Finally we come back to the F1 races, after this long summer break, the sad part of all of this its.... yes we already know who its gonna be on pole, and win the race with a 95% of accuracy.
WE only can wait to have a good fight between drivers in 2º until 10º position.
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August 23, 2023, 10:24:35 AM
August 23, 2023, 08:05:38 AM
I can already see Max winning everything on Zandvoort. From practices to qualifiers and race , there is absolutely no one who could stop him on this track. Sure , we might see McLaren doing great again , we might see Ferrari bringing a bit more balance into that car even if they don't need to improve it anymore because there is no point to do that and we might see Aston Martin having a good race again after an absence of 4 race where they barely got a P5.
August 23, 2023, 07:13:09 AM
According to the source below Zak Brown says that McLaren has no big gaps to fill from now on. He thinks that they can go for titles with big infrastructure upgrades.
However I don't know about this. Because Red Bull are just insanely ahead of all the remaining teams. No matter how big upgrade a rival team brings Red Bull still manage to answer them strongly. It is about having a big budget in hand at the same time of course. But as far as I know McLaren is one of the rich teams now. They should use this money as effective as possible to get closer to Red Bull's level.
But I don't know if they can do this until the 2026 season where things will change a lot in the sport.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-has-no-more-big-holes-to-fix-as-it-targets-f1-titles-brown/10510193/
However I don't know about this. Because Red Bull are just insanely ahead of all the remaining teams. No matter how big upgrade a rival team brings Red Bull still manage to answer them strongly. It is about having a big budget in hand at the same time of course. But as far as I know McLaren is one of the rich teams now. They should use this money as effective as possible to get closer to Red Bull's level.
But I don't know if they can do this until the 2026 season where things will change a lot in the sport.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-has-no-more-big-holes-to-fix-as-it-targets-f1-titles-brown/10510193/
He prolly saw a technical loop hole they could exploit next year and on 2025.
Kidding... Yeah most of these guys like to promote and market their teams to keep people interested. And it's also good for team morale to stay positive. But who knows, they might know something that we don't. They have been looking good as of late. Anyway, here's the time table this weekend.
2023 F1 Dutch GP Schedule
Track: Circuit Zandvoort
Friday 25 August: Practice 1 12:30 - 13:30
Friday 25 August: Practice 2 16:00 - 17:00
Saturday 26 August: Practice 3 11:30 - 12:30
Saturday 26 August: Qualifying 15:00 - 16:00
Sunday 27 August: Race 15:00
August 23, 2023, 06:21:44 AM
Finally getting the race back again. F1 is starting up this weekend and it is going to be epic. After the big break, I am expecting teams to have some changes, we haven't heard any rumors about who is doing how but after big breaks there are usually changes in the cars.
Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone
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Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone
.I hope that we can see some top teams other than Red Bull bringing some solid upgrades to the Dutch GP. Because I have really missed a high level rivalry for winning races. Verstappen's domination makes things really boring in the championship. It is no different than Hamilton's dominant times with Mercedes. We don't see any team getting near Red Bull now either like Red Bull did it in the 2021 season and we watched an awesome competition until the end of the season.
I expect more from Ferrari especially. Bringing upgrades can make up for their mistakes with strategies more at least.
@emrecemsan Ferrari lost their competitive edge long time ago and year after year they kept misleading their fan’s that they have improved but honestly @FanEagle is right that Ferrari will continue to make mistakes. Lastly this is Verstappen era and currently I don’t see any other driver that can dethrone him unless his performances suddenly drop which I really doubt can ever happen.
August 23, 2023, 06:04:06 AM
According to the source below Zak Brown says that McLaren has no big gaps to fill from now on. He thinks that they can go for titles with big infrastructure upgrades.
However I don't know about this. Because Red Bull are just insanely ahead of all the remaining teams. No matter how big upgrade a rival team brings Red Bull still manage to answer them strongly. It is about having a big budget in hand at the same time of course. But as far as I know McLaren is one of the rich teams now. They should use this money as effective as possible to get closer to Red Bull's level.
