Even if you win big in gambling, you won't be a success if you don't know how to control yourself. I have seen people win big and continue to gamble with all the money they just won. And they lost everything. They even borrow money to continue wanting to get back the money they lost. I also won, and I bet big again. The result is no different. Therefore, successful people in gambling are those who know how to stop at the right time, no matter whether you win or lose.

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Quote from: erep on December 15, 2023, 05:47:20 PM

Quote from: Sanugarid on December 15, 2023, 05:34:14 PM

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You are right, there are gamblers who have really won big in gambling and there are gamblers who have been successful but we will never know how much gambling capital they have spent gambling because gamblers tend to hide their total losses and they will show off low profits. However, my opinion is that successful gamblers have made high profits but they withdraw all the profits and still gamble within the limits of funds, they do not gamble on all types of gambling but focus on sports gambling that has been analyzed to have a high chance of winning, successful gamblers can also handle risk of loss and not force them to gamble if they feel hesitant to bet.

Yes, that makes sense. A different scenario would just keep him in the same situation, meaning he loses again after winning. There are gamblers who can win bets consistently, but I think the ratio is 1:1000, if there is one. All skill-based betting categories have a higher chance of winning than others, but to win all bets consistently they require 100% luck.

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