But I don't know if they can do this until the 2026 season where things will change a lot in the sport.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-has-no-more-big-holes-to-fix-as-it-targets-f1-titles-brown/10510193/
However I don't know about this. Because Red Bull are just insanely ahead of all the remaining teams. No matter how big upgrade a rival team brings Red Bull still manage to answer them strongly. It is about having a big budget in hand at the same time of course. But as far as I know McLaren is one of the rich teams now. They should use this money as effective as possible to get closer to Red Bull's level.
But I don't know if they can do this until the 2026 season where things will change a lot in the sport.
Source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-has-no-more-big-holes-to-fix-as-it-targets-f1-titles-brown/10510193/
August 23, 2023, 02:36:45 AM
He has definitely matured during this season, the slips were definitely good for us, otherwise the season would have been as good as over. But I also read once that one or two crashes, Bagnaia and Ducati didn't know why. The Ducati factory team makes some changes every year, so it can happen that they don't quite understand one or the other yet.
Whenever Ducati makes a change, it is always tested and tested by their test riders on a predetermined schedule. Including Ducati also conducts closed tests when it wants to implement new changes for the following year, and now or for this season I see that Ducati has become more perfect so that other manufacturers still find it difficult to deal with it in almost all circuits. Although occasionally Aprilia can also take the opportunity to win races unexpectedly. 
August 22, 2023, 06:07:53 AM
I agree now.He has the best bike and if he rides well and become a conservative rider thinking only about winning the title and not risking in races
Yep, he was pretty dumb at the start of the season.
I think he slipped 3 times when he was in the top 2 positions so far, imagine he had 50 more points...
He has definitely matured during this season, the slips were definitely good for us, otherwise the season would have been as good as over. But I also read once that one or two crashes, Bagnaia and Ducati didn't know why. The Ducati factory team makes some changes every year, so it can happen that they don't quite understand one or the other yet.
August 22, 2023, 06:00:26 AM
Finally getting the race back again. F1 is starting up this weekend and it is going to be epic. After the big break, I am expecting teams to have some changes, we haven't heard any rumors about who is doing how but after big breaks there are usually changes in the cars.
Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone.
Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone
.I hope that we can see some top teams other than Red Bull bringing some solid upgrades to the Dutch GP. Because I have really missed a high level rivalry for winning races. Verstappen's domination makes things really boring in the championship. It is no different than Hamilton's dominant times with Mercedes. We don't see any team getting near Red Bull now either like Red Bull did it in the 2021 season and we watched an awesome competition until the end of the season.
I expect more from Ferrari especially. Bringing upgrades can make up for their mistakes with strategies more at least.
August 22, 2023, 05:15:57 AM
It almost became the constellation I would have guessed. I would have seen Vinales on the podium. But a good and great race with a beautiful backdrop in Austria. The next race is in Spain, where Ducati is usually not so strong.
The race in Austria last weekend was a race that really made Valentino Rossi happy because he immediately watched the race on the circuit with his own team who also got third place on the podium and Luca Marini also managed to finish the race in the top four. Apart from that, he is also happy because Bagnaia was able to win again there, so that the gap in points has increased in the temporary standings for now.
The next race will probably be even more fierce than the one in Austria because the Catalunya circuit also has very good character so that almost all riders will look more competitive when racing there. And I think that Ducati will also put up a stronger fight in Catalonia because Aprilia and KTM can make unexpected surprises there.
August 22, 2023, 12:24:28 AM
Finally getting the race back again. F1 is starting up this weekend and it is going to be epic. After the big break, I am expecting teams to have some changes, we haven't heard any rumors about who is doing how but after big breaks there are usually changes in the cars.
Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone.
Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone
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August 20, 2023, 03:56:45 PM
I agree now.He has the best bike and if he rides well and become a conservative rider thinking only about winning the title and not risking in races
Yep, he was pretty dumb at the start of the season.
I think he slipped 3 times when he was in the top 2 positions so far, imagine he had 50 more points...
August 20, 2023, 01:47:35 PM
Another win for Bagnaia, at this point, am pretty confident in saying that he can only lose this title.
I agree now.He has the best bike and if he rides well and become a conservative rider thinking only about winning the title and not risking in races we can clearly say that only he can lose this title.Yet when I remember how many crashes he had during these last 2 years I can also say without a doubt that he is not at all a conservative rider,he likes to win races and even when he does not need to race hard he goes and does just that he fights hard for victory.At this point since there is no real competition to him because he has the best bike I agree he is the only one to lose this title.
August 20, 2023, 01:38:22 PM
Another win for Bagnaia, at this point, am pretty confident in saying that he can only lose this title.
It almost became the constellation I would have guessed. I would have seen Vinales on the podium. But a good and great race with a beautiful backdrop in Austria. The next race is in Spain, where Ducati is usually not so strong.
August 20, 2023, 08:20:26 AM
Another win for Bagnaia, at this point, am pretty confident in saying that he can only lose this title.
August 20, 2023, 08:13:16 AM
I know he is extremely expensive but don't you think that having him as a rider can give that needed boost to KTM to come out as a winner,something they are in here in the MotoGP from sometime and so far they have not won any title,he as a rider if he harmonize himself well with the bike is one of the few of the riders that can give you the world title.Otherwise KTM will keep being a normal/mediocre brand in the MotoGP and this is worse even if you will save money compared to having a rider winning races for you.I am strongly in favor sometime now KTM gets a super nice rider and Marquez is the one.
Marquez wouldn't be bad for a factory team like KTM, but for now the team management is also looking at younger riders like Pedro Acosta who is currently still in Moto2. However, because the place for the KTM team itself is no longer available, this has forced KTM to discourage itself from recruiting other riders such as Marquez and Pedro Acosta because Brad Binder has also extended his contract with KTM until 2026. By the way, the race that just finished was also very good. with some intense competition from Marco Bezz and Luca Marini although neither were the winning riders today.
August 20, 2023, 06:39:35 AM
I'm Austrian and if I'm honest, I'm happy if Marquez doesn't come to KTM, for me personally he doesn't fit in with the team, and in terms of salary he's just too expensive.
I know he is extremely expensive but don't you think that having him as a rider can give that needed boost to KTM to come out as a winner,something they are in here in the MotoGP from sometime and so far they have not won any title,he as a rider if he harmonize himself well with the bike is one of the few of the riders that can give you the world title.Otherwise KTM will keep being a normal/mediocre brand in the MotoGP and this is worse even if you will save money compared to having a rider winning races for you.I am strongly in favor sometime now KTM gets a super nice rider and Marquez is the one.
August 20, 2023, 06:09:02 AM
Everything went right for Brad Binder and KTM in this race, if the race had probably lasted one more lap he wouldn't have been the winner. But the victory was still respectable.
Brad Binder is a rider that the rest of the riders still have to watch out for this season because he fits perfectly on the KTM bike and today he will definitely give everything to win considering that Austria is the home of the KTM factory. But from the WUP results that I saw today where the weather was quite sunny, it looks like today's race will be very fierce and even more fierce than yesterday's Sprint Race.most likely Bagnia will win this race if you see how his performance is in some races back. Bagnia has a good opportunity to be able to get the first pole in this race, especially since the performance of the motorbike is good and it seems that it is suitable for this Red Bull Ring circuit.
Bagnia already got pole in qualifying and it was not so difficult for him, but in today's race I think Bagnia will also be under some pressure from other riders even though Bagnia still has a chance to win because yesterday he also won the Sprint Race with pretty good. Soon we will witness a race for MotoGP because before that I really enjoyed racing Moto3 and also Moto2. August 19, 2023, 02:53:00 PM
Massa went through legal channels to ask for the world title which was illegally taken from him in 2008.
After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.
After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.
I've already been in favor of Felipe Massa once, but I admit this case is pretty complete and there's no easy answer. On the one hand, it is true that McLaren was caught manipulating the race, a clear contradiction of the rules, but it was not the first and not the last... there were other serious violations and the result of the competition was not annulled. On the other hand, Hamilton was also a brilliant driver who had an exceptional season, would it be fair to punish him with the withdrawal of that title when he was the most consistent driver of the season?
Certainly the FIA should, at the very least, have better considered some important factors before deciding whether or not to cancel this race, such as the seriousness of this violation of the rules by McLaren and the impact it had on the results of the season, in addition to Hamilton's performance throughout the season and also the impact of annulling his title.
Anyway... instead of debating this issue and trying to reach a fair and impartial decision, the FIA decided to take the easy way out and unfortunately left everything as it is. So, in my opinion I believe that Felipe Massa was very right to file a lawsuit against the FIA and I hope he wins! Is there any site accepting bets on top of that?
The FIA's ruling on that race is pretty questionable, though you're right. We can't dismiss the fact that Hamilton really did well during that season. Had it not been for his performance, the FIA could easily rectify this decision and go even with Massa by handing him the title years after it has been awarded. Idk what kind of legal action can come into play in a tournament held by a private organization. Whatever it is, I hope Massa gets what he deserves.
August 19, 2023, 09:22:12 AM
1 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Ducati Lenovo (GP23) 1'28.539s 7/8 312k
2 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +0.037s 6/8 314k
3 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.114s 6/8 313k
4 Jack Miller AUS Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.230s 6/8 312k
5 Alex Marquez SPA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +0.289s 8/8 313k
6 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +0.300s 7/8 313k
7 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +0.369s 9/9 314k
8 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +0.427s 6/8 313k
9 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.495s 8/8 313k
10 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP23) +0.574s 7/8 312k
11 Aleix Espargaro SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +0.706s 8/8 310k
12 Jorge Martin SPA Pramac Ducati (GP23) +1.828s 2/8 314k
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1033556/1/austrian-motogp-red-bull-ring-full-qualifying-results
Results for the sprint qualify, race is ongoing now.
2 Maverick Viñales SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +0.037s 6/8 314k
3 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.114s 6/8 313k
4 Jack Miller AUS Red Bull KTM (RC16) +0.230s 6/8 312k
5 Alex Marquez SPA Gresini Ducati (GP22) +0.289s 8/8 313k
6 Luca Marini ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +0.300s 7/8 313k
7 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22) +0.369s 9/9 314k
8 Miguel Oliveira POR RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22) +0.427s 6/8 313k
9 Fabio Quartararo FRA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) +0.495s 8/8 313k
10 Johann Zarco FRA Pramac Ducati (GP23) +0.574s 7/8 312k
11 Aleix Espargaro SPA Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23) +0.706s 8/8 310k
12 Jorge Martin SPA Pramac Ducati (GP23) +1.828s 2/8 314k
Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1033556/1/austrian-motogp-red-bull-ring-full-qualifying-results
Results for the sprint qualify, race is ongoing now.
most likely Bagnia will win this race if you see how his performance is in some races back. Bagnia has a good opportunity to be able to get the first pole in this race, especially since the performance of the motorbike is good and it seems that it is suitable for this Red Bull Ring circuit.
August 19, 2023, 08:40:48 AM
Yes, victory with slippery tires in rainy conditions must be considered extraordinary because Brad Binder was able to survive with these tires without having to change his motorbike at that time. In addition, the riders who tried to change their motorbikes at that time were also unable to win even though they were already wearing the tires that should have been when the rain started to flush the circuit.
Everything went right for Brad Binder and KTM in this race, if the race had probably lasted one more lap he wouldn't have been the winner. But the victory was still respectable.
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Your assumption might be correct, but from some news that has been circulating now that Marc Marquez also does not have a place at KTM after Dorna confirmed not to free up another place for the KTM team. So this makes KTM reluctant to care about other things except for himself at the moment and apart from that the contracts of the riders who are at KTM for now are still quite long.
I'm Austrian and if I'm honest, I'm happy if Marquez doesn't come to KTM, for me personally he doesn't fit in with the team, and in terms of salary he's just too expensive.
